Kenyon and United have no rational interest in publicly stating that they're not going to buy anyone else this summer. If that were the case, they would simply not buy anyone without making a public spectacle out of it. His statement the other day is brilliant way of using the press to get out a message: That is, "Don't bother raising your player prices because we spent 33m on Rio. If you do so, then we're perfectly content to look elsewhere".
Kenyon: No more Spending....
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So if you bid for a player, their club are going to think
"Hang on, best not ask for too much for so and so....after all Kenyon said he wasn't going to sign anyone else"
Amazing
"Hang on, best not ask for too much for so and so....after all Kenyon said he wasn't going to sign anyone else"
Amazing
so davo are you going to buy anymore players this summer
like ones that will actully get in your starting 11 and improve your team?
like ones that will actully get in your starting 11 and improve your team?
Originally posted by Davo:
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How would his statement help if you decide to bid for Duff?
Try not to ramble on about nothing in your answer..</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not rambling.I'm trying to be as clear as possible, but it seems that you either disagree or don't understand what I'm saying.
The statement would help because it would gain us leverage in the negotiations. eg..'We can make you an excellent take it or leave it offer for Duff. We would like to have him at United and you're interested in Yorke (plus Cash.' If Blackburn continue to posture over Duff's valuation, we can simply tell them that he's not a critical signing for us and walk away, as well as pull Yorke's availablity off the table.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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I'm not rambling.
The statement would help because it would gain us leverage in the negotiations. eg..'We can make you an excellent take it or leave it offer for Duff. We would like to have him at United and you're interested in Yorke (plus Cash.' If Blackburn continue to posture over Duff's valuation, we can simply tell them that he's not a critical signing for us and walk away, as well as pull Yorke's availablity off the table.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And yet again
Whats that got to do with Kenyon's speech yesterday?
I've tried to elaborate several times. It makes crystal clear sense to me. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I've tried to elaborate several times. It makes crystal clear sense to me. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Lets go through it step by step shall we..
so
1) Kenyon announces that you're making no signings. He doesn't really mean this. He is calling everyone's bluff.
Ok, I'm with you so far, even tho I think you're talking nonsense...
2) He bids for a player.
What have this player's club gauged from his no more player speech, apart from the fact that he's a liar, and how will this affect how much cash they ask?
Originally posted by Davo:
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Lets go through it step by step shall we..
so
1) Kenyon announces that you're making no signings. He doesn't really mean this. He is calling everyone's bluff.
Ok, I'm with you so far, even tho I think you're talking nonsense...
2) He bids for a player.
What have this player's club gauged from his no more player speech, apart from the fact that he's a liar, and how will this affect how much cash they ask?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It will effect how much cash they want, because they will know that United don't necessarily have to buy the player. We could say no and walk away, (thereby presumably prolonging the negotiations). The other club would then be left with the choice of not selling the player for our offering price, or else lowering their demands closer to what our proposal is.
Iwrin out - ???
Yorke out - ???
Yorke out - ???
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Iwrin out - ???
Yorke out - ???
Johnsen too and don't forget Wallwork (ok ronnie isn't prominent enough to warrant a significant loss).
I know Raoul but Kenyon does not seem to deem these losses as significant enough to warrant purchases. At least that's how I read it from his statements especially about that part where he talks about purchasing "quality" instead of quantity.
It's hard to live with I know and it certainly does make the job of winning trophies a little harder but I'm hoping with the new assistant manager onboard (whom I think is our most important "signing") with better tactics, organization and coaching drills, we'll get our whole squad to play better football.
I never thought I'd see the day when Inch makes sensible remarks regarding "transfers"
Unlikely bedfellows, you two are.
Davo, I think your are blinding yourself to what Raoul is saying. His no. 2 scenario does make sense.
There are a number of reasons he would create a smokescreen by stating that United are not signing any more players this summer.
1. To appease shareholders.
2. So as clubs will not ask for silly money for players that United are interested in.
3. To dampen down speculation in the media so that any negotiations that are presently being carried out for the signature of a player are not creating unecessary pressure on the people involved.
They are three straight forward reasons as to why PK would make a statement like that to the press and not mean it.
There are a number of reasons he would create a smokescreen by stating that United are not signing any more players this summer.
1. To appease shareholders.
2. So as clubs will not ask for silly money for players that United are interested in.
3. To dampen down speculation in the media so that any negotiations that are presently being carried out for the signature of a player are not creating unecessary pressure on the people involved.
They are three straight forward reasons as to why PK would make a statement like that to the press and not mean it.
Cheers BH. I think it's less likely that a fan of the opposition would consider the 2nd scenario likely, because they automatically come into the discussion from a cynical perpective.
For better or worse, the press is a very effective tool when it comes to transfers. The Ferdinand transfer proved that over the past few weeks. Chairmen and managers routinely use the press to publicly negotiate transfers as a prelude to private negotiations.
For better or worse, the press is a very effective tool when it comes to transfers. The Ferdinand transfer proved that over the past few weeks. Chairmen and managers routinely use the press to publicly negotiate transfers as a prelude to private negotiations.
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Cheers BH. I think it's less likely that a fan of the opposition would consider the 2nd scenario likely, because they automatically come into the discussion from a cynical perpective.
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Or because they're not so desperate for Kenyon's words to be false...
You choose..
Originally posted by Davo:
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Or because they're not so desperate for Kenyon's words to be false...
You choose..
I'm neither desperate for them to be true or false. Just stating my opinion on this statement. I'm quite confident that we can do the business with the squad that we have now, though we could do with more depth at LB and Striker.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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I'm neither desperate for them to be true or false. Just stating my opinion on this statement. I'm quite confident that we can do the business with the squad that we have now, though we could do with more depth at LB and Striker.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Course you're not..
We'll see what happens...
You clearly can't recognise the nonsense that is your theory..