There is a house in Surrey
They call the pebble-dash semi
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one
My mother was a nurse
She helped privatise in a hurry
My father was a tool making man
Down in Surrey
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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As you say, this has essentially been Labour's policy since he became leader. Sit back, say nothing, let the Tories be Tories.
His father was a toolmaker, don't you see?
That makes him just like you and me.
His father was a toolmaker, that's the key
To rebuilding this country's economy
His father was a toolmaker, don't you know?
That's the only idea he has ready to go
His father was a toolmaker, haven't you heard?
He'd probably be sad his son's a turd.
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In case people do not know, his mum was a nurse. But a new information today is his sister is a nurse too.
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Starmer keeps giving interviews to The Sun, and as far as I know they're still generally on the city of Liverpool's shit list. Does this mean Labour are going to lose a lot of support in Liverpool, and if so which party stands to benefit? Is there any chance Liverpool goes Green / Lib Dem?
https://metro.co.uk/video/starmer-fires-football-bants-east-midlands-school-3217663/
While campaigning in the Midlands, the Labour leader boldly stated that Dennis Bergkamp was the 'best midfielder' in Arsenal's history.
Last year he was a forward
While campaigning in the Midlands, the Labour leader boldly stated that Dennis Bergkamp was the 'best midfielder' in Arsenal's history.
Last year he was a forward
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and the problem with this is what exactly?
I am not going to get into a debate with you sir. I read your posts about the subject and you sound extremely uneducated about the subject so I am not going to waste my time.
Convenient. Talk only to people you agree with and insult those who question you.
Because morally it's wrong? We saw what happened in 2003 when the UK blindly followed the US's lead. It's just another example of Starmers fence sitting and cowardice.
Morality and politics huh? That's an interesting path to go down.
What benefit other than morality do we get from recognising a Palestinian state as opposed to our relations with our biggest partner being maintained?
I dunno if it's just this site or what but it feels like labour are being examined far more closely than the Tories and are pretty much being treated like they are already in power.
Dunno if it's because everyone has accepted they will win and have started early or what but I rarely see anyone actually examine the Tories record on stuff or future policies. It's all just scandals and campaign feck ups and gaffs.
Just how it feels to me generally.
Dunno if it's because everyone has accepted they will win and have started early or what but I rarely see anyone actually examine the Tories record on stuff or future policies. It's all just scandals and campaign feck ups and gaffs.
Just how it feels to me generally.
There's clearly a bit of this and, if the Conservative party wasn't such a shit show, it could have been quite damaging to Labour.
Because they are a dead duck in this election and therefore irrelevant. And it's not like Labour are offering anything significantly different.
Like I said this is the same attitude that dragged the UK into an illegal war.
Recognising Palestine has been done by many other European countries and they haven't fallen apart.
If you separate morals from politics you end up with guys like Trump and all the other lunatics that have been elected into power recently all over the world.
Just because something is broke doesn't mean you don't try to fix it.
Not the imaginary "special relationship" !
I'd say that most of the people who are critiquing Labour strongly are left leaning, and would want to vote Labour. They are finding it difficult because one or more Labour policy cross their red lines. They find Tories abhorrent and don't need to repeat how much they despise them.
I think too many people are over-estimating the importance of Palestine to the majority of people in the UK.
It happens to anyone but the tories, both on this site and others. The Lib Dems get sounded out for the coalition all the time despite it being long gone abd different people.
Meanwhile the tories do something worse most weeks, and it gets forgotten by the press. It'd be great if they were all perfect, but there's definitely more analysing of the left / centre.
There would also be more criticism if Redcafe had more tories. The Trump thread is at it's most active the couple of times per year someone defends him, for the same reason.
Tbh I think that's down to the acceptance that the Tories are hopelessly woeful, and frankly we're fatigued by the constant onslaught of scandals. So it's natural that we hold the opposition to more scrutiny since the hope and expectation is they would offer us a far more positive outlook, and not trap us into another decade of misery, cronyism and corruption that we've sadly been accustomed to.
As for the press' motivations - well I think that answers itself.
There are tories here but they are just sick of getting piled on by the usual crowd
What a disgusting outlook on life.
"Who gives a feck about the 10s of thousands of dead kids, who gives a feck about the 2 million people in an open air death camp, what's in it for me?"
Where did I insult you? But for the sake of tge argument. Sure, I will tell you why, 1- it's the right thing morally to do. 2- following the US blindly will end up just like Iraq war and apartheid SA. And most importantly 3- it's the UK mess in the first place it created decades ago.
You think it's ok to call people you disagree with uneducated?
oh look, strawmen that help you avoid the hypocrisy of basing your political decisions on morality alone.
Good. feck 'em. They've had the country for a decade, we've had some threads to whinge about it.
You won't like it when they come back with a vengeance, led by Farage or someone like them. It's going to take a while, but it will happen.
Of course I won't. But then I'm used to not liking it so there's no great change. So....for this small brief respite - feck 'em.
Yeah it's fun to see them destroyed, but I saw that with repubs when Obama was elected and look how that turned out.
Are you one of those weirdos who's determined to be miserable under Starmer too?
Not really but I'm not particularly hopeful. You one of those airheads that gets driven to his next opinion on the dashboard of Starmer's Volvo?
All we're doing with Starmer is returning back 10 years to when cockwobble Cameron was on the throne. Can't wait...
There's a reason why he's collecting Tory MPs like Pokemon and pushing out anyone remotely left leaning. Tories aren't destroyed, they've just assimilated Labour from the inside.
You tell me what you meant then.
It's so disappointing to see this from you
This is Starmer's biggest task and the reason why so many people are sceptical. We know that centrist neo-liberalism might work for a bit butv tends to collapse in the face of rising populism (see France, USA, even here etc) My problem with Starmer is that he seems to represent that and that will lead to the rise of the right.
I liked and voted for Corbyn's policies as many did, but he was a weak leader, Starmer seems to be made of sterner stuff, but he is playing to small the c conservative majority. My hope is that he is making the Labour party as small a target as possible to woo those voters and get into power with a large majority and once in, they'll begin to shift towards the left. People need to see government really working for them and that means proper socialist policies, otherwise it'll just be seen as more of the same and we will eventually end up with a Farage or Badendoch as Prime Minister. A Cameron-lite government, which lots of people fear from Starmer, would create even more fertile ground for populism.
I'm lucky enough to live in a constituency where the Greens stand a very real chance of winning and as a result I will be voting for them as I want parliament to be as left of centre as possible. If I was in any doubt about Labour's victory, I would switch my vote to make sure we got rid of the Tories, but thankfully that doesn't seem to be an issue. My hope is that the Lib Dems beat the Tories and become the party of opposition, but that's probably just a dream, unless we have another D-Day moment.
Surely that is just borne out by polling figures? It's not to say it's a good thing but it seems like it's not a top priority for many voters.
I meant the entirety of his posts