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Kevin Strootman
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Yes, cause he will never improve and develop, right?
As Escobar said.
Notice that I compared him to Carrick at Spurs. Carrick was a superb playmaker at Spurs, and showed more than a 'mere' DM. And (as I mentioned in Fellaini - Strootman thread), I watched Strootman with Netherlands NT. In their NT, they have Vd Vaart, Robben, and Sneijder as playmaker; thus Strootman's play is more restricted to cover the defence, circulating the ball, and make occasional forward run; which I can see a bit of Carrick (Spurs) in there (hence, the 'Carrick lite' comment). Good vision, comfortable with the ball, intelligent play and positioning, unselfish, and good long range shot.
I don't see how people can categorized him as a DM. He's more of a CM.
Although, we can infer from his captaincy, he's more a leader than Carrick (and a bit more 'dirty' too). And, for the quoted price (15m-20m), the options are limited.
I'm not convinced he actually exists.
It's funny, there hasn't really been much credible info on our interest in this guy, yet you just have this feeling it's inevitable he'll join us this summer. Having only seen him in a few games and one youtube compilation, my inner muppet can't really get excited about him.
I guess I'm one of the rare few people who have actually watched him play on this forum.
I really do think he'll be a hit at United, subject to him actually joining. A powerful box-to-box midfielder in my opinion. Maybe not so much of a Yaya Toure - but I've seen his bursting runs in the midfield and it shocked me how rapid he is considering his size.
Edit: Just realised he's actually "only" 6'1. Seemed to be taller than that, but clearly not.
Very rarely gets injured. I believe he was suspended once this season due to receiving 5 yellow cards - sometimes he can go into tackles quite aggressively but it isn't a common thing.
Left footer which is always nice to see. He can really hit a ball too, and his finishing is pretty damn good. I know his scoring record isn't prolific, but I think that's mainly due to the formation PSV use. He plays more of a Schweinsteiger role in a 4-2-3-1 formation for them, so it's understandable.
Decent passer of the ball. Can play a mean through ball when the break is on. Good touch too.
This is simply a year of watching him; on and off. Only reason I started watching him is because we were linked with him last Summer, and if I had a bet that included PSV and I nothing better to do I'd watch them play.
Not sure why he gets some stick off some on here. I think he's a very good player for his age. 23 is quite young for a center midfielder. I don't see this brought up a lot, but not only is he in the Dutch squad but he's also their vice-captain. Pretty fecking impressive for a 23 year old. Also captained PSV a couple of times I believe.
He's definitely a leader - and his game shows that. I said in some thread that he reminds of a midfield version of RVP. Strange thing to say, but they both seem to run the same way and their general technique seems quite similar. RVP obviously is better technically, but if RVP was a midfielder then I'd say his game would have been molded in the way Strootman plays. Just generally calm, but silky.
I really do think he'll be a hit at United, subject to him actually joining. A powerful box-to-box midfielder in my opinion. Maybe not so much of a Yaya Toure - but I've seen his bursting runs in the midfield and it shocked me how rapid he is considering his size.
Edit: Just realised he's actually "only" 6'1. Seemed to be taller than that, but clearly not.
Very rarely gets injured. I believe he was suspended once this season due to receiving 5 yellow cards - sometimes he can go into tackles quite aggressively but it isn't a common thing.
Left footer which is always nice to see. He can really hit a ball too, and his finishing is pretty damn good. I know his scoring record isn't prolific, but I think that's mainly due to the formation PSV use. He plays more of a Schweinsteiger role in a 4-2-3-1 formation for them, so it's understandable.
Decent passer of the ball. Can play a mean through ball when the break is on. Good touch too.
This is simply a year of watching him; on and off. Only reason I started watching him is because we were linked with him last Summer, and if I had a bet that included PSV and I nothing better to do I'd watch them play.
Not sure why he gets some stick off some on here. I think he's a very good player for his age. 23 is quite young for a center midfielder. I don't see this brought up a lot, but not only is he in the Dutch squad but he's also their vice-captain. Pretty fecking impressive for a 23 year old. Also captained PSV a couple of times I believe.
He's definitely a leader - and his game shows that. I said in some thread that he reminds of a midfield version of RVP. Strange thing to say, but they both seem to run the same way and their general technique seems quite similar. RVP obviously is better technically, but if RVP was a midfielder then I'd say his game would have been molded in the way Strootman plays. Just generally calm, but silky.
Sounds good!
If he's a Schweinsteiger type, do you think he'd be best off partnering Carrick, or as his back-up and eventual replacement? Bear in mind that unlike lots of clubs who have two fairly deep-sitting CMs, our options at #10 (Kagawa and Rooney) are not exactly midfielders, and are best when they don't have to drop deep too much. So if he partners Carrick, he'll need to be able to be the constantly-moving, link Carrick to Kagawa sort.
From your report and the two matches I've seen him in I'd be pleased if we got him, but not if he was the only midfielder we got.
If we got him and Thiago - which is not financially an unrealistic prospect, given Thiago's reduced buy-out fee - I'd be ecstatic, and consider our midfield very satisfactorily sorted.
From your report and the two matches I've seen him in I'd be pleased if we got him, but not if he was the only midfielder we got.
If we got him and Thiago - which is not financially an unrealistic prospect, given Thiago's reduced buy-out fee - I'd be ecstatic, and consider our midfield very satisfactorily sorted.
I'm not saying he's the "next bla bla", and the last thing I want to do is over-rate him and try to make him out to be the player that will take us to CL glory. I do think he's United material though. There's nothing at all to suggest he isn't. His credentials are there for all to see, and being captain at such an age really does portray something surely?
I forgot to mention that he's sometimes, very rarely, used on the "wing" in the middle 3 of a 4-3-3 formation. He's definitely versatile, and I'd say he'd be able to fit comfortably in a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3.
I forgot to mention that he's sometimes, very rarely, used on the "wing" in the middle 3 of a 4-3-3 formation. He's definitely versatile, and I'd say he'd be able to fit comfortably in a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3.
I'd say, if anything, he'd be better at partnering Carrick. Maybe in a few years when he's gathered a few more years of experience he could take over Carrick's role - but, as I said, he's only 23 which is still very young for a center midfielder. I'm always surprised to see how mobile he is. One moment he's just standing in the middle passing the ball along, and then suddenly his engine starts running and you just see him bombing towards goal. I'm a bit shocked to see that he's only 6'1 as I said above; but he really does glide past defenders/midfielders at times.
So yeah, I'd say within 3 years or so, you'd expect him to gather the experience needed to be a pretty established box-to-box midfielder. I'd imagine he'd always be a bit more of an attackive version of Carrick just because he likes joining in with the attack. To be fair though, he partnered Van Bommel this season so maybe that's why he had the "license to roam".
Admittedly I've mainly seen him via Youtube but I thought the exact same thing almost straight away. He has a similar posture and the way he carries his arms while dribbling is very RVP-esque.
I think it was the Gareth Barry comparisons that put people off.
Which were, to be fair, a complete misinterpretation of those comments. He was never compared except in the sense that 'if Barry can get in that team, Strootman certainly can'.
Yeah true.
I haven't seen too much of this lad, but I'd like him. He's a more sensible signing to Thiago. And I always like United to have Dutch players.
If anyone else types the name Gareth Barry in this thread I'll hunt you down and confiscate your license to practice muppetry.
Gareth Barry.
Gareth.
Barry.
Barry.
Gareth.
Right well when we sign him and he's shit, you're all to blame. Per Mertesacker could run through quick sand faster than Barry could run across a penalty area.
He can finish though, I'll give him that.
He can finish though, I'll give him that.
Shades of Kagawa vs Norwich with that finish.
Anyone think him and thiago would form a good partnership in midfield if we managed to get them both? Or would that be too attacking. I've seen less then 5 matches from him, and they weren't even all full games, but he seems like he has plenty of potential and is very good for his age, and he could replace Carrick (although we'd change our style obviously; different players). I feel like they have loads of potential to form a great partnership together, with kagawa in front of them.
Actually I'd be delighted if strootman and thiago were our only two summer signings.
Actually I'd be delighted if strootman and thiago were our only two summer signings.
Wait, you want to drop Carrick?!
I thought he was looking at it from the perspective of if Carrick got hurt or 3 years down the line, as both are a good bit younger than Carirck, would their styles mesh.
Ah, ok. Thank god.
Obviously this. He's not getting any younger really and we can't expect him to be as good as he was this year in another 2 years.
Hernandez-BFA's original post on Strootman is spot on. I haven't ever been massively impressed by him, and if there was a decent selection of available midfielders then I'm not sure he's united quality. But there's certainly a potential for a good player there, and he seems to read the game intelligently. Whenever I saw him for PSV he was hard to notice, but maybe that's because he was besides Van "Rolling Thunder" Bommel. If we sign him I trust we've scouted him extensively, and would definitely welcome his signing. Long term he's a definite Carrick replacement though, and we'd need to find another pure box-to-boxer.
Gareth Barry?
Seriously underrating this kid here.. he's more like Jordan Henderson
Seriously underrating this kid here.. he's more like Jordan Henderson
Betting suspended on him to United.
Probably SkyBet covering their arses. Their transfer markets would be far better if they had odds on the player not moving clubs.
How old is he?, I think 21. I think he fits our profile for buying players very well. I would love to see him at Utd.
He's 23, and known as a box-to-box midfielder. He's scored an average of a goal every seven games for PSV. Should we be concerned that he's only getting an average of 40 games a season for them, or is that fairly standard in the Netherlands?
Can he defend?
edit: More specfically; Tackle - and close 1 on 1 and make challenges and/or hack opponents regardless?
edit: More specfically; Tackle - and close 1 on 1 and make challenges and/or hack opponents regardless?
The eredivisie season is 34 games so 40 games a season for a side not among Europe's elite is very good going.
The days of tackling as we knew it 20 years ago have changed. More important is the ability to deny space and shut down opponents and force errors.
Defending no longer means a crunching tackle.
Defending now means 'actually completing a tackle and winning the ball with the least force possible and the least position available for the oponent to milk a free kick and/or dive'.
Side note - saw a documentary on the Liverpool vs Wimbeldon final on the weekend. Hilarious Jones tackle in the first 3 minutes that is just a straight red 10 match ban thse days.
But basically yeah, is he known as an excellent defender? If so then bring it on. Carrick needs this as he begins the twilight of his career.
Side note - saw a documentary on the Liverpool vs Wimbeldon final on the weekend. Hilarious Jones tackle in the first 3 minutes that is just a straight red 10 match ban thse days.
But basically yeah, is he known as an excellent defender? If so then bring it on. Carrick needs this as he begins the twilight of his career.
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