You literally said it wasn't knee jerk. That has been this entire conversation?
Have you had a few drinks?
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You literally said it wasn't knee jerk. That has been this entire conversation?
Have you had a few drinks?
Like him as a coach, just shambolic in the transfer market. Take transfers out of his hand and I'd be fine keeping him
Hes sacked, we know it. Hel continue winning trophies irrespective, we know this too.
And?
So the greatest manager of all time managed to turn something around. Does that mean we have to give every manager 5 years even no matter how many records they break for poor performance?
I’m sorry but that’s just not true about the players being available through the bad periods. It’s about the impact those players have on the overall plan. At points we had Dalot as the only full back, meaning Amrabat wasn’t available in midfield when playing left back. It also meant we couldn’t use Dalot as intended. Evans has played out of his skin but it’s wild to call him a good option, him and Maguire at the back is a disaster in a team looking to play a high line. Hojlund was basically flogged all season without a break thanks to Martial and ten hag finally found a way around it, but playing without a striker is not how we’d want to play against weaker teams. Eriksen shouldn’t and some others shouldn’t be anywhere near a top half team.
I don’t know, it feels really disingenuous to try and play down the impact of the injuries.
@NWRed it isn't 1990 anymore and ETH isn't Sir Alex for fecks sake 
Hoping every manager turns into the messiah because a one off like Sir Alex did it, is very naive.
Hoping every manager turns into the messiah because a one off like Sir Alex did it, is very naive.
I note that u support time travel…..time machines they just don’t make them like they’re going to……
Still has to go for me but I'm thankful for the great memories and the players he's brought through.
This was a pre-new manager bounce. He still has to go.
Probably right, but that's down to fanbases being stupid/reactionary and will happen no matter what (same way if a new manager comes in and we immediately see great results people will proclaim all of our players world class).
Aye aye aye... here we go again...
We were so tragic this season that we could have been relegated. But when you have a player like Bruno coming up with the answers for the coach, and other players chipping in with bits of quality, it's not going to happen. If we didn't have Bruno then it could have been in the picture this season with the way he's set us up. Practically every coach has the better of him but they can't always get the job done, and that's only because of some of the quality we have. What makes me laugh is the muppets that make out we've got a crap team.
@NWRed it isn't 1990 anymore and ETH isn't Sir Alex for fecks sake
Hoping every manager turns into the messiah because a one off like Sir Alex did it is very naive.
No, it's 2024, and we have a manager that has won 2 trophies in 2 seasons, reached one other final, finished 3rd in his first season and had a difficult second season.
It's not unheard of, even the greatest struggle at times. In 1990 Sir Alex Ferguson was just Alex Ferguson, a Scottish manager who'd had success north of the border but had spent 3 unsuccessful seasons at United, and to some looked out of his depth.
Thank god you weren't making the decisions at United then.
Ask me again in a few days. For now, let's celebrate and enjoy today. Monumental effort from all today, including the boss.
History doesn't change because you have no patience, and you obviously need reminding of it.
We probably should have kept a hold of Jose. He even brought success in Europe. Or maybe kept a hold of LVG too?
So you think we should definitely have kept Jose then. He won 2 trophies in one season.
3 if we count the community shield
imagine year 7 (no idea how long it's been) of Jose!We're all morons, yes.
We weren't playing a high line though, which is the entire fecking point. No one is saying that injuries (especially at the back) didn't have an effect on the results. EVERYONE is saying that it was fecking stupid to continue with a shite tactic (that looked shite even with everyone fit mind you) for 95% of our matches this season without adjusting at all for the sake of "progression" even though we weren't progressing at all and in reality were taking massive steps back regardless of who was available.
I think many of us that have wanted him sacked for a while would have different feelings if the team was pressing high, playing brilliant stuff going forward etc but we were just conceding far too much because Maguire and Evans were being skinned at the half way line. At least then you'd have a platform where the obvious fix is some elite CB's that can defend that space while the rest of the team clicks. But it's never been even close to that. In reality many of our attack and midfield options have been fit for good chunks of the year, enough to where at bare minimum we should have seen progress going forward and creating/scoring goals even if we were shaky at the back. Instead we were poor in both aspects to an almost relegation level. Not having Varane and Martinez at the back isn't an excuse for that at all and never has been. The reality is we were quite lucky to even be in the top half of the table this season yet people still want to keep the man responsible for that because they are getting weepy over a single cup win and have this misguided notion that Ten Hag has been hard done and massively wronged. Even the most ignorant fan could have watched the opener vs. Wolves and a few matches after that and told you "There's too much space in the midfield that needs to change". It never did, and we reaped the results of that persistence in the league, the CL, and the league cup.
It was a different time and different circumstances.
The comparison to Fergie needs to stop. We'll never get out from his shadow otherwise.
3 if we count the community shield
TBF I am not sure time would have lined up for us to get Jose as Moyes would not have left until around 2018. He never finished 13th so that is still acceptable, sure he could have won a cup along the way.
No but both their managers had an upward trajectory and both implemented a clear style of play.
We've been on the slide since last March and still no style of play emerging.
He's actually out done klopp in the last 2 seasons and klopp had a team capable of nearly winning a quad when ETH took over at United.
It's such a weird mentality too, as it's essentially downplaying Sir Alex's achievements. It comes with the inherent implication that perhaps anyone could have done what he did if they'd been given as much leeway. That on a long enough timeline every manager can become Alex Ferguson, which means what he did was nothing special. Imagine picking that as your hill to die on in defence of the latest guy to fail to fill his parking space.
Pretty much my thoughts on this too. If the players he wanted hadn't turned on so poorly, I still think there is a proper manager in there. And yes I may also regret this faith come next season but im just tired of the Carousel.
Haha. Was very knee jerk. I suppose my thesis for keeping him has been we’ve seen what his good at, we’ve seen his flaws and it’s more likely he will learn and eliminate his flaws. Plus this season has been hindered by injury, doubt city would win the league if they had our injuries. Today when I saw the lineup it ruined what appeared to be a chance to look to the future and it was ETH returning to favouritism. But in the end it was a magical performance.
A starting lineup of Amad, Mainoo, Garnacho , Hojland is the future and will no doubt come. But today ETH did what he did to win the match , a match few believed we’d win.
Give Ten Hag another year. Reduce his recruitment duties and influence. Stick to managing the team. He may not be the long term guy but there isn't ANY obvious replacement for now and we can't afford to pay him out and get anybody better. Keep dumping the deadwood. Get rid of 8 -10 players. Bring in 6 or 8 solid players, including 4 or 5 STARTERS. LB, CB, DM, RW, Striker, etc,.... Keep Varane if possible on lower wages. I'd even give Amrabat another chance if we can get him for 10-15m although it looks like Varane and Amrabat are gone.
You can't knee jerk after one game. The damage has been done with a season of appalling performances which have been evidence that he isn't up to it.
He clearly decided not to change the way he wanted to play in year two. Dutch managers are known for being stubborn and it kind of played out like that. I was as frustrated as anyone with our attacking play, but not having the defence or midfield he wanted, does also impact on how we play going forward.
Analysing it now the season has ended, you’ve got a bunch of kids, Rashford and Bruno. That’s our whole attack for a huge amount of games recently, please don’t forget we were looking like we could have made the top four after about 27 games.
I’ve been as concerned about anyone about the midfield gaps, so if I was Ineos, I would be finding out why that happened, why he couldn’t change it and take it from there. He clearly can coach players and has them playing for him despite everything, which counts for something.
2 seasons.
2 major trophies
What's not to love eh!
2 major trophies
What's not to love eh!
In what way are the cirumstances different?
Yes the SAF comparisons should stop but the clamour is that EtH should be sacked because he finished 8th and that should never be allowed as a United manager, well if that is true the 90's and 2000's would never have happened
Does the same sentiment hold for the players ? Or is it different for them ?
Keep them ??
Keep them ??
Huge knee-jerk. The guy has single handedly broken far too many records in his time here. He got it right today when the players couldn't not be up for it but doesn't negate the last 12 months, got to go
If Atkinson isn't sacked the 90s and 2000s also never happen.
Also true
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