Keep Him

Keep him?

  • Keep him!

    Votes: 425 53.3%

  • Nope, still has to go

    Votes: 371 46.5%
  • Total voters
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Same, was on the keep him side regardless of this match.
Needs to be given high aims for next season, top 3 in league (can't expect to be up there with city and arsenal yet), and preferably try to win EL too.
Needs to improve on away record.

Feels like there's just too much noise around his sacking, for it not to be true, which is a shame. Any manager coming to United, would've been victim of our 2 year managerial boom-bust cycle.
 
3 finals and 2 trophies in 2 seasons is not something to easily disregard. I do think we would’ve been at least 10 points better off in the league if it wasn’t for the injury crisis. We’re far too fickle these days and fall into the sensationalism of media narratives that he’s not good enough. Imo he’s earned another season in charge with INEOS taking control of recruitment this summer.
 
The problem I have is that it is looking more likely that our problems are down to him. It is clear from after the game that the players like him, so all talk of losing the dressing rooms seems false. So, that means the issues are football-related. He is either unable to properly motivate players, or tactically prepare them. Sure, he can do it when he has all players he wants, but he has shown when he does not have his first team he struggles. Admittedly, he has had awful injuries in key positions this season, but you want your manager to at least be able to weather the storm. I feel oddly confident that if our players are fit next season we will be ok, but the problem is when the chips are down he probably can't solve our problems.
 
At this point I don't think we're gonna sack him and that's ok. Winning the FA cup is enough considering how many injuries we've had. Next year is a big one, we need to start playing football for real if he wants to deliver
 
These petty emotions are why we haven't gone anywhere as a club in the last decade.
 
Dan_F said:
It’s not that the team needs to look “decent”. The team has been an absolute state. So bad in so many positions, and not just playing back ups, the back ups haven’t been fit. I think he’s been too stubborn but he clearly decided how he wants to play and won’t change, like he did in the first year.

It’s almost impossible to quantify what a new manager could do, but do I think Southgate and McKenna get us challenging city? Nope. McKenna gets eaten up by that dressing room, he couldn’t survive as a big part of the coaching team with a club legend above him, players leaking stuff against his coaching methods. Southgate is tactically as limited as they come. Never a United manager in a million years.

Can ten hag challenge city with the right players and team behind him, possibly. I’d let him build on what we achieved last year and write this one off.
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You see the bolded part that's what I agree with, I don't have an issue with people choosing to write off this season and give him an other one, there are pros and cons but I can get behind either. Where I have an issue is with the BS around injuries and justifying his tactical choices.
 
you might say that he:

- Has produced sublime footbal with Ajax
- Had some contribution [along with Overmanrs] in the development of promising young players there into excellent players, namely De Jong, De Licht
- Had United playing arguably their best football post Fergie, which lasted 3 or 4 months
- won a League Cup and an FA Cup

on the other hand:

- He's abysmal in the transfer market
- very often shows subpar in-game management
- Doesn't seem to know how he wants Utd to play after 2 full years here
- For the majority of this time here, the football wasn't better than the (general) dross we've been served under the previous managers.

This doesn't read like a manager I'd like to keep.
Sounds more like a manager I'd keep if I fail to find other, better alternatives, even though I have a lot of time and money in my hand as a Man Utd CEO.
Might as well sign Fellaini again if that's what we're like.
 
Complete knee-jerk. Would be insane to base such a decision on one match. Hopefully INEOS are less emotionally-driven than you lot.
 
hobbers said:
Because after a couple of losses the pressure cooker to sack him would immediately be at fever pitch.

Players never respond well to a manager on ice that thin.
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But that would happen new contract or not, I'm guessing you were thrilled when Rashford got the contract he did, and that Bruno should get a new one!
 
Far too many low points this season for me. I guess for some it's easy to forget these after a great performance and FA Cup win but I'm happy to roll the dice as I don't think it can get much worse than this in terms of the team performance this season.
 
I voted no. What a fecking day today was. But, this season has just been absolutely horrendous. I fear more of the same if he stays on.
 
Jev said:
Complete knee-jerk. Would be insane to base such a decision on one match. Hopefully INEOS are less emotionally-driven than you lot.
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Ratcliffe didn’t look like a man that was about to fire him to be fair when greeting him.
 
I just like him to be honest. Knowing Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund will get their chances to grow with the team. Knowing we'll continue to build around bruno, dalot and martinez. I'm just on board with the basic idea and structure of the team.
I think it was a spectacularly difficult job to succeed in over the last 2 years and while theres been very limited success i think he probably did well to keep the wheels from completely falling off.
I dont fancy any of the candidates to replace him for one reason or another either.
 
JPRouve said:
You see the bolded part that's what I agree with, I don't have an issue with people choosing to write off this season and give him an other one, there are pros and cons but I can get behind either. Where I have an issue is with the BS around injuries and justifying his tactical choices.
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Well it’s not BS about injuries. The reason you write the season off is because of the injuries and the depth of them. It’s not simple, there’s a lot for Ineos to figure out, for example why we’ve had the injuries.

I just think it’s really underestimated how much things have snowballed when you’re having to play the same 11 every game, and those 11 are already teenagers or playing out of position. You can’t make a single meaningful change off the bench in almost every game up till today. It was a mad situation that I don’t think any tactics could fix.
 
Jev said:
Complete knee-jerk. Would be insane to base such a decision on one match. Hopefully INEOS are less emotionally-driven than you lot.
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Exactly.

Can't do a u-turn based off one game where we were backs against the wall, parking the bus, 27% possession, and say this is a sign he should stay. The body of evidence to move on is overwhelming. And I think most importantly, it's pretty clear the decision has been taken and he is gone anyway. So these type of emotionally reactive threads don't mean anything It's necessary to move forwards.

At the same time, it is possible to be happy for him and enjoy the cup win, even while acknowledging that he hasn't been good enough and isn't the man to take the club forwards. I am celebrating today, delighted for a positive end to an absolute horror show of a season; and looking forward with optimism at what is to come in the future.

Virtually every opposition fan I know is praying that we decide to keep him based off this one game, because they all recognise he's a crap manager for Manchester United, and they are desperately hoping we keep him. That speaks volumes.
 
2 trophies in 2 seasons. It only makes sense to give him another season, but I suppose it gets muddled as we are now under new ownership and they usually want to bring in their own. The last thing we want to be is chels.

People are discounting our injuries. Its impossible to be consistent when you have 15 centreback pairings over a season. Not to mention without a single recognised left back.

He should be given another season, but the transfer window should be dictated as a group and not by the manager solely.
 
Sounds like he's gone with quotes like "if they don't me, I'll go and win trophies elsewhere"
 
Red in STL said:
But that would happen new contract or not, I'm guessing you were thrilled when Rashford got the contract he did, and that Bruno should get a new one!
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Managers contracts are nothing like players contracts though.

If Ineos keep him on next season they have to show somehow that they back him and believe in him. Even moreso now everyone knows they've tapped up half a dozen replacements.

It'd be impossible for Ineos to u-turn on sacking him now without a strong statement of their support and at least triggering his extension. Literally impossible.
 
He’s finished 8th. I’m glad the new owners are doing what they want to do. Let’s hope they know what they’re doing.
 
fecking standards are in the mud. No Manchester United team should ever finish 8th!
 
hobbers said:
Managers contracts are nothing like players contracts though.

If Ineos keep him on next season they have to show somehow that they back him and believe in him. Even moreso now everyone knows they've tapped up half a dozen replacements.

It'd be impossible for Ineos to u-turn on sacking him now without a strong statement of their support and at least triggering his extension. Literally impossible.
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If INEOS keep him they back him with buying the right players and support staff, that's all they need to do
 
DevilRed said:
2 trophies in 2 seasons. It only makes sense to give him another season, but I suppose it gets muddled as we are now under new ownership and they usually want to bring in their own. The last thing we want to be is chels.

People are discounting our injuries. Its impossible to be consistent when you have 15 centreback pairings over a season. Not to mention without a single recognised left back.

He should be given another season, but the transfer window should be dictated as a group and not by the manager solely.
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It’s unreal how many of our supporters don’t factor this into the season at all. It’s a similar message from bellends like Shearer and other ABU media who simply disregard the injuries as well.
 
Dan_F said:
Well it’s not BS about injuries. The reason you write the season off is because of the injuries and the depth of them. It’s not simple, there’s a lot for Ineos to figure out, for example why we’ve had the injuries.

I just think it’s really underestimated how much things have snowballed when you’re having to play the same 11 every game, and those 11 are already teenagers or playing out of position. You can’t make a single meaningful change off the bench in almost every game up till today. It was a mad situation that I don’t think any tactics could fix.
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It's BS because the team that you have today was available for the entirety of our bad periods at the exception of maybe Martinez and even then we had good alternatives in Maguire, Evans and Lindelof. In the past weeks he has tweaked our system and went with a more conservative double pivot which was always the sensible approach even at full strength, that's the actual change we haven't welcomed new players.

And the reason I would write off the season is because I know that he is a good coach and while I now also know that he needs to be kept in check, it's something that Ashworth would have to do with any other head coach anyway. Also an other reason that I mentioned is that Ashworth and Wilcox may need more time to assess the team and keeping ETH could be the most prudent approach.
 
If he stays he better learn from that today. Pack the midfield. You can't win the game if you can't compete in the middle
 
Garethw said:
fecking standards are in the mud. No Manchester United team should ever finish 8th!
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Firstly, what divine right does any team have to finish better than 8th, secondly, aren't you glad the SAF didn't get sacked 'cos he finished in 11th
 
Still has to go. People are letting their emotions cloud their judgement after winning the cup. Once the celebrations are over we’ll look back and remember what a disaster this season was. Fair play to him today though, played the perfect match and got the tactics spot on. Too little too late though but at least he can leave on a high.
 
arnie_ni said:
If he stays he better learn from that today. Pack the midfield. You can't win the game if you can't compete in the middle
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Today is brilliant, and he deserves it. Got it tactically perfect.

Unfortunately, our problems were obvious from the very first game of the season. We saw our midfield empty and strolled through almost every week since. You need to react to that a little bit sooner than May if you're managing a club with any aspirations.
 
Jev said:
Complete knee-jerk. Would be insane to base such a decision on one match. Hopefully INEOS are less emotionally-driven than you lot.
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I've backed him all year, I still think he should have a season more just due to firstly the fact we have new owners coming in, and we had a terrible run of injuries basically our whole defence changed on a game basis.
 
Garethw said:
fecking standards are in the mud. No Manchester United team should ever finish 8th!
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Correct, but why are we 8th?

Our biggest sin lies with recruitment, and ETH takes some blame there himself. With the new structure hopefully we'll kick on. That's why clubs like Madrid are successful regardless to who's managing them.
 
Irwin99 said:
Not the 'no style of play' stuff again. You can say, like i have, that it's been a crap plan all season and he deserves to go and I have no problem with that, but he clearly has a game plan, it just hasn't worked (...due to it being a terrible plan or not having the players is another argument). I can't be bothered to go through this again! :lol:

And the McKenna opinion is based on the idea that we probably will go through a big rebuild and there will be calls for time and patience, which will be understandable. My point is, EtH has actually done some good stuff with his own rebuild in some respects with the likes of Dalot, Mainoo, and Garnacho in particular. If we're all going to be calling for patience with McKenna it seems a bit weird to just ignore the good aspects of EtH's own rebuild (young players emerging and two trophies in two seasons) and the fact that we haven't pleaded much patience in his case.

If the decision is based on, 'we want a manager that gets us top 4 and nothing else will do' then fair enough I suppose.
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You can't be bothered to defend his style of play because there isn't one. Emery, howe and ange have shown how one can be achieved even through injuries.
 
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