and the problem with this is what exactly?
I am not going to get into a debate with you sir. I read your posts about the subject and you sound extremely uneducated about the subject so I am not going to waste my time.
Because morally it's wrong? We saw what happened in 2003 when the UK blindly followed the US's lead. It's just another example of Starmers fence sitting and cowardice.and the problem with this is what exactly?
Because morally it's wrong? We saw what happened in 2003 when the UK blindly followed the US's lead. It's just another example of Starmers fence sitting and cowardice.
I dunno if it's just this site or what but it feels like labour are being examined far more closely than the Tories and are pretty much being treated like they are already in power.
Dunno if it's because everyone has accepted they will win and have started early or what but I rarely see anyone actually examine the Tories record on stuff or future policies. It's all just scandals and campaign feck ups and gaffs.
Just how it feels to me generally.
Because they are a dead duck in this election and therefore irrelevant. And it's not like Labour are offering anything significantly different.I dunno if it's just this site or what but it feels like labour are being examined far more closely than the Tories and are pretty much being treated like they are already in power.
Dunno if it's because everyone has accepted they will win and have started early or what but I rarely see anyone actually examine the Tories record on stuff or future policies. It's all just scandals and campaign feck ups and gaffs.
Just how it feels to me generally.
Like I said this is the same attitude that dragged the UK into an illegal war.Morality and politics huh? That's an interesting path to go down.
What benefit other than morality do we get from recognising a Palestinian state as opposed to our relations with our biggest partner being maintained?
I'd say that most of the people who are critiquing Labour strongly are left leaning, and would want to vote Labour. They are finding it difficult because one or more Labour policy cross their red lines. They find Tories abhorrent and don't need to repeat how much they despise them.I dunno if it's just this site or what but it feels like labour are being examined far more closely than the Tories and are pretty much being treated like they are already in power.
Dunno if it's because everyone has accepted they will win and have started early or what but I rarely see anyone actually examine the Tories record on stuff or future policies. It's all just scandals and campaign feck ups and gaffs.
Just how it feels to me generally.
Like I said this is the same attitude that dragged the UK into an illegal war.
Recognising Palestine has been done by many other European countries and they haven't fallen apart.
If you separate morals from politics you end up with guys like Trump and all the other lunatics that have been elected into power recently all over the world.
Just because something is broke doesn't mean you don't try to fix it.
I dunno if it's just this site or what but it feels like labour are being examined far more closely than the Tories and are pretty much being treated like they are already in power.
Dunno if it's because everyone has accepted they will win and have started early or what but I rarely see anyone actually examine the Tories record on stuff or future policies. It's all just scandals and campaign feck ups and gaffs.
Just how it feels to me generally.
It happens to anyone but the tories, both on this site and others. The Lib Dems get sounded out for the coalition all the time despite it being long gone abd different people.
Meanwhile the tories do something worse most weeks, and it gets forgotten by the press. It'd be great if they were all perfect, but there's definitely more analysing of the left / centre.
Tbh I think that's down to the acceptance that the Tories are hopelessly woeful, and frankly we're fatigued by the constant onslaught of scandals. So it's natural that we hold the opposition to more scrutiny since the hope and expectation is they would offer us a far more positive outlook, and not trap us into another decade of misery, cronyism and corruption that we've sadly been accustomed to.It happens to anyone but the tories, both on this site and others. The Lib Dems get sounded out for the coalition all the time despite it being long gone abd different people.
Meanwhile the tories do something worse most weeks, and it gets forgotten by the press. It'd be great if they were all perfect, but there's definitely more analysing of the left / centre.
There would also be more criticism if Redcafe had more tories. The Trump thread is at it's most active the couple of times per year someone defends him, for the same reason.
What a disgusting outlook on life.Morality and politics huh? That's an interesting path to go down.
What benefit other than morality do we get from recognising a Palestinian state as opposed to our relations with our biggest partner being maintained?
Convenient. Talk only to people you agree with and insult those who question you.
Where did I insult you? But for the sake of tge argument. Sure, I will tell you why, 1- it's the right thing morally to do. 2- following the US blindly will end up just like Iraq war and apartheid SA. And most importantly 3- it's the UK mess in the first place it created decades ago.
What a disgusting outlook on life.
"Who gives a feck about the 10s of thousands of dead kids, who gives a feck about the 2 million people in an open air death camp, what's in it for me?"
There are tories here but they are just sick of getting piled on by the usual crowd
Good. feck 'em. They've had the country for a decade, we've had some threads to whinge about it.
You won't like it when they come back with a vengeance, led by Farage or someone like them. It's going to take a while, but it will happen.
Of course I won't. But then I'm used to not liking it so there's no great change. So....for this small brief respite - feck 'em.
Yeah it's fun to see them destroyed, but I saw that with repubs when Obama was elected and look how that turned out.
Are you one of those weirdos who's determined to be miserable under Starmer too?
Are you one of those weirdos who's determined to be miserable under Starmer too?
You tell me what you meant then.oh look, strawmen that help you avoid the hypocrisy of basing your political decisions on morality alone.
I think too many people are over-estimating the importance of Palestine to the majority of people in the UK.
Yeah it's fun to see them destroyed, but I saw that with repubs when Obama was elected and look how that turned out.
It's so disappointing to see this from you
Surely that is just borne out by polling figures? It's not to say it's a good thing but it seems like it's not a top priority for many voters.
I meant the entirety of his posts
You won't like it when they come back with a vengeance, led by Farage or someone like them. It's going to take a while, but it will happen.
Maybe so, but that wasn't what we were debating.I think too many people are over-estimating the importance of Palestine to the majority of people in the UK.
It's strange to go out of your way to bat for someone like Starmer.It's so disappointing to see this from you
You think it's ok to call people you disagree with uneducated?
Maybe so, but that wasn't what we were debating.
Even though the UK do have a responsibility to help resolving it giving their history in the conflict.
