Liverpool have had van Dijk for 1 season as he transferred last January. So, if we sign Koulibaly this Jan, we'd have signed a player 1 year older (in terms of at the time of transfer).
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Yeah my bad. Expect this deal to happen in the Summer rather than January so thats where my other half season came from.
End of the day, we're in a desperate situation because our CBs are shite. Every club knows this and can fleese us for more money.
That situation will arguably only get worse in the summer, so hopefully we can sign a top tier CB in Jan (highly unlikely). It'd be interesting to see if Napoli are simply going to say no to this transfer in January, or whether they have a fee in mind that they would do business. If it's the latter, then it'll come down to whether the board back Mourinho with the best players like Woodward briefed the media he would with a £100m move for Varane last summer, as Koulibaly's quality won't be in question.
With benitez he often treated the ball like it was made of lava. 6 months with Sarri and he was bringing the ball up out of defence like Franco Baresi...
Kouliably. £100M for 5 years service = £20M/season.
De Ligt. £100M for 13 years service = £7.7M/season
De Ligt. £100M for 13 years service = £7.7M/season
Bailly should not be allowed to leave, think there is a great player there somewhere.
But if this guy is buyable we should buy him.
The three of them are the ones who are worst for injuries. Smalling and Lindelof don't normally get injured too often (yes I know they are both currently injured).
The reality is that even if we wanted to we wouldn't be able to sell all three in January, so whoever is left would do until next season when Tuanzebe comes back.
Bailly has the potential to be top player. Jones-Smalling got a decade to prove themselves.
I'm willing to give Bailly-Lindelof more time.
Plus, Smalling, Jones contract ends in 2019. Bailly's contract ends in 2020. We should activate the option and sell them to get profit on all of these 4.
Antonio Valencia*
Phil Jones*
Chris Smalling*
Matteo Darmian*
*Option of an additional year.
Jones and Rojo can go. Will fetch 50m.
Use it for Koulibaly.
Koulibaly, Smalling,Bailey ,Lindeloff ,Tuanzube as our options .
Use it for Koulibaly.
Koulibaly, Smalling,Bailey ,Lindeloff ,Tuanzube as our options .
5 Centre Backs is far too many. We should have 3 only. 5 is inefficient.
In an emergency, use a utility player eg Matic/Dalot, or a youngster from the youth team.
This is the way. But I would have Tuanzube ahead of Smalling in the pecking order now.
We could play 3 at the back.
Smalling is our best defender now.
Most consistent atleast.
Jesus Christ.
Now I understand why 3 different ages were mentioned. Got me confused for a bit. I personally think we will get 4 good years out of him.
No way. Who would be stupid enough to buy them for that much (Everton?!) . If we can get 25-30m for the both of them, I'll be surprised.
Preach!
So funny people defending him that it wasn't his fault for that 1v1 against Salah. If Jones makes that mistake, he'd be slated here for pages. (Not comparing Jones with Kouilbaly - just pointing out the obvious bias as it was clearly poor defending)
Do you think both are on the same level right now? I do think they'd both improve our defence, but I'm not sure it's fair to ask a 19 year old to come in and take charge/become our defensive lynch pin. I don't doubt his ability to do a good job for us, I just worry about the impact of the pressure.
What make you think De Ligt is going to stay here for 13 years ?
Come on guys,I was hardly being subtle.
One reason I would go for Koulibaly is he is arguably one of the best 3 players in the world, dont know whether he will be available or not. I am of opinion if you get the chance to sign a top 3 player in their position in an area where are severely lacking, we should go for it.
Especially as we have the cash available another plus is that if Jose goes the next next manager will want him as he us that good.
Especially as we have the cash available another plus is that if Jose goes the next next manager will want him as he us that good.
Outside of Stam and Vidic, I'm struggling to think of any successful defenders we signed from abroad who had no previous Premier League experience (and even Vidic struggled the first few months).
Splashing £100 million on a defender who has never played in the Prem seems excessive to me and a gamble that could go wrong too, pretty sure with some good negotiation skills we could get both Maguire and Alderweireld for £100 million, both with extensive Prem experience.
Splashing £100 million on a defender who has never played in the Prem seems excessive to me and a gamble that could go wrong too, pretty sure with some good negotiation skills we could get both Maguire and Alderweireld for £100 million, both with extensive Prem experience.
Do you mean now or in summer? Now I think Spurs would want 50m for Alderwiereld even if they were going to sell, I think Leicester waould ask stupid money like 80m for Maguire
He is not going to leave for free either. Anyways, I don't think that he is what we need now. So that discussion is not relevant.
Explains what a manager can get out of a player. This is why I feel our defenders will step up many levels under a manager who is willing to play and force things rather than wait and wait and wait for mistakes. Lindelof, bailly will improve under a different manager.
I'll be content with both, as they're both great CBs but I prefer Koulibaly because I think we have enough of "potentially good in future" kind of CBs. We need more of someone who is great now.
Pretty much, when competition gets higher we will see flaws in his game in this league as well specially under such reactive defensive tactics.
One is a world class and one is not.
Who do you think that we need the most in this current situation?
By mentioning these name Lindelof, Tuanzebe, Bailly, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, I think we know the answer.
Too expensive, mourinho makes you believe we need a signing just because others have had them too but I think we should be spending that kind of cash on players in the midfield and go for a cheaper option in defense since we will have much of the ball under a different manager. When players like erikson run their contracts down the kitty could be handful then, or even de jong and many other talents are going to be available pretty soon. Even calling back tuanzebe or fosumensah could help out this defense for 6 months or toby could be a cheaper option who is pl proven.
I'd be buying De Ligt. More potential as a leader.
For our current scenario, Koulibaly would be a better fit than De Ligt. We are all over the place in defense and we need someone who can straight away dominate the box and be an all action defender. De Ligt would do better in a side that is already well coordinated like City.
At least say something constructive. Axel is having a good season at Villa and is much better on the ball than Smalling. I think after almost a decade of Smalling and his awful distribution, he has had enough time to prove himself. He is responsible for our abysmal build up from the back.
£50 Million
You just need to go back to our last game to prove this wrong.
Yeah precisely my point.
Remind me how much was everton quoting Rojo in summer?£50 Million
Yes, you are right and people think we wouldn't get 20m for an England national where the likes of Ibe is going for 15m ?
50m is very much a realistic fee for both of them .
Did Everton pay the 28 million for Rojo in the end ?
No,and do you know why ? because no freaking sane club would spend such a amount on a bang average CB.
And this is where United will continue to have problems getting rid of their deadwood.Pricing them over their abilities, while also getting the player to agree to lower his income.
No,and do you know why ? because no freaking sane club would spend such a amount on a bang average CB.
And this is where United will continue to have problems getting rid of their deadwood.Pricing them over their abilities, while also getting the player to agree to lower his income.
Jones has 6 months left.... we'd get 6/7 million for him. Maybe 12/15 for Rojo
I'd take that money and sack Jose
3 duds out with one swoop
I'd take that money and sack Jose
3 duds out with one swoop
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