As I said. I'm voting for them, but can understand why other people may refuse to do so. That's probably because there is no alternative where I live.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Just posting @Sweet Square's addition to the hypernormalisation thread. Speaks for itself really.
I don't think folk should just be cut off so for completeness she finishes her direct reply with the following:
Well it leaves us precisely where we were before those dickheads took over. Namely on the slow road to ruin imprisoned in the hearse of austerity. All she seems to now be offering is a change of driver.
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I don't think folk should just be cut off so for completeness she finishes her direct reply with the following:
Well it leaves us precisely where we were before those dickheads took over. Namely on the slow road to ruin imprisoned in the hearse of austerity. All she seems to now be offering is a change of driver.
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Haven't we basically known since before Keynes that "your sums have got to add up" is specifically not true for national economics?
It's also not true for private economics, that's kind of the point of banks. But yes, comparing a private budget to a nation's budget is pretty dumb.
I guess they still have to add up in the long run, but it's a wildly different sum. She's cloaking ideology as mathematics, including certain inputs and excluding others. I doubt she's included the maths of what a failing health service or a series of bankrupt councils will mean for the economy 10 years down the road. There's no effort to show how extra taxation of the wealthy affects the sums, or where redistribution fits into the equation. It's just neoliberalism presented as fact.
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https://news.sky.com/story/labour-p...itain-out-of-crisis-union-chiefs-say-12959160
Completely agree. Starmer really does need to show that Labour is not just Tory Lite as many on here have said.
Completely agree. Starmer really does need to show that Labour is not just Tory Lite as many on here have said.
It's a very nice portrait. Steely eyed and firm of mouth. Focuses on what's important. I can understand why they chose it.
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4D chess...or something.
Turning into the American Republican party
Insane right wing policy
Rejoin the fecking EU.
And let the European Parliament take ours over preferably while we're at it.
Dunno about that.
Every time you think it can't get worse with our politicians it does. The only thing we've done reasonably well in the last 15 years is support Ukraine and that was only done because it was an easy PR win for the PM and it was the only government department with a vaguely competent minister...who has now quit.
I think the Tories will win the next election with a majority.
What makes you say that?
A bit more talk of extending the vote to 16yrs…
Curse that Red Tory!
Curse that Red Tory!
I have concerns we see Dewey vs Truman in 1948 if Starmer isn't careful.
But add to that the fact the Tories have an electoral advantage, we now have a poll tax to vote in the shape of voter ID, and Labour have to win bigly to get a majority of 1. Then you have the right wing media and so on and so forth, online dark money...
The Tories don't have to do too much more to get a hung Parliament, and I can see the electorate being swayed by the magic money tree which is being prepared.
Causing a bit of a stir with comments about more close alignment to the EU. I welcome the comments and hope he does not back track!
Starmer is definitely playing the odds now, he knows that winning the GE will need him to take most of the traditional Labour vote with him, including the return of most red wall voters. He is hopeful of picking up seats in Scotland once again, of tempting disgruntled Tories, of isolating the Lib-Dems and in still being considered to be 'polishing his green credentials' enough to stop too much leakage to the Green party.
The Lib-Dems are now coming up with the the 'big idea' of a free Social Care Plan, already assessed at £5B per year, which might sway some voters their way on a national scale. The Tories for the moment are clinging on to 'stopping the small boats', this won't win them the election but might take enough votes to ensure Labour doesn't get its sizeable majority. The Labour left disgruntled with Starmers approach may in the end hold their noises and vote, because they have no where obvious to go, except maybe the Green Party? Wales may become the 'dark horse' for Labour, normally reliable, but the speed limit issue may lose Labour a few seats, but maybe not enough to make much difference.
Every time Starmer opens his mouth now whether it's on the economy, climate issues, snuggling up to the EU, being 'the adult' on asylum seekers, cautious with China, supporting Ukraine, etc. he knows he will get criticism, but will accept it if he continues Labour's lead in the polls, he will be reasonably happy. For the first time perhaps to those who support him already, and to those who might support him, he is looking to be up for the fight; undaunted by the 'nay sayers' he keeps his head low , his arms tucked into his side and moves relentlessly forward across the political ring.
Labour needs a significant majority to be able to do anything beyond just being 'in power' they will need enough votes to guarantee almost anything they propose. No one knows that better than Keir Starmer.
The Lib-Dems are now coming up with the the 'big idea' of a free Social Care Plan, already assessed at £5B per year, which might sway some voters their way on a national scale. The Tories for the moment are clinging on to 'stopping the small boats', this won't win them the election but might take enough votes to ensure Labour doesn't get its sizeable majority. The Labour left disgruntled with Starmers approach may in the end hold their noises and vote, because they have no where obvious to go, except maybe the Green Party? Wales may become the 'dark horse' for Labour, normally reliable, but the speed limit issue may lose Labour a few seats, but maybe not enough to make much difference.
Every time Starmer opens his mouth now whether it's on the economy, climate issues, snuggling up to the EU, being 'the adult' on asylum seekers, cautious with China, supporting Ukraine, etc. he knows he will get criticism, but will accept it if he continues Labour's lead in the polls, he will be reasonably happy. For the first time perhaps to those who support him already, and to those who might support him, he is looking to be up for the fight; undaunted by the 'nay sayers' he keeps his head low , his arms tucked into his side and moves relentlessly forward across the political ring.
Labour needs a significant majority to be able to do anything beyond just being 'in power' they will need enough votes to guarantee almost anything they propose. No one knows that better than Keir Starmer.
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Love a bit of censorship.
It seems that a lot of the internal criticism of Corbyn was pretty much right wing MP’s projecting their own faults onto him.
They spend 5 years calling anyone mildly left wing a Stalinist Trotskyist. Only to then clamp down any discussion.
FFS, what's wrong with the Labourative Party. 
Was there any doubt though?
These are the MPs who cared passionately about minority rights when Corbyn was leader, and are now supporting racist and discriminatory policies.
True. I’ve always thought these MPs were full of shit but a large part of the memberships during the last leadership seemed to have genuinely thought there was some progressive future.
It still so strange to me that people went from voting for a moral socialist with social democratic/anti austerity politics to picking a knighted sir that was the former head of the CPS who backed the failed coup attempt and agrees with George Osborne.
Predicated upon the premise of Corbyn's manifesto, broadly accepted (2017 agenda), without Corbyn toxicity. Now they're gaslighting the public against migrants, gay people, protestors of all stripes, changing National Executive rules as to what can and cannot be said, and generally being a bunch of totalitiarian corporate wankers.
"But the country has gone right-wing" - yes, and Starmer/Labour is helping it move in that direction. No opposition of any substance worth mentioning.
The Corbyn manifesto without the Corbyn personality at the doorstep. Now we have Tory manifesto without any Labour at all. One party state with Lib Dem irrelevancy.
I think there was a belief that Starmer was an heir to Blair. A middle of the road politician who can attract Tory voters and make some incremental and under the radar changes to tax and policies which quietly shift money towards the less well off.
And look what we got instead...
Yep completely agree with that.
It’s been mentioned before but this current version of Blairism isn’t anywhere near as left as the original one in late 90’s. The likes Starmer don’t even know their own history.
Labour summed up in one policy
Looks like private schools charitable status is back on the menu boys.
More u-turns than Boris
I read that they don’t need to do this now as they are enforcing the VAT on private schools.