Many seem to have forgotten the Bangkok Cup.
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But also could have been better because reasons.
Martinez, Onana, Hojlund, Casemiro last season. They have all been good.
Martinez is incredible and Hojlund is going to be.
Two trophies and 3rd position in two seasons is really good tbh. I’m leaning towards the sensible option being keeping him for another season, especially given the lack of good options. There’s also Pochettino and Tuchel and possibly Naglesmann that would still be available next season incase EtH isn’t doing so well
Are we replacing ETH with anyone even comparable to Sir Alex?
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My guess would say, no.
Keep.
Get Ashworth in ASAP. Let Ten Hag focus on his new streamlined role.
Another trophy or a title challenge next season as the minimum expectation, otherwise change then. Then he’ll have had 3 seasons and it’ll be more justified IMO
Get Ashworth in ASAP. Let Ten Hag focus on his new streamlined role.
Another trophy or a title challenge next season as the minimum expectation, otherwise change then. Then he’ll have had 3 seasons and it’ll be more justified IMO
You are making a big assumption that ETH wants a streamlined role. Hint: he does not.
shut up
Let me explain something to you. History, as written, was not inevitable, it was not preordained.
Alex Ferguson in 1990 was as deserving of United fans patience and loyalty as ten Hag is now. He'd just finished 13th and won the FA Cup, his signings hadn't worked and he appeared to be struggling. United fans had no knowledge of the success he might bring, he was just the bloke who had managed United for 3 pretty uninspiring seasons. Alex Ferguson got loyalty from some, but by no means all, fans. Luckily for us he also got it from the people making the decisions at the club, but the future was as uncertain then as the it is now.
The board made a decision then to trust a manger who had just finished 13th and won the FA Cup, it turned out to be the correct one, but they didn't know it at the time and it was far from certain that it was.
Ten Hag’s had more success in his first two years than Klopp did in his first three and more than Arteta has in his whole managerial career at Arsenal. It would be incredibly short-sighted and foolish for United to consider getting rid of him.
Yeah I mean you don't get a free pass because you're "dutch and stubborn" though, you get fecking fired for incompetence if it works out that way. And being able to mathematically scrape top 4 after 27 games isn't some feather in the cap, especially considering every underlying metric was, again, relegation standard or at best mid table. We were lucky to be where we were at the EOY, not the other way arround
I think people are giving him far too much credit and for the life of me I can't understand why (apart from winning a couple domestic cups). The amount of top level, comprehensive performances we've had in his 2 years here can probably be counted on one hand, and I'm not sure a single one would be chosen from this past year (even our best scorelines were often flattering us). As I've said before, I'd understand the sentiment of "give him a chance under new structure" far more if we'd seen the fruits of the past two years come to fruition with glimpses of brilliance, but we really haven't. It's been a lot of scraping results, getting outplayed by god awful teams, and the occasional embarassing hammering, and especially post Newcastle final it's been steadily downhill performance wise regardless of the opposition or our own XI.
Good WUM here.
Every other important role within the new structure has changed, so why shouldn't the manager? They never hired him, and the club is still far off from where it needs to be despite the two trophies won. Look at how City upgraded from Pellegrini to Guardiola for example.
I think if UTD sack ETH now it will continue the cycle where the players get off scot free with another poor season and "go again" under new management. Its obvious that a clearout still needs to happen but we need to start buying decent players where effort comes first and then move from there. For all the negativity there is the start of something in place with Kobe, Hoijlund and Garnacho. If we can add players that are hard working and willing to give all for the badge to support those three we might become more consistent and then pay the money for the stardust..... too many times I have seen some of the current squad phone it in. I would keep ETH but transfers need to be a consensus of a group and not driven by ETH.
It's quite entertaining to see you and some United fans on this forum upset and having a meltdown despite the team winning the FA Cup. It’s even more hilarious considering that Ten Hag is likely, and rightfully, set to stay for another season.
If a Pep standard manager was available everyone would be up for the change.
But the manager market is so poor and in my view there's no one available that gets me mildly excited.
Changing the manager just to change him makes no sense to me.
Give me an option like ancellote or some other top top manager then I understand the change.
ETH is not Sir Alex, Sir Alex was not given 400m either to finish 13th, and no amount of time will turn ETH into SAF.
By that metric, we should not have sacked any of the previous managers.
I wish your last bit was correct but I do think we've seen the last game of his tenure at United
Keep throwing your tantrum because Ten Hag has won another trophy and is likely to remain as manager for another season.
Today was great, but if Ineos want him out then that's fine by me.
Sacking him doesnt need more justification. The only arguments against are emotional ones. Also, what if Ashworth wants to work with a different manager?
I am always an optimistic person and firmly believe that INEOS could reconsider their decision, even if it's already been made, and decide to keep Ten Hag for another season. There's always a possibility for a change of heart for the best interests of the team.
I definitely feel he should be given one more year; he had a very encouraging first season followed by an underwhelming second season (with plenty of mitigating factors.) On balance, he deserves at least one more season under a (hopefully) functional setup. As well, there aren't many inspiring replacements on the market.
Fergie wasn't given 400m because no one was spending anything near 400m at the time... But United spent quite a lot of money in the summer of 1989, with Pallister, Webb, Ince, Wallace and Phelan all arriving, a year sfter signing Leighton and Hughes.
So let me get this straight, You saw these tactics in pre season and thought they were decent and yet the guy implementing them went a whole season without using them until the last few weeks. And he should stay?
In the end we won the final playing pragmatically, the exact way he told Neville a few weeks ago that he doesnt want us to play.
Congrats to him that he found a way to win in the end but it should not have taken him a whole season to work this out. Get him out.
I dont care if you were "sack him", before. I don't care for "just one game" bullshit (it wasn't, we also had to miraculously beat Liverpool to get here).
He deserves to stay with this win! It was absolute miracle and he has to be given a chance of one more year.
Fans should riot if the idiots running this club will dare to go through with sacking him!
He deserves to stay with this win! It was absolute miracle and he has to be given a chance of one more year.
Fans should riot if the idiots running this club will dare to go through with sacking him!
Given how quickly many United fans change their opinions, it's entirely possible that INEOS might also reconsider their decision to sack Ten Hag (although this hasn't been confirmed yet) and choose to keep him for another season. Today echoes the 1990 story of Sir Alex, where winning the FA Cup marked a turning point in his career, a scenario that I believe is repeating itself with Ten Hag.Sacking him doesnt need more justification. The only arguments against are emotional ones. Also, what if Ashworth wants to work with a different manager?
Was it comparable to 400m ?? He spent a bit of money, bit I bet it was nothing like this.
The two things are not comparable at all.
It's hard for me to say. But the 2.3m we paid for Pallister was a british record and Ince cost something similar. So it was big money for the time.
I keep hearing/seeing this, but who's going to be available next year that would make this gamble worth it?
And its not changing a manager just to change, when the current manager finished 8th with a minus goal difference. I gave Ole a hard time and ETH has been a lot worse, some how.
They have kept the door open for that - they've always maintained in comments that "nothing would be decided and won't be until after the FA Cup", and Ten Hag certainly hadn't been told before the final. Given that we won deservedly and played quite well, I think there is a chance he gets another season.
If they do that, we need lots of defenders. Martinez can't be relied on to stay fit, Varane is leaving and the rest aren't good enough.
I can only assume the alcohol is making most of you forget the last 16 months of our form.
We came inches away from losing the FA Cup to Coventry despite leading 3-0. Yes today is a fantastic result and we should be celebrating the win, but we've had 16 months of grim football with dozens of terrible results and woeful football. If we don't sack him and then it rolls round to December and we're still playing crap football then what? Who will be available? Tuchel/Pochettino will not just sit on their hands hoping that we might come calling. The very real possibility of Southgate being appointed Manager becomes a very distinct possibility. No thanks.
Take the decent options now while they're available.
We came inches away from losing the FA Cup to Coventry despite leading 3-0. Yes today is a fantastic result and we should be celebrating the win, but we've had 16 months of grim football with dozens of terrible results and woeful football. If we don't sack him and then it rolls round to December and we're still playing crap football then what? Who will be available? Tuchel/Pochettino will not just sit on their hands hoping that we might come calling. The very real possibility of Southgate being appointed Manager becomes a very distinct possibility. No thanks.
Take the decent options now while they're available.
Exactly.
It was nothing compared to this. We were not even the highest spenders back then. It is just a stupid comparison, and it does not favour ETH.
Why should anyone sensible base their decision off of 1 match?
Except it would be Woodward levels of stupidity to base such a big decision on one game of football over, say, 60.
If he doesn't fit their plan of how they want to do things then im fine with moving him on. That would make sense. The league campaign and finishing 8th has so many caveats that it wouldn't be make or break for me. The Cup wins and last season and knowing it could have been much, much worse would be enough for me to back him if i basically believed in the system hes trying to play.
I just dont think any of the alternatives would have handled the season much better except maybe Tuchel. It was a nightmare scenario for an experienced coach for a lot of the season so it would have been too much for McKenna, that seems obvious. Pochettino fared much the same with a similar set of circumstances, except he wouldn't have gotten to a cup final, let alone won them. De Zerbi has struggled at times, teams look to have figured brighton out a bit this 2nd season. Injuries and low form of some players, fixture congestion were always going to take a toll, they did pretty well considering the circumstances. I feel like Iraola could easily be De Zerbi of the previous season and we'll get the less impressive 2nd season version of him. He'll probably be available if he continues to impress to be fair.
Tuchel would probably make best use of a pretty mediocre squad but i have no idea what kind of state the team would be in when he was gone in 2 years. He feels like he could be a bit destructive towards longer term aspirations. Or i'm just paranoid of the Mourinho esque vibes i get from the idea.
Goldfish memories come to mind.
true.
Edwards spoke about it in various interviews. What kept SAF in place was not Robins goal but his work behind the scenes. The club was building solid foundations and was winning. Some might say that United are doing the same. The U18s and the women team are a testament to that. However there's a solid counter argument to that as well including ETH's reluctance in switching tactics, his insistence on certain players etc. That's why we need top football people capable of taking the tough football decisions
This is neither a pro nor anti ETH post
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