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Realism is for tomorrow. Today we celebrate.
I don't believe that there's any connection between 1990 and 2014, or between Fergie and ETH. But facts are there. Fergie spent big money at the time.
You should also consider that the management level ability...
You have to spend that amount of money when you have a management who cannot deal with football club and footballer....(it proven that at least 10 years)
He won a tournament, not one match.
Given our recent history , It's levels of stupidity to be unaware that sacking managers after 2 years has got us nowhere .
The last great manager we had , won diddly squat for almost 4 years . Times may have changed , but time itself hasn't . There's still only 365 days in a year .
It takes time for any manager to get a top team together . There's no substitute for it
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I've had a great evening. Got a PB in my run tonight and now drinking some champagne. Been a good few days what with the election announcement!
You can celebrate and be thankful but also be realistic about our future.
So many can't remember past the last game. Hopefully Jim etc have more sense.
Ancellotte could be available.
Ole didn't win trophies and his last season with rangnick got the lowest points total ever in PL for united.
Who is available that you think can take united to the top?
I've gone right off the idea of Tuchel, and it would be a bit of surprise if Ineos wanted someone like him tbh. I really like Poch, but I'm not too sure if he's the way to go, as he just seems like he'll always be that little bit short of a truly elite manager.
My only conclusion is that unless Ineos are about to pull a Zidane shaped rabbit out the hat then then it's going to be Mckenna, and what a massive risk that will be, but at least one that makes a bit of sense.
The vast majority of the match going fans want him to stay. The players want him to stay. The moaning caf armchair want him gone.
If Erik goes its to a big club, he will win trophies for a new big club - as he has for us.
3 finals in 2 seasons, 2 won.
Thats 2 more trophies than Arteta in 6 years at Arsenal.
WE SACK Erik and we will hire a new manager, we are then back to square 1 and the same moaners will be calling for the new guy to be sacked in 2 year's. Some will then say, we should have kept ETH.
If Social media was around in 1986/7/8 those same Caf moaners would be screaming FERGIE OUT.
its been a terrible season in the prem, had Varane Martinez and shaw been fit a lot more then would have it been better? I think so.
Give Erik one more season for me. Then judge him. changing managers post Fergie has not worked. Fact.
If Erik goes its to a big club, he will win trophies for a new big club - as he has for us.
3 finals in 2 seasons, 2 won.
Thats 2 more trophies than Arteta in 6 years at Arsenal.
WE SACK Erik and we will hire a new manager, we are then back to square 1 and the same moaners will be calling for the new guy to be sacked in 2 year's. Some will then say, we should have kept ETH.
If Social media was around in 1986/7/8 those same Caf moaners would be screaming FERGIE OUT.
its been a terrible season in the prem, had Varane Martinez and shaw been fit a lot more then would have it been better? I think so.
Give Erik one more season for me. Then judge him. changing managers post Fergie has not worked. Fact.
He spent money, but nothing compared to this. It would be akin to spending about 150m in during that time, which he clearly did not.
We are often so caught up in sentiment we overlook the obvious and the obvious is that we’ve been awful since the league cup final last season and gradually got worse with today whilst being fantastic tactically from ETH and a proper performance from many of our players felt like a lot of players putting in a proper shift because they know they’re playing for their futures under someone else.
As I’ve said on here many times I was one of the ones that desperately wanted ETH when he was at Ajax but success in Holland and that one great CL run has not transitioned over to the PL and at United so I’d much rather he leave on a massive high and on great terms whilst remembering the good bits, I feel like there’s a reason Ajax haven’t appointed anyone and that’s they know ETH will be available.
Since coming in Ineos have changed so much behind the scenes and are putting a world class footballing structure in place so with that they’re going to want their own head coach in place to work in sync with the structure and work towards a long term plan, the fact Ineos have not come out and shot down all the talk says everything needed to know and ETH has now said if they don’t want him he’s fine about it and will go elsewhere so it’ll be announced next week.
As I’ve said on here many times I was one of the ones that desperately wanted ETH when he was at Ajax but success in Holland and that one great CL run has not transitioned over to the PL and at United so I’d much rather he leave on a massive high and on great terms whilst remembering the good bits, I feel like there’s a reason Ajax haven’t appointed anyone and that’s they know ETH will be available.
Since coming in Ineos have changed so much behind the scenes and are putting a world class footballing structure in place so with that they’re going to want their own head coach in place to work in sync with the structure and work towards a long term plan, the fact Ineos have not come out and shot down all the talk says everything needed to know and ETH has now said if they don’t want him he’s fine about it and will go elsewhere so it’ll be announced next week.
I also want to know if this generosity extends to the players. For some reason, we need to get rid of all players, but keep the manager, even though they both were part of this win.
Still struggle to see him improving. I acknowledge he had some injuries, but after all the money spent that's maybe a reason to excuse him finishing 5th or 6th, but 8th? He's had 2 years and I cannot say we've progressed at all in any meaingful way.
Which players has he improved? How many games have you come away thinking "we did an excellent job there"? How many games where you think "finally, I see it"? The answer to all of these questions is either "none" or "not many".
We've had discussions for months talking about how its completely unclear how we're meant to be playing. All the discussions about how how we look like the worst coached team in the league. Winning the FA Cup is nice, but don't let it cloud things, in reality the only games we won that we weren't heavy favourites in were Liverpool and Man City. Fair play he got the job done, but we also very nearly got knocked out by fecking Coventry.
Which players has he improved? How many games have you come away thinking "we did an excellent job there"? How many games where you think "finally, I see it"? The answer to all of these questions is either "none" or "not many".
We've had discussions for months talking about how its completely unclear how we're meant to be playing. All the discussions about how how we look like the worst coached team in the league. Winning the FA Cup is nice, but don't let it cloud things, in reality the only games we won that we weren't heavy favourites in were Liverpool and Man City. Fair play he got the job done, but we also very nearly got knocked out by fecking Coventry.
I'm almost always middle ground / on the fence about most things. And remain so regarding ETH.
I'm not absolutely adamant about either option. I'm not so stuck on ETH that I definitely want him to stay. But the list of likely candidates doesn't really include anyone that I'd definitely see as a huge upgrade and a certain success.
So not really sure which way I think the club should go, or which I'd like them to opt for. And there's so many other things still to get right alongside it - including all the other appointments and the important summer transfer window. If they can get those things right, then it really gives the manager (ETH or a new one) a good chance to do well next season. If they get them wrong, then whoever the manager is will have another tough task.
I'm not absolutely adamant about either option. I'm not so stuck on ETH that I definitely want him to stay. But the list of likely candidates doesn't really include anyone that I'd definitely see as a huge upgrade and a certain success.
So not really sure which way I think the club should go, or which I'd like them to opt for. And there's so many other things still to get right alongside it - including all the other appointments and the important summer transfer window. If they can get those things right, then it really gives the manager (ETH or a new one) a good chance to do well next season. If they get them wrong, then whoever the manager is will have another tough task.
In a bit of an echo chamber thats dominated by the same posters making the same posts. Its not one match.
He should get one more season for me. New structure behind the scenes, Hopefully first choice players back.
One season where the changes are sorted and the team is as he wants it, fail then he goes.
One season where the changes are sorted and the team is as he wants it, fail then he goes.
To be fair, we only finished 3 points off 6th and, as that was Chelsea, then pretty much that game where we were 3-2 up after 97 minutes against them and lost 4-3 to a 2nd soft penalty and a deflected goal was pretty much the difference between 6th and 8th.
Though I agree about the lack of an obvious style of play 2 years into his reign.
Using that logic we could have been knocked out by Coventry after they missed a clear opportunity in the dying seconds of extra time.
Football is all about fine margins, for all clubs.
Alex Ferguson spent a huge amount of money, for the time, in 1989 to bring in Mike Phelan, Neil Webb, Gary Pallister, Paul Ince and Danny Wallace. Some of those eventually worked out, but in 1990 it appeared to be a big waste of money.
We can't know the paths not taken, but sacking Moyes, LVG, Mourinho or Ole hasn't brought us success has it. Maybe if we'd have given one of them more time they could have, we'll never know.
3 finals in his first two years, won two of them. Spoilt LFC's quad and broke them for the rest of the season, spoilt MCFC's double too. FA cup win is second only to the title in this country. 8th is not good enough we all know that, but if we'd had Licha and Varane at the back for more games it would have been a different story. We're in Europa, pushing Chelsea into conference and small time NUFC out of Europe altogether. Let him run his contract, I guarantee this will improve.
Gave me a chuckle.
If INEOS keep him they back him with buying the right players and support staff, that's all they need to do
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No, the manager needs to use the right tactics as well. He played 1 man midfield all season. No one forced him to do so and that was our major problem.
We had an horrible season. We were outplayed by most teams in the league and have a negative goal difference.
One win against City don’t make ETH a genius.
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No, the manager needs to use the right tactics as well. He played 1 man midfield all season. No one forced him to do so and that was our major problem.
We had an horrible season. We were outplayed by most teams in the league and have a negative goal difference.
One win against City don’t make ETH a genius.
Do they? How do you know that?
But when the money has been pissed up the wall and he’s has no support in that regard, he’s not really to blame for that. Today we should have had a top class right forward off the bench, we have Antony. City have Doku and Grealish. We should have had a proper DM like Rodri, we have Casemiro not in the squad. We should have had a top striker like Haaland, we have a kid learning on the job. We have free transfers like Eriksen and Evans, how many 30+ year old free transfers do city have. I’d say he’s improved Garnacho, Mainoo, Dalot for starters.
The difference between 8th and 5th is so small. It happened when the injuries hit the hardest and we only slid down the table due to last minute goals, which are down to the players. Theres no excuses for dropping those 5 points to Chelsea and Brentford. Thats the difference you’re willing to sack a manager on?
That's what he says but he's only going to say what makes him look the best. If he tried and failed to convince Venables or someone else and had to give SAF more time because he had no other options he's hardly likely to admit it given what happened afterwards.
1 game doesn't change an entire season of shit, stubbornness and kamikaze like tactics
Edwards was not a football genius, far from it but he trusted Sir Bobby. I believe that he was the guy who persuaded the club to stick to SAF
I dont think you bring Ancelotti to manage a team like us now. I feel he is someone you bring when things are in place.
I dont know if they can take us to the top but Poch and Tuchel are simply better managers than ETH right now. Give either of them a 2 year contract with an optional second year and see how it goes. ETH hasnt really built much that needs rebuilding.
The board made that decision based on the good work Fergie was doing behind the scenes, despite the poor showings on the field at the time. They felt he was putting in place a structure that would allow for future success.
We don't know if ETH is doing likewise. It doesn't look like it, but as a random fan looking in from the outside we don't really know. If INEOS and the people they've put in place decide to keep ETH next season then I'll accept that they believe ETH is doing a better job behind the scenes than it currently looks, and hold out hope that he might go on to do something similar to Arteta (comparing him to SAF is obviously setting him up for failure). I won't be confident about it, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for another season. I'm curious that if they sack him whether you'll accept that they believe that he isn't?
Been an awful season with some of the worst results I’ve seen in my ~30 years watching United, however, bringing through Garnacho and Mainoo along with trophies in consecutive seasons for the first time since… 09 followed by 10?
He’s earned another season. Not to mention there isn’t much out there in terms of options to replace him.
And I’d love it if he stays after the media tried to feck up our preparations by “leaking” bullshit all week.
He’s earned another season. Not to mention there isn’t much out there in terms of options to replace him.
And I’d love it if he stays after the media tried to feck up our preparations by “leaking” bullshit all week.
Tough call now and considering the last 4 games. But man has this season been shit. Ineos with some difficult decisions
SAF did not spend anywhere close to what ETH has, and he has wasted most of the money.
We can't know the paths not taken, including sticking with failures. Then again, I don't care about maybes, he has been crap, and some cup wins don't change anything.
This euphoria borders on idiotic, he has presided over a truly miserable season that has cost us significantly and that should be accounted for. He knew all along how to get results with this team but persisted with Kamikaze tactics like they wouldn't be consequences well I, for one, whilst I am happy I am not forgetting the rest of the season.
£400m and we have two Cups to show for it no we deserve and should demand better and if the next guy fails, sack him too until we get to the right one.
There's no reason to think McKenna is a better coach than Ten Hag. If that's the choice, I'd rather stick with Ten Hag.
Deserves to fulfill the third season of his contract with fewer injuries and a transfer window under a hierarchy who knows what they're doing.
No need for a new contract. See where we are by New Year, then decide to offer him a new deal or not.
There's no clear candidate to replace him. He can continue with the project he's been building and save us money at the same time.
No need for a new contract. See where we are by New Year, then decide to offer him a new deal or not.
There's no clear candidate to replace him. He can continue with the project he's been building and save us money at the same time.
Or we might have won 3-2 and not even needed ET had they not been erroneously given a penalty deep into injury time?
Maybe, my point is only that there were no certainties back then and the people making the decisions had no idea if they were right.
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