Kevin De Bruyne

He was unplayable at the start of the season. Hasn't quite performed the same, from what I've seen, but I guess it'd be hard to keep up that level of performance.

Definitely feel he suits a 4231, as attacking midfielder, rather than a centre midfielder in a 4141, though.
 
Should be playing in the middle of the park, don't know if he is today?

He is but in my opinion far too deep, and doesn't look like he is playing free either, he should always be playing free and allowed to roam and find his own space, it might change in the second half but he looks like he is being kept in position.
 
He was unplayable at the start of the season. Hasn't quite performed the same, from what I've seen, but I guess it'd be hard to keep up that level of performance.

Definitely feel he suits a 4231, as attacking midfielder, rather than a centre midfielder in a 4141, though.

I agree, I think that's the best way to utilise him.
 
He's not creating as much playing deeper but he's doing well playing as a CM. Working much harder defensively too.
 
He is an offensive-minded player with power and should be playing more in the final third.
 
He was unplayable at the start of the season. Hasn't quite performed the same, from what I've seen, but I guess it'd be hard to keep up that level of performance.

Definitely feel he suits a 4231, as attacking midfielder, rather than a centre midfielder in a 4141, though.
100%. He is for me the most talented natural footballer in this side, and he showcases it most when he's playing just behind the strikers. He's suffering because Pep is forcing Silva and De Bruyne into the side alongside each other, which given the alternatives is probably the right thing to do at this stage, but over time given their ages you'd expect the team to be built around De Bruyne.

They talk about Jesus, Sane and Sterling being the future. But at 25 it's De Bruyne sat behind these front 3 that will really take it to a level hard to easily replicate as a front line. You have to build this team around him in the next few years, he's that good.
 
100%. He is for me the most talented natural footballer in this side, and he showcases it most when he's playing just behind the strikers. He's suffering because Pep is forcing Silva and De Bruyne into the side alongside each other, which given the alternatives is probably the right thing to do at this stage, but over time given their ages you'd expect the team to be built around De Bruyne.

They talk about Jesus, Sane and Sterling being the future. But at 25 it's De Bruyne sat behind these front 3 that will really take it to a level hard to easily replicate as a front line. You have to build this team around him in the next few years, he's that good.

Pep loves a three man midfield. He loves to dominate the midfield, and a three helps him to do that.

Maybe he should move towards more of his formation at Barca, with De Bruyne playing the 'Iniesta role', whilst having a player who dictates the game like Xavi did. Maybe Gudogan?

Something like:

Sane Jesus Sterling
De Bruyne Gundogan
Fernandinho
That way, De Bruyne can focus on playing in between the lines and getting into dangerous areas where he can be a threat.
 
Underrated IMO from what I've seen although it's not much so I may be wrong. I watched a few games mostly when he played in bundesliga and CL. He'd go straight in to every starting eleven except maybe Barca with those players they have at the moment.
 
He’s a really good player when he’s in the mood, but I’d never want such a soft player at United. City’s Özil tonight.
 
I thought he was excellent in the last 20-25 mins. Got the ball a lot more and picked out some gorgeous passes. Overall, didn't do enough, though.
 
Another case of player playing out of position and suffering? He's clearly extremely talented but has been well below par since October.
 
I'm a big fan but I think he was terrible today. I don't think Pep's formation suits him at all, but that doesn't stop him making simple 5 yard passes and showing some impetus when pressed/needing to press to recover the ball.
 
Just another fair weather player. The majority of his statistical output is from home games and he simply doesn't do enough in away games. The modern Belgian footballer: shiny but still a bottler.
 
He was the main reason City started to play in the second half, yes he had those two really poor free kicks but he was starting the attacks every time.
 
I've called him out since he signed for City.
He has a fantastic final ball but he isn't athletic nor is he nimble ala Silva etc. Added to an average goal scoring record and I struggle to see what sets him apart as elite.
Imo he needs to be played wide right, put that final ball to good use
 
His final ball is exquisite but I think overall he hasn't looked as good as his debut season. Silva's been the better player.
 
His form has really dipped. Played very deep too, maybe Pep doesn't know how to get the best out of him
 
I'm a big fan but I think he was terrible today. I don't think Pep's formation suits him at all, but that doesn't stop him making simple 5 yard passes and showing some impetus when pressed/needing to press to recover the ball.
What's his best position/role then?
 
I've called him out since he signed for City.
He has a fantastic final ball but he isn't athletic nor is he nimble ala Silva etc. Added to an average goal scoring record and I struggle to see what sets him apart as elite.
Imo he needs to be played wide right, put that final ball to good use

Guardiola actually said earlier in the season he see's his best position as coming from out wide. I don't think he'll displace Sterling or Sane now. He lacks alot of positional awareness to be playing the box to box role he's in at the minute. He's got a bit of adapting to do if Pep doesn't fancy using a no.10.
 
What's his best position/role then?

He's best as a number 10, playing b2b he's got too many weakness (but not been near as bad as many say, tonight aside) and Pep see's him as best coming from out wide.
 
He's definitely not world class but he's still a very good player, not sure this system suits him at all though, looks worse than when he first joined them.
 
What's his best position/role then?
Through the middle as a number 10, I'd say with some certainty. You lose his incredible dead-ball delivery that he's capable of pulling from the right but his statistical output in terms of goals and assists is incredible if you let him work his magic. This is the man who had a mediocre striker like Bas Dost feasting on chances at Wolfsburg. He's at his best in the final third where the transitions are happening at some speed. It's certainly not this weird number 8 role that Guardiola wants him to play: the differences between himself and Silva in this scenario are just abundantly clear.
 
He doesn't get half the shit Pogba does, this was an appalling performance for him but the you won't hear anything from the media.
 
I really don't see what Pep sees with him. De Bruyne needs to roam around the oppo's final third instead of sitting this deep.
 
He's definitely not world class but he's still a very good player, not sure this system suits him at all though, looks worse than when he first joined them.

I think he's probably our best player and arugably the best no.10 in the prem. The problem for him is Pep doesn't play a no.10 and atm he's adapting to playing b2b something he doesn't have the defensive nous for.
 
He goes missing far too much when they need him and if that was Pogba who played like this tonight...

Last week against Stoke when they needed to win to keep their title hopes alive again he was anonymous and they needed David Silva to come on and give them the impetus.
 
I've called him out since he signed for City.
He has a fantastic final ball but he isn't athletic nor is he nimble ala Silva etc. Added to an average goal scoring record and I struggle to see what sets him apart as elite.
Imo he needs to be played wide right, put that final ball to good use

He's not exactly Chris Brunt, obviously his technique isn't the most polished but he can still play in that City midfield, especially now they have proper wingers in this system that Pep has used in recent matches.
 
I think he's probably our best player and arugably the best no.10 in the prem. The problem for him is Pep doesn't play a no.10 and atm he's adapting to playing b2b something he doesn't have the defensive nous for.


He was good but he had poor access to his teammates because of Monaco pushing him and the ctiy mf out wide. He was much better in the second half. This is a team sport. People are too obssessed with individuals. There is a clear lack of understanding of the game claerly.
 
He has been pretty average this season. Pep magic?

He's scored 6 goals has 13 assists, 5 motm performances this season. He's also hit the woodwork in the prem 6 times (more than anyone) all in playing a deeper role. While he's not suited to his current position thats hardly average.
 
I think he's probably our best player and arugably the best no.10 in the prem. The problem for him is Pep doesn't play a no.10 and atm he's adapting to playing b2b something he doesn't have the defensive nous for.
Would certainly explain why he's having a worse season, when great attacking players are made to defend I really do think people underestimate how much it can take out of their game.
 
Would certainly explain why he's having a worse season, when great attacking players are made to defend I really do think people underestimate how much it can take out of their game.

Its kind of weird because sometimes he does it well but when we're under pressure he can't cope in that position defensively. I wouldn't say he's been poor there but against big teams he finds it hard. The first goal came about today because Kun was actually covering his position and didn't know what to do.
 
He had good moments in the 2nd half. A lot of his passes led to City's dangerous attacks.

I don't know why he's getting the blunt of criticism when Aguero missed some sitters and David Silva again fails to impress in the CL(and again, barely anyone criticizes him for it).
 
He goes missing far too much when they need him and if that was Pogba who played like this tonight...

Last week against Stoke when they needed to win to keep their title hopes alive again he was anonymous and they needed David Silva to come on and give them the impetus.

I would agree. I think the pressure gets to him. Reminds me of Ozil in that regard although he is better.
 
He's scored 6 goals has 13 assists, 5 motm performances this season. He's also hit the woodwork in the prem 6 times (more than anyone) all in playing a deeper role. While he's not suited to his current position thats hardly average.
In a vacuum those stats are definitely impressive, but since the turn of the year (14 matches) he has 2 goals and 0 assists. Really disappointing for a player of his calibre, and the - entirely valid - caveat of him being played out of position cannot absolve all guilt.