Keane on Haaland

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Don't know - do you?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not for certain...name one potential case tho, where you can't give the player the benefit of the doubt..

Or where the player in question has stupidly admitted to such
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Isn't it a little premature to say Keane's tackle was premeditated?

It's entirely possible that he might have seen Haaland, decided he'd waited long enough, and hammered him. Not premeditated at all, but a reaction brought on by anger bubbling to the surface.

I haven't read a comment along the lines of "I planned it for 3 years, waited till the time was right and the position was right, then crunched the fecker's knee."
 
Originally posted by nickm:
<strong>&gt; Sir Alex, when he started his managerial
&gt; career, was player-manager for for some minor
&gt; Scottish club...Sir Alex put himself on with
&gt; one sole purpose - to get that player. This is
&gt; a story from his own book - didn't stop the
&gt; club keeping him on as a manager.

No, it didn't, because football was a considerably more violent, physical game than it is now. The context today is completely different. Plus there's an enormous difference between a minor Scottish club and the biggest, most high-profile, written-about bleeding club on the planet.

I supported Keane over Ireland, I've supported him over Shearer but I cannot support him over the Haaland business. My loyalty is ultimately to the Club over and above its players - no matter who they are, and Keane is plain wrong and out of line here.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I certainly thought that what he did then was a bit much. Bad tackle, premeditated etc. But that was then. I would like to see the full context in which these extracts are taken. If it is boatsfull then he is wrong again and I would be very surprised at him for euphimising his outrageous 'tackle'. However, if he is being remorseful and what we are getting is the 'as it happened' description of something he regretts then I feel the guy is being sold short at the moment.
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The FA can fine him but they cannot ban him. If the same rules for discipline as in rugby then Keane has already been disciplined.....its like a double jeopardy rule.

As for a legal battle, Keano may have a bigger problem. Unless what he said to the writer was misinterpreted. These guys make tapes of conversations. If its damning, I suggest he conveniently misplace them. However, on the hand it could clear him as well.

Are these people that write the biographies STUPID! Writing about contoversy and scandal is one thing to sell a book BUT writing stuff that could get a guy in legal problems, is just IDIOTIC. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

To hell with this - and forward to a trophy winning season. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
davo you have taken over the whole thread mate

your a pool supporter why you so worried mate?

closet red?

i think so
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>davo you have taken over the whole thread mate

your a pool supporter why you so worried mate?

closet red?

i think so</strong><hr></blockquote>

That was constructive...
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Originally posted by Davo:
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That was constructive...</strong><hr></blockquote>

maybe not but its true

your just trying to stir shit mate
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Who else has let a feud wind them up so much that they plan to go out and injure a player with a cowardly tackle?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Plenty of players through the years I bet, it's just not published in a book.

And let's get off the high horse. We see plenty of tackles every week in football that are way over the line, where the offender must have known that the tackle is very likely to cause an injury (for instance two-footed tackles like your own 'hard-man' Gerrard have had his fair share of). That's why there are players getting sent off with straight red cards. Intent is part of why they're sent off.

I don't think what keano did was right. But he HAS been punished for it...
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Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
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You're right - Keano is unique - but all midfield generals have gone over the top at some stage.

Haman does it regularly enough</strong><hr></blockquote>

If it were a one off rash tackle then I'd agree..

But it wasn't, it was a premeditated act of revenge against a player Keane hates...he purposedly attempted to injure another player..
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Maybe Viera could sue Gerard as well for the tackle. After all - he could have been thinking - "I 'll sort him out in the first 10 minutes with some crunching tackles"
But we will never know what Gerard thought at that moment.....
Happens all time in football, yet everyone is surprised because someone admitted it....

How about the tackle on Irwin by Mr PSV Eindhoven. How about Owen lunging at Scmeichel. How about Duschler's tackle on Beckham......I am sure there are plenty of other examples of incidents by other players on players from other teams.
Any one of these could have been career-ending and we will never know what any of these players thought before they went in.....

No I dont condone Keane's action but lets not act all surprised and sanctimonious......
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Originally posted by Davo:
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If it were a one off rash tackle then I'd agree..

But it wasn't, it was a premeditated act of revenge against a player Keane hates...he purposedly attempted to injure another player..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why premeditated? Aren't you pre-judging based on your own prejudice? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by Divine:
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Plenty of players through the years I bet, it's just not published in a book.

And let's get off the high horse. We see plenty of tackles every week in football that are way over the line, where the offender must have known that the tackle is very likely to cause an injury (for instance two-footed tackles like your own 'hard-man' Gerrard have had his fair share of). That's why there are players getting sent off with straight red cards. Intent is part of why they're sent off.

I don't think what keano did was right. But he HAS been punished for it...</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's a clear difference between losing your head/mistiming a tackle and purposely going after another player with the intent to "get him"...

If the roles were reversed and Haaland had done the same to Keane you'd be screaming for his head..
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Originally posted by Davo:
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If it were a one off rash tackle then I'd agree..

But it wasn't, it was a premeditated act of revenge against a player Keane hates...he purposedly attempted to injure another player..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Davo, have you ever played the game? We've all at some point lost our rag with someone during a game. You never want to actually hurt anyone badly but when you lose it to want to teach that person a lesson. Keane like any player will have been mightily relieved when Haaland got up.

I once went after a goalie when we next played his team. He'd gone through my knee cap in our previous match. I put him and the ball into the net from a corner. The goal was disallowed. Later I showed him my stitches and he chuckled that I'd been after revenge - good job too cos he was built like an out house.

:(

Not proud of it but it happens.
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Originally posted by Due South:
<strong>Maybe Viera could sue Gerard as well for the tackle. After all - he could have been thinking - "I 'll sort him out in the first 10 minutes with some crunching tackles"
But we will never know what Gerard thought at that moment.....
Happens all time in football, yet everyone is surprised because someone admitted it....

How about the tackle on Irwin by Mr PSV Eindhoven. How about Owen lunging at Scmeichel. How about Duschler's tackle on Beckham......I am sure there are plenty of other examples of incidents by other players on players from other teams.
Any one of these could have been career-ending and we will never know what any of these players thought before they went in.....

No I dont condone Keane's action but lets not act all surprised and sanctimonious......
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How many of those you mention are an act of revenge from a past incident?
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No player can be seen to be above the law and go around dishing out punishment on players he has a grudge with so Keane does deserve to be punished for that.

I admire Keanes passion for the game but he has got a serious attitude problem which had seemed to be more under control latterly.

I think Haaland could sue for the usual things people do in similar circumstances...loss of earnings/stress/trauma etc.

It is one thing to lose it during a game but it beggars belief Keane was daft enough to admit to it in a book...did nobody at OT look through it prior to publication? Madness.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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It is one thing to lose it during a game but it beggars belief Keane was daft enough to admit to it in a book...did nobody at OT look through it prior to publication? Madness.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very true..

What sort of advisors has he got?
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Originally posted by Davo:
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There's a clear difference between losing your head/mistiming a tackle and purposely going after another player with the intent to "get him"...

If the roles were reversed and Haaland had done the same to Keane you'd be screaming for his head..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course. I've been screaming for Haaland's head for years anyway... ;)

And not all ugly tackles are about "losing one's head". Players like Dennis Wise is well known for going after players he know wil get wound up by his nasty tackles. Often, an incident early in the game leads to an act of revenge later on - way after the players' heads should've cooled off.

I'm sure you know better than to suggest that this is a unique situation unprecedented in football history...
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong>No player can be seen to be above the law and go around dishing out punishment on players he has a grudge with so Keane does deserve to be punished for that.

I admire Keanes passion for the game but he has got a serious attitude problem which had seemed to be more under control latterly.

I think Haaland could sue for the usual things people do in similar circumstances...loss of earnings/stress/trauma etc.

It is one thing to lose it during a game but it beggars belief Keane was daft enough to admit to it in a book...did nobody at OT look through it prior to publication? Madness.</strong><hr></blockquote>

so how can he sue for loss of earnings when its his other knee that was injured

it was injured even before the united game
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Wrong

Who else has let a feud wind them up so much that they plan to go out and injure a player with a cowardly tackle?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ian Wright.
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Originally posted by Divine:
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Of course. I've been screaming for Haaland's head for years anyway... ;)

And not all ugly tackles are about "losing one's head". Players like Dennis Wise is well known for going after players he know wil get wound up by his nasty tackles. Often, an incident early in the game leads to an act of revenge later on - way after the players' heads should've cooled off.

I'm sure you know better than to suggest that this is a unique situation unprecedented in football history...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Its unique in the fact that there's no element of doubt as to the intent...
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Originally posted by Dans:
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Ian Wright.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah thats true..

And he was a complete cnut as well..

Wasn't there a question of racial abuse attached to that incident?
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Not for certain...name one potential case tho, where you can't give the player the benefit of the doubt..

Or where the player in question has stupidly admitted to such</strong><hr></blockquote>

Impossible to know, but it would be naive to think that no player have ever been after injuring another player before.

A few tackles sticks to mind:

- Wright on Schmeichel
- Hamann on Keano in the FA cup final
- Owen on Johnsen
- Gerrard on Boateng
- Whiteside on McMahon
- Vinny Jones on McMahon
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Its unique in the fact that there's no element of doubt as to the intent...</strong><hr></blockquote>

so lets sue paul bosvelt as well yea after what he did to irwin
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Yeah thats true..

And he was a complete cnut as well..

Wasn't there a question of racial abuse attached to that incident?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Even if there was it doesn't justify it does it?
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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so lets sue paul bosvelt as well yea after what he did to irwin</strong><hr></blockquote>

RUDDY even you have to admit that admitting he went out with the express intention of injuring Haaland puts this apart from even such a horrific tackle as that by Bosvelt on Irwin. Surely?
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Impossible to know, but it would be naive to think that no player have ever been after injuring another player before.

A few tackles sticks to mind:

- Wright on Schmeichel
- Hamann on Keano in the FA cup final
- Owen on Johnsen
- Gerrard on Boateng
- Whiteside on McMahon
- Vinny Jones on McMahon</strong><hr></blockquote>

You've got to give players the benefit of the doubt in such a serious allegation..

Apart from Keane, obviously, as we know he meant it..
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Originally posted by Davo:
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No it doesn't..

The question wasn't linked with justification...</strong><hr></blockquote>

So what does your question have to do with this thread Davo?
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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so lets sue paul bosvelt as well yea after what he did to irwin</strong><hr></blockquote>


This isn't just the case of the bad tackle tho is it?

Its the fact that he went out to "do" Haaland....even had the "sense" to wait till 5 mins before the end of the game...
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Originally posted by Dans:
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So what does your question have to do with this thread Davo?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nothing really...I was simply thinking back to the incident and trying to remember the details..

Is that ok?
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Originally posted by Davo:
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This isn't just the case of the bad tackle tho is it?

Its the fact that he went out to "do" Haaland....even had the "sense" to wait till 5 mins before the end of the game...</strong><hr></blockquote>

. . .and then the "genius" to give the lawyers a written confession.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Nothing really...I was simply thinking back to the incident and trying to remember the details..

Is that ok?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You'll forgive me for thinking that you might have gone off on one about Schmeichel.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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You'll forgive me for thinking that you might have gone off on one about Schmeichel.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not at all...as you said, it wouldn't have justified Wright's lunge at him...

Getting a bit ahead of yourself there..
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