Kalidou Koulibaly | Signs new contract.

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Out of curiosity which defender do you think could become as good as him please?
Erick Bailly. he's strong, aggressive, has good anticipation. the only thing he's lacking are heading and concentration which lead to him being prone to mistakes. All of these things can be improved with a good coaching and a good defensive partner to play with him. Koulibaly was a nobody when at Bailly's age, Sarri did a good job on him.
 
Erick Bailly. he's strong, aggressive, has good anticipation. the only thing he's lacking are heading and concentration which lead to him being prone to mistakes. All of these things can be improved with a good coaching and a good defensive partner to play with him. Koulibaly was a nobody when at Bailly's age, Sarri did a good job on him.

I was hoping you'd say Eric Bailly. I liked him since he came here. Thanks for informing me on what Koulibaly used to be like at that age.

Think we need a better coach to get Bailly to that level. I thought that would have been Jose as his teams used to have decent defensive records.
 
Played well last night. Showed his pace and power against Salah a few times. I wouldn't fault him for the goal either. He has to cover the inside because showing Salah inside onto his left would be moronic. He showed him down the right side as he should and frankly the keeper has had a mare. You have to accept that over 5 yards Salah is one of the quickest players on the planet.

He'd be an obvious upgrade on what we have now, but god knows what price Napoli would put on him. He might not even want to join as Napoli will probably get into the CL again next season and we won't.
Well put. For the goal Salah has a headstart because the left-back was posted missing yet again. And then Koulibaly does the right thing and shows him wide enough and onto his weaker side and, ultimately, his shot was no more challenging to deal with than a passback but Ospina gambled on a cross that never came.

Got to look at it in the round and recognise the strength of the rest of his performance last night and in the other Champions League ties, on top of his relentlessly solid portfolio in Serie A for several years now.
 
I didn't watch the game but the people that I spoke to who did, were saying he played very well.
 
For his sake, I wouldn’t sign for Manchester United. Too good for us.

A lot can change in 6 months. This time last season Arsenal looked the same as us now. Look at them now. Amazing what a change in Manger CAN bring if you get the decision right
 
Understand people don't want Jones gone because he made a mistake against Chelsea. People want Jones to go because he's poor technically, too rash, cannot stay on his feet and is always injured etc . It's bizzare to compare the level of criticism

No. There were no posts complaining about that when he was playing well last season. As soon as he made a mistake in a big game against Chelsea there was nothing but posts saying people want him gone and not to start for us again
 
You just know if Utd sign this guy that after 3 games,Jose will bench him to try and make some sort of bizarre point,anyway,probably wont happen and we will instead probably get Cahill....
 
We can't agree on anything, can we? :D It was accurate enough, but it was slow and lofty - not unlike Smalling's, imo. From what others tell me, it's normally a strength of his.

I saw him play good long passes with both feet which is what Smalling doesnt tend to try. He did take his time on the ball a bit but I thought his passing was good.
 
What's the mistake? a mistake if I'm not wrong is an error, tell me what he should have done instead? by your definition every defender makes mistakes every game when these superstars pitch cause they average big numbers in dribbles per game. I've seen every superstar defender get done in that sort of situation.

His actual mistake was letting Mane slip away from him in the 75 minute. Also not noting that all of this happened in a match where the left back had a mare and he spent virtually the whole match covering him and doing so brilliantly is backward thinking.

You even had the gall to claim Albiol had a better game which is nothing short of crazy talk.

He shouldnt have let a player past him without pressuring him. He tried to put his arm on him to do that and didnt get there. He let Salah go past him without a real challenge. Thats a mistake whether its Phil Jones or Vidic

I didnt say Albiol had a better game. I said he was about the same level but with less mistakes.
 
Koulibaly is good, but that goal is something Jones or Smalling would be castigated for. The mere fact that few are talking about the goal tells you everything you need know - the bias and the double standards towards our players compared to ones that doesn't play for us. If Jones or Smalling had dropped that performance, I'm convinced that every good defending that was done the whole game will be ignored and the goal will be entirely focused on.
Many have managed to convince themselves that top defenders don't make mistakes.

Yeah this is exactly my point. One mistake doesnt make a CB not great. Its about how often they make mistakes. Because even the best CBs in the world will have examples of a few mistakes, but if its 1 every 3 or 4 months its not the end of the world.

But that same logic needs to apply to our own players, not just the hyped up players we're linked to for mega money who people are assuming dont make the mistakes our current CBs do, just because they dont watch them play on a week to week basis.

If you watch us play every week for 10 weeks and see one of our CBs make a mistake 1 or 2 times, but watch one of the hyped up CBs we're linked to make a mistake in the 5 or so matches you see from them all season its the same rate. You are just watching us play far more often so it might seem more often if you don't really think about it.

And thats where the doubles tandard comes from. And its weird isnt it? That we're supposed to be Manchester United supporters, but we're more likely to shit on our own players for doing the same things players from other clubs do just because they dont play for us. So weird.
 
Don't see the point in signing him - if you look at this signing objectively, he's a decent defender but genuinely is he a massive improvement on what we have? I would say not.

We have two CBs (Bailly & Lindeloff) who are 24 and were very highly rated young players. Why not actually try and coach them because they have potential - both of these guys are 6ft 2, good enough on the ball and rapid (Bailly) and if we allow them to develop as players I think they can go on to form a strong partnership. Add Rojo, Smalling in there as capable backups and Tuanzebe as potentially better than all of them and CB isn't a problem area.

Mou bought both Bailly and Lindelof and then complained he didn't have the CBs he needed... that was never our problem. Our back four under him has mainly been an RW at RB, two CBs and a LW at LB (now at least Shaw is playing again) and zero protection to counter attacks in front. Even if we'd had prime Vidic/Rio we'd still have been shipping goals all over the shop.

We need an RW more than anything - would rather we ploughed all of our transfer budget into one amazing signing there than stocking up on more CBs.
 
Don't see the point in signing him - if you look at this signing objectively, he's a decent defender but genuinely is he a massive improvement on what we have? I would say not.

We have two CBs (Bailly & Lindeloff) who are 24 and were very highly rated young players. Why not actually try and coach them because they have potential - both of these guys are 6ft 2, good enough on the ball and rapid (Bailly) and if we allow them to develop as players I think they can go on to form a strong partnership. Add Rojo, Smalling in there as capable backups and Tuanzebe as potentially better than all of them and CB isn't a problem area.

Mou bought both Bailly and Lindelof and then complained he didn't have the CBs he needed... that was never our problem. Our back four under him has mainly been an RW at RB, two CBs and a LW at LB (now at least Shaw is playing again) and zero protection to counter attacks in front. Even if we'd had prime Vidic/Rio we'd still have been shipping goals all over the shop.

We need an RW more than anything - would rather we ploughed all of our transfer budget into one amazing signing there than stocking up on more CBs.

He's a lot better than what we have.

People are focusing on Salah's goal, forgetting that he was out of position following Mario Rui's mistake - so that feint did him in. Otherwise, he had a pretty solid match.
 
Paying 100M for this guy would be insane especially when we have a boy who can become as good. Koulibaly was prone to mistakes like Bailly before Sarri got an hand on him and improved him to the player he's today. We don't need another expensive defender, we need a manager who'll improve the talents we have; a good coaching will improve players like Smalling, Bailly and Lindelof; remember how good Smalling was under LVG coaching. Mourinho doesn't improve players that is the reason we seem to always need an improvement on all positions; I'm ready to bet that Koulibaly will come here, play good for 3 or 4 months and turn to shit like every Mourinho's signings.

Really, have you followed Kouilbaly's progression under Sarri? What tweaks did Sarri make to his game?

As for Smalling, his passing is very erratic, he has to turn the whole body to make a simple pass. He's just not a good footballer. He looked good under LVG, because the whole team was so defensive. And he's arguably our best CB, yet he's miles off KK.
 
He shouldnt have let a player past him without pressuring him. He tried to put his arm on him to do that and didnt get there. He let Salah go past him without a real challenge. Thats a mistake whether its Phil Jones or Vidic

I didnt say Albiol had a better game. I said he was about the same level but with less mistakes.

He was not marking Salah when he scored, Mario Rui was. Salah turned and ran into space, KK rushed to rectify his teammates mistake and was never set. In that situation it's much easier for a world class winger to go past you.
 
He was not marking Salah when he scored, Mario Rui was. Salah turned and ran into space, KK rushed to rectify his teammates mistake and was never set. In that situation it's much easier for a world class winger to go past you.

He was 1 vs 1
 
How do you know he is horseshit at football knowledge anyway? Because he wasn’t a pro footballer? Do you consider yourself to know horseshit about football too?

Anyway, according to most on this forum, Jose Mourinho seemingly knows nothing about football either, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.


If you even have to ask that means that you either dense or arguing in bad faith. Carry on defending Woodward.
 
Really, have you followed Kouilbaly's progression under Sarri? What tweaks did Sarri make to his game?

As for Smalling, his passing is very erratic, he has to turn the whole body to make a simple pass. He's just not a good footballer. He looked good under LVG, because the whole team was so defensive. And he's arguably our best CB, yet he's miles off KK.
Don't have time to type a lot of explanations, here are some link I got for you after a quick search on google :

http://blog.soccermanager.com/news/how-kalidou-koulibaly-has-improved-under-maurizio-sarri
https://www.football-italia.net/114586/koulibaly-‘sarri-made-me-better’

You don't need 2 CB who have good passing, no no, that's for purist like Guardiola, Vidic worked well with Rio. LVG team was not defensive but just didn't know how to attack and score(i'd say they lacked good creative players to support Martial) hence they kept the ball most of the time between midfielder and defense; the defense had to face wave after wave of counter attack and Smalling was praised for the imperial performances he was putting.
 
All koulibaly did wrong was assume salah would cut onto his left side. He showed him onto his right which was the right thing to do and salah improvised and it was good attacking play. Feck all to do with bad defending.
 
If you even have to ask that means that you either dense or arguing in bad faith. Carry on defending Woodward.

I’m dense. Because I suspect that the man in charge of running the biggest football club in the country may know a thing about running a football club, yet some no mark on the net doesn’t. Right.
 
If you think rushing to cover a mistake at the back without ever being set vs marking some 1 on 1 is the same thing, then there's nothing more for us to discuss.

Salah stops dead then goes again very quickly. Koulibaly buys the stop but doesnt react to the instant restart of movement. Its 1 vs 1 and he got burnt by Salah's quick change of movement speed from stopped to going again.

He is not covering the left back, that would be outside the box. He's covering his own responsibility and Salah tricks him
 
I’m dense. Because I suspect that the man in charge of running the biggest football club in the country may know a thing about running a football club, yet some no mark on the net doesn’t. Right.

Admittance is the first step to recovery, good on you lad.
 
A lot can change in 6 months. This time last season Arsenal looked the same as us now. Look at them now. Amazing what a change in Manger CAN bring if you get the decision right

100% agree. My comment was more about signing him in January. If we’re really after him, I reckon we have a good chance of getting him in January as they’re out of the CL!
 
Salah stops dead then goes again very quickly. Koulibaly buys the stop but doesnt react to the instant restart of movement. Its 1 vs 1 and he got burnt by Salah's quick change of movement speed from stopped to going again.

He is not covering the left back, that would be outside the box. He's covering his own responsibility and Salah tricks him

And it happens to the best of players. It happened to Vidic vs Eto. I can post countless clips where great defenders have been left for dead by attackers. If we looking for players that make 0 mistakes then we won’t be finding any. What we need is a defender who keeps mistake as a minimal, can defend and isn’t injured always. This guy keeps mistakes at a minimal.
 
And it happens to the best of players. It happened to Vidic vs Eto. I can post countless clips where great defenders have been left for dead by attackers. If we looking for players that make 0 mistakes then we won’t be finding any. What we need is a defender who keeps mistake as a minimal, can defend and isn’t injured always. This guy keeps mistakes at a minimal.

As I keep saying, 1 mistake doesnt mean you arent a great CB. Its about how often. But this was 1 mistake which some people cant seem to accept.
 
100% agree. My comment was more about signing him in January. If we’re really after him, I reckon we have a good chance of getting him in January as they’re out of the CL!

Why? He'd be cup tied anyway.

Can't see him leaving until the summer at the earliest.
 
Who cares about cup tied anyway? Not like we going to go far with Jose in charge.
 
No, he won't be. The cup tie rule has been abolished.

No it hasn't. He can't play for Napoli and another team in the same competition in the same season.

What changed is you can now play in CL if you had previously played in Europa before Christmas at previous club and vice versa.

So he would be CL cup tied for us if we got him basically.
 
Inter and Napoli both out.

Just curious for the Serie A watchers:

1) who would be better for us out of Koulibaly and Skriniar?
2) who would be easier to attain? Would there even be a chance in January?
Koulibaly, probably Skriniar, No
 
Even Duncan Castles recently said in his podcast this transfer isn't happening, and he's the one who started the Koulibaly-to-United garbage in the first place. I doubt James Robson knows any more than Castles on the subject.
 


Sell 3 to sign one? - How does that solve anything We get a new CB but leaves us with less numbers. In a team that is always gets injuries.

Jones should be sold. We should be looking for £15-20M.
 
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