Kevin Pietersen
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Good man.
Freddie had another set-back today, would probably be for the best if he just retired now and went into commentating and drinking full time.
Have they said whether he'll play in the game tomorrow, I see that as being unlikely as it's a three day game
Exactly, he should never have been picked for this test against Pakistan.
Should be playing for his county to get his form and confidence back.
From what I gathered he's out.
He and his county are having some kind of lovers tiff at the moment aren't they?
I don't even recall any posts by you Zong. You may as well not exist. . . Hang on, you're that Chelsea fan, aren't you?
Sorry for hurting your feelings, though.
xxxxx
They sure are
He announced he was leaving Hampshire at the end of the season
They aren't playing him in 1st XI games, understandably
I believe they said he could play a 2nd XI game, and he declined, whether that was wise or not, I don't know, is playing 2nd XI cricket a valuable way of preparing for international cricket against a decent seam bowling unit in favourable conditions
The captaincy + peter moores thing and then the injury really has set him back big time. It's really weird, he is such a brash, in your face, confident guy, but now is struggling to back himself.
To me(I am no big expert) he is thinking too much at the crease, instead of being his typical see it, and hit it self
To me(I am no big expert) he is thinking too much at the crease, instead of being his typical see it, and hit it self
Possibly the worst comeback you could've come up with. It was so shit I slightly laughed at how pathetic it was. Cringe-inducing.
Warne after Pathan's century for Rajasthan Royals "I have seen some great innings by Sachin over the years, but this is the best innings I've ever seen in cricket."
Warne also had Darren Lehmann over quite a few other cricketing greats in a list of top 50 players he's played against/with.
Warne talks a fair bit of bullshit. Very good commentator, but I don't think he always says what he thinks.
Come on you can do better than that. . .
Agreed also his wife has just had a baby and Hampshire did refuse to play him before this series aswell so it has to affect him.
Read this -
And then this -
Now granted that I don't follow cricket much anymore, but yes, he does strike me exactly the kind of man who'd say things that he doesn't mean. The guy was a fantastic player, quite possibly the best bowler of all times, but as a person, he's retarded.
Match fixing, drug taking, cheating on his wife, vulgar sledging, fighting with, and undermining his own team-mates and umpires - you name it, he's done it. So don't paint him as a saint just to prove that "KP" is a great player, as him and "KP" are the best of pals.
I don't think there's a single player in that list who is not a better player than him by miles (some by light years).
I have. I could name 50 batsmen who "KP" is not fit enough to lace the boots of.
He's half a decent player, a big fish in a small pond, and is regularly found out outside of England. Or even in England when the top teams tour.
You quoted the wrong person, i didnt say the above it was another poster.
Fair enough you dont rate KP thats obvious, but plenty of players currently playing and former legends (Botham/Warne to name 2) rate him as one of the best around and i think their decent history in the game tends to suggest they know what their talking about.
'Half decent players' dont average 49 in test match cricket nor do they score 16 test hundreds (including tons against every major playing nation home and abroad) in their first 50 test matches, Pietersens average at this stage of his carear is superior to a certain Ricky Pontings at the same stage.
KP has scored hundreds against all opponents in all conditions, his record speaks for itself, hes a world class batsman in poor form, it happens.
Fair enough you dont rate KP thats obvious, but plenty of players currently playing and former legends (Botham/Warne to name 2) rate him as one of the best around and i think their decent history in the game tends to suggest they know what their talking about.
'Half decent players' dont average 49 in test match cricket nor do they score 16 test hundreds (including tons against every major playing nation home and abroad) in their first 50 test matches, Pietersens average at this stage of his carear is superior to a certain Ricky Pontings at the same stage.
KP has scored hundreds against all opponents in all conditions, his record speaks for itself, hes a world class batsman in poor form, it happens.
Agree with all that, except the bit about 'this stage of the career'.. how old was Ponting when he'd played as many tests? Pietersen's 30 now..
His game's built on power(with technique) and he's not going to last as long as Dravid, Ponting or Sachin who're different sort of players.
I think Pietersen's going to end his career a very good player who could've been a lot more.
His game's built on power(with technique) and he's not going to last as long as Dravid, Ponting or Sachin who're different sort of players.
I think Pietersen's going to end his career a very good player who could've been a lot more.
One is an English legend, and the other is his best friend.
And look at those world class averages. He should thank Bangladesh and the West Indies for the fact that he has an average of 50.
Not to mention that he has a strike rate of 87 in ODIs. Hardly destructive, let alone one of the most destructive batsman of all times.
I don't know if that Afridi guy is still playing, now he is destructive. Him, that fat Indian opener, Gayle, Klusener, Jayasurya, they are destructive.
One is an English legend, and the other is his best friend.
Plus look at those world class averages. He should thank Bangladesh and the West Indies for the fact that he has an average of 50.
Be fair and post the lot
Why did you leave out the last Australian Ashes, where he averaged just 54 against a side in irresistible form whitewashing England in the process?
Because I was talking about the part of his post where he said that "KP" has a test century in every major test playing country?
But then you made the comment "He should thank Bangladesh and the West Indies for the fact that he has an average of 50", which has nothing to do with that. And is a ridiculous put down of such a fantastic player, especially when he's proved himself away against the best
I'm really sorry about that, it was a mistake. He doesn't even have an average of 50.
Am I missing something? Take out the West Indies and Bangladesh, and his average drops by 3.
Is an average of 45 and 13 centuries at an age of 31 really that fantastic?
One is an English legend, and the other is his best friend.
And look at those world class averages. He should thank Bangladesh and the West Indies for the fact that he has an average of 50.
Not to mention that he has a strike rate of 87 in ODIs. Hardly destructive, let alone one of the most destructive batsman of all times.
I don't know if that Afridi guy is still playing, now he is destructive. Him, that fat Indian opener, Gayle, Klusener, Jayasurya, they are destructive.
Tons as in hundreds scored, he has scored hundreds in every major test country in the world, half decent players dont do that.
I know, and he hasn't, in South Africa and Sri Lanka, like shown in that image. He doesn't have one in Bangladesh either.
I'm really sorry about that, it was a mistake. He doesn't even have an average of 50.
Am I missing something? Take out the West Indies and Bangladesh, and his average drops by 3.
Is an average of 45 and 16 centuries at an age of 31 really that fantastic?
How many batsman in the history of test match cricket scored 16 test hundreds after 51 test matches? what me to tell you? it wont take long...
As for his age, hardly his fault he started playing test cricket at the age of 25, hes been in the game 5 years and racked up over 5 thousand runs and 16 centuries, how many other players can boast superior records?
As for rubbishing the opinions of 2 of the greatest ever players in the history of the game i think that says it all, Bothams never had a problem in rubbishing players he didnt think were good enough anyone whos watched cricket over any length of time knows this and Warnes as blunt speaking on the game as they come, you should read his views on former Ozzie coach John Bucanen and captain Steve Waugh.
Like I said - fighting with, and undermining his own team mates.
He has those opinions because they didn't make him vice-captain when Waugh was promoted to the captaincy.
I'm really sorry about that, it was a mistake. He doesn't even have an average of 50.
Am I missing something? Take out the West Indies and Bangladesh, and his average drops by 3.
Is an average of 45 and 13 centuries at an age of 31 really that fantastic?
Why are we taking out the West Indies? Ignore Bangladesh sure, although everyone's stats are inflated against them
Any accusations of being a flat track bully are scuppred by his Australia figures alone
He's going through a relatively long poor spell, and he's still under just below 50 average, says it all really. The criticism he gets is mental. So often from the English press too, he'll top score, get out to a loose shot because that's the way he plays, and they're all over him. All the while you have the likes of Cook doing feck all with the bat consistently, but they escape the criticism because they talk a good game off the field
That graphic says he has scored multiple hundreds against all cricket nations baring minnows Bangladesh.
You said home and abroad. He doesn't have one IN South Africa, or Sri Lanka (or Bangladesh).
Apologies i misunderstood, still hes only played 1 test series in South Africa and that was straight off the back of 6 months out with an Achilles tendon injury, is that really hard to understand why he was off his game during that series? He does have multiple one day hundreds in South Africa so it proves hes capable of scoring big runs in their conditions.
Pietersens scored 5k runs in 5 years in the game averaging over 50 for 99% of it, in all probability he’ll end his England carear with over 10 thousand test runs and and with it statistically go down as the best batsman in English test match history, I don’t see how a man with the records Piertersen has can be described as a ‘half decent player’? also the fact he averages over 50 against what was at the time the strongest cricketing nation in the world kind of gives the impression hes a big match player and far from a flat track bully, when England were getting pumped 5-0 down under KP was averaging 54 against an attack of Warne, Mcgrath,Lee and Clark….
And theres a reason why, despite being great players, they all have low-ish averages, Pietersen's role in the ODI team is to carry the innings, not start it off fast or give it the final flurry. Compare him to players who play in the same role yeah? Let's be fair here. Viv's was 90, Sachin's about 86....so he's in pretty decent company here with the strikerate and avarage.
It's also a bit stupid to use the classic jobber nation argument, pretty much EVERY batsmen average goes down 2/3 when you take out the likes of Bangladesh/Zimbabwe and West Indies(or whoever's going through a bad patch). Obviously they'll be some exceptions. And again, for the first few years KP went out there being the MAN in the team, he legit carried to the attack for a good 2 or so years, he was the one the opposition wanted most, with all these others you can name Ponting, Tendulkar, Kallis, Jayawardene, Yousuf etc etc, they all played consistently with better batsmen than Pietersen ever has, and that I guarantee makes a difference, put Pietersen in at number 4 in Australia or his native South Africa for the past 6 years and he'd be averaging 55 or so. Even Lara had a superb running mate in Chanderpaul. Who's Pietersen has mostly, Bell and Collingwood.
I don't, nor do I think I ever will rank Pietersen in with the true greats, but I think he is a great batsmen, and I fully expect him to find his form again, christ he's 30, he has a decent 3-4 years at his top left, and hopefully those years will be a with a better all-round team that won't collapse to injuries/stupid illness hopefully.
If he does that, we'll talk about it then. To call him one of the most destructive and finest batsman of all time now, is absurd. Even if he does get 10,000 runs at an average of 50, it's not a huge deal, 10s of players have it, many more will have it by the time he gets there.
Why do you bring up one series again and again? One series is not the be all and end all of a player's career.
Maybe I'm being too harsh on him, but he certainly is not one of the top 50 batsmen in history right now.
I haven’t once said hes one of the finest batsmen of all time have i, i have however said hes a world class player whose out of form, nothing about being one of the most destructive of all time or anything along those lines, that’s all subjective and comes down to personal opinion, what isn’t personal opinion is his record, that’s undeniable facts in black and white, and up to now hes had a great career with the bat.
As for the Aussie series, again that was the first time i mentioned it, and the reason i did was because that was to date i believe the hardest series any Englishmen could have, touring Australia against THAT Australian side in an ashes series is the truest test of character and ability, to average a tick under 55 (in a 5 zilch hammering) against a bowling attack that included 2 of the all time greatest ever bowlers in their home conditions shows how good Pietersen is, Warne and Mcgrath between them have over 12 hundred test wickets!
Form temporary class permanent and all that.
I wasn't talking about you, lovely. xoxo
feck! Don't let my dad hear you say that...
Compton, Hutton, Hammond...
Dennis Compton is the reason, I realised, that my dad supports Arse. He used to go and watch him at Highbury in the 50s.
I wouldn't even mention Pietersen's name in the same breath as them...although in reality that's exactly what I have just done...
Alright, so a lot of batsmen failed in the England 1st innings (apart from a notable 2 of course) but out first ball...
Right laddie, let's get a few things straight here. To start with, what gauge are you using to define your top 50 ever batsmen? The game has changed in many ways since the glory days of batsmen such as Bradman, Hutton, Sobers, Richards, Pollock, Gavaskar et al clubbing non expert bowlers to all parts at a run a ball. In terms of his contemporaries (which is the only fecking gauge that you can use) he is right up there with the very best in the modern game. Only for lapses of mental concentration and the weight of expectancy being placed on his shoulders by the entire cricketing world, KP would averaging 60. Statistics mean feck all. Look at footballing greats such as Cruyff, Zico and Klinsmann. No off them ever scored as many goals in a season as Mick Quinn or Clive Allen. So using your statistical gauge Quinn and Allen should be regarded as above them in the all time greats.
I'd stick to posting massive shit gifs of mobile phones if I was you.
:unclejunior: indeed.
Completely disagree with that. Kevin Pietersen alongside players like Sachin, Lara, Ponting, Dravid, etc? Ridiculous.
Yes, up there with the very best of his contemporaries. You've mentioned some great batsmen. Would you care to enlarge on the etc.
I think you're missing the point I was making zing. Ok, it maybe subject to interpretation who this era's best batsmen are. But KP ranks right up. To state that he is an average batsman and base his ability in terms of runs scored just isn't good enough.
^^ This fecked me off by UJ. It's like saying he's not even in the top 50. Is Dravid really still regarded as a better batsman than KP? I'm talking in the last few years? He seemed to score a hell of a lot more runs when he still had the keepers gloves imo. As great a batsman the little maestro is, it would be interesting to see how his run stats stacked up on the sub-continent and off it. KP will rise from this slump in scores and prove both you and UJ to be very, very wrong.
Not doing yourself too many favours with the tendulkar comparison.
His stats are out of this world...flat track bully...easy matches..none of these stick to him
Home -
matches - 74
runs - 6018
average - 55.72
centuries - 21
fifties - 24
Highest score - 217
Away -
matches - 95
runs - 7819
average - 56.25
centuries - 27
fifties - 32
highest score - 248*
This when he just got out for a first ball duck!
Oh dear!
I'm assuming that by "the little maestro", you mean Sachin Tendulkar? Here are his stats from outside the subcontinent (filtered) -
You really didn't compare "KP" to Dravid, Sachin etc, did you?
Stick to Skype/clique/sellotape/Xbox/etc.