Kalidou Koulibaly | Signs new contract.

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Sell 3 to sign one? - How does that solve anything We get a new CB but leaves us with less numbers. In a team that is always gets injuries.

Jones should be sold. We should be looking for £15-20M.[/QUOTE]
You accidentally put an 'M' after the £15-20 in your last comment mate ;)
 
Jig1234 said:


Sell 3 to sign one? - How does that solve anything We get a new CB but leaves us with less numbers. In a team that is always gets injuries.

Jones should be sold. We should be looking for £15-20M.
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Jones and Rojo don’t count as players for all that they are available. A reliable centre half would be fit and available for more games than those 3 put together
 
Utd wont be signing anyone in January because Woodward doesnt think there is anyone better out there than what we have already got......
 
While i am not a fan of signing him at the rumored price tag, we can debate age, price tag, favorite food and any of several other topic.

The only thing that is undebatable is his quality as a 1v1 defender. He is probably the best 1v1 CB in the game today, as I cant think of a CB thats better.

Defending 1v1 is by nature reactive, as the attacker has control of the ball, and given enough attempts, will get past the defender. Salah's goal is credit to salah and failure of GK. Koulibaly's performance in that game was as good as it gets.

Anyone that doubts Koulibaly's quality should stick to watching badminton
 
Jig1234 said:


Sell 3 to sign one? - How does that solve anything We get a new CB but leaves us with less numbers. In a team that is always gets injuries.

Jones should be sold. We should be looking for £15-20M.
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The three of them are the ones who are worst for injuries. Smalling and Lindelof don't normally get injured too often (yes I know they are both currently injured :annoyed: ).

The reality is that even if we wanted to we wouldn't be able to sell all three in January, so whoever is left would do until next season when Tuanzebe comes back.
 
Mourinho expects Koulibaly or someone of that caliber to magically transform our tactics and style of play. Despite conceding so many goals, we've been struggling in front of goal. Spending 100m on a single player whose 27 and will probably be at his best for a couple more years is one of the most stupidest decisions Ed could take.

Jones and Rojo have got to leave but losing Bailly would be the dumbest decision..... even dumber than spending 100m for Koulibaly.

Any other manager would be able to work wonders with our current squad. Can we get a caretaker manager like what Chelsea and Bayern did with Hiddink and Heynkes respectively? before we go all out for Poch.
 
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Will Koulibaly improve Lukaku's first touch?
 
We will regret big time if we ever sell off Bailly. This guy is going to be great. Hope Ed intervenes and veto the deal. Letting go Rojo and Jones are fine
 
SATA said:
We will regret big time if we ever sell off Bailly. This guy is going to be great. Hope Ed intervenes and veto the deal. Letting go Rojo and Jones are fine
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Totally agree with this and and am really hope Baily stays. Liked him when he first came here and thought he was a star in the making. Hope he fulfils his potential here and not somewhere like Arsenal. Be happy to let other too go as they are both injury prone and Jones is capable of seeing red and injuring himself and other player when his head goes.
 
roonster09 said:
No, likewise DoF can't buy pair of balls to Jose.
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He can't but hopefully he'll piss him enough to force him to leave.

Seriously mate, if you don't see anything wrong with our present setup then I have nothing more to add. If you ask me, we spend too much on players both in terms of fees and salaries, we allow the managers to take us for a ride by bringing in talent who aren't up for grabs and we struggle massively to remove deadwood. This had been an issue long before SAF retired but grew worse under Moyes, LVG and especially Mourinho.
 
devilish said:
He can't but hopefully he'll piss him enough to force him to leave.

Seriously mate, if you don't see anything wrong with our present setup then I have nothing more to add. If you ask me, we spend too much on players both in terms of fees and salaries, we allow the managers to take us for a ride by bringing in talent who aren't up for grabs and we struggle massively to remove deadwood. This had been an issue long before SAF retired but grew worse under Moyes, LVG and especially Mourinho.
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I see lot of wrongs in our set up, that was just a tongue in cheek comment. Anyways Jose will leave after this season, I have made my peace with that, so not going on a big rant often.
 
Eric's Seagull said:
Would glady take this
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He probably would. Mou had issues with Emenalo, he had issues with Valdano and the only person he grew fond off was Branca ie Moratti's favourite 'son'.whom he had to work with whether he liked it or not. They did had a share of skirmishes btw and Mourinho stayed with Inter for just 2 years so all this talk of Inter being family isn't really backed up by facts. Id say lets bring Emenalo as DOF and Carniero as doctor. Both are very valid people who would piss the special one greatly by their mere presence. Hopefully that would be enough for him to leave.
 
devilish said:
He probably would. Mou had issues with Emenalo, he had issues with Valdano and the only person he grew fond off was Branca ie Moratti's favourite 'son'.whom he had to work with whether he liked it or not. They did had a share of skirmishes btw and Mourinho stayed with Inter for just 2 years so all this talk of Inter being family isn't really backed up by facts. Id say lets bring Emenalo as DOF and Carniero as doctor. Both are very valid people who would piss the special one greatly by their mere presence. Hopefully that would be enough for him to leave.
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Sorry I dont have know much about either, but would be willing to do whatever it takes to get Jose and his toxic attitude out of the door. Then hopefully we can get back to competing for the big trophies. He just seems to love to p!ss off anybody and everybody if they don't conform to his narcisstic attitude.
 
Eric's Seagull said:
Sorry I dont have know much about either, but would be willing to do whatever it takes to get Jose and his toxic attitude out of the door. Then hopefully we can get back to competing for the big trophies. He just seems to love to p!ss off anybody and everybody if they don't conform to his narcisstic attitude.
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Couldn't have put it better myself!

A heavy loss to Liverpool this weekend may see the end come sooner than we think?
 
Eric's Seagull said:
Sorry I dont have know much about either, but would be willing to do whatever it takes to get Jose and his toxic attitude out of the door. Then hopefully we can get back to competing for the big trophies. He just seems to love to p!ss off anybody and everybody if they don't conform to his narcisstic attitude.
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I think that deep down he knows he messed up big time, which is why he's working so hard to deflect it on someone else being Woodward, the board or the players. You see football has very short memory. Even the best of managers might suddenly find themselves managing small clubs or out of job after 1-2 bad turns. Now Mourinho had struggled at Real, he was kicked out of Chelsea and is now set to be kicked out from Manchester United after spending 400m only to end up 8th. His career is built solely on instant success and that's something he had failed to produce at acceptable levels for a long time. I mean even at his best, you wouldn't sign Mourinho if you want to start producing world class youths or you're thinking long term wouldn't you?

Now if the blame falls squarely on him then this might be Mou's last job at a top club and those 20m might be the last big financial bump he'll get. This guy is literally fighting for his career.
 
Eric's Seagull said:
That is the problem with Woodward. He has far to much faith in his ability to judge players being better than what we have or not.
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Dont be so naive to think Ed judges players on ability and whether to sign them ...it is a board decision on whether funds are released for the players Mourinho wants......would you trust mourinho with more money? Mourinho buys team and doesnt build teams..he wants to buy established experienced players at inflated prices ....i would rather save funds for re-building programme under new manager.
 
yamo123x said:
Dont be so naive to think Ed judges players on ability and whether to sign them ...it is a board decision on whether funds are released for the players Mourinho wants......would you trust mourinho with more money? Mourinho buys team and doesnt build teams..he wants to buy established experienced players at inflated prices ....i would rather save funds for re-building programme under new manager.
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So you would rather the Glazers pocket all the clubs revenue and we don’t buy any of the worlds best players?

The richest club in the world should have nobproblem splashing 100m on a CB.
 
Negan said:
So you would rather the Glazers pocket all the clubs revenue and we don’t buy any of the worlds best players?

The richest club in the world should have nobproblem splashing 100m on a CB.
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It's really that simple for you in these times?
 
Inigo Montoya said:
It's really that simple for you in these times?
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Yep. I’m sick of seeing our rivals get these players over us.

If we don’t spend it, somebody like Chelsea will and that’s him gone.

I remember begging for us to sign Mane, Van Dijk, Otamendi, Mahrez and Fabinho. Instead we signed shite like Depay, Lindelöf, Mkhitaryan and Fred who don’t have the United mentality whatsoever.
 
Makalakalele said:
He is a beast don’t get me wrong but I don’t know why people are using the Liverpool game to prove how good he is. If Liverpool had their finishing boots on that day the score honestly should have and would have been 5-0
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Indeed. The man kept getting dragged out of position because of his daft left back who couldn't defend to save his life.

Also, the thread went mad when Salah scored. He did exactly what he was supposed to do in showing Salah to the line on his weak foot. The chance of Salah scoring on his weak foot at a tight angle is massively reduced. Keepers feck up considering it was literally kicked straight at him.

Another comment I saw on the goal was he should've done better against Salahs pace. Why the feck would you think that? There isn't one built 6ft player who has the acceleration of a fast 5ft 7in player. Now, Kalidou is actually faster than Salah but not over 5 yards.

Disclaimer; I'm not defending him because I want him to sign for us. I know nothing about him, that was the first time I've seen him play.
 
devilish said:
His career is built solely on instant success and that's something he had failed to produce at acceptable levels for a long time.
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I really get this point and although I am not a big lover of his pragmatism, I was initially willing to put up with it as I was expecting him to steady the ship and win us the league in his second season. It seems as if he can no longer live up to the legend that he has built up for himself.

devilish said:
I mean even at his best, you wouldn't sign Mourinho if you want to start producing world class youths or you're thinking long term wouldn't you?
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I think this is a big problem and I think some people thought he might adhere to our values and promote youth but that is clearly not his agenda. Now a days not everybody is after a quick fix and they can't all afford to waste eg £400m then when that doesn't work give the manager another £300m.

This is part of the reason why I think he would struggle at another club as his attitude is if they players he signs are not up to the mark, easy solution just try and persuade whoever is is in charge to give him X amount more hundred million and he will 'definitely' solve the problem, which clearly doesn't seem to be working.
 
yamo123x said:
Dont be so naive to think Ed judges players on ability and whether to sign them ...it is a board decision on whether funds are released for the players Mourinho wants......would you trust mourinho with more money? Mourinho buys team and doesnt build teams..he wants to buy established experienced players at inflated prices ....i would rather save funds for re-building programme under new manager.
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I agree with some of what you say. I think the decision on which players to buy should be out of Ed's hands, I think that power should really in the hands of a Director of Football, which I think we should bring in to asses the situation before we bring in a new manager.

I don't agree with with buy players for the here and now at stupid prices I would rather build for the future but this is what Jose does and the board new this before they hired him.

I would not trust Jose with any more money at all as I don't think it would be spent wisely.

I am not a lover of Woody or Jose.
yamo123x said:
i would rather save funds for re-building programme under new manager.
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Totally agree with this bit as long as a good Director of Football comes in and Woody stays away from from football matters or or I can see the same scenario of the last couple of years repeating itself.
 
yamo123x said:
Dont be so naive to think Ed judges players on ability and whether to sign them ...it is a board decision on whether funds are released for the players Mourinho wants......would you trust mourinho with more money? Mourinho buys team and doesnt build teams..he wants to buy established experienced players at inflated prices ....i would rather save funds for re-building programme under new manager.
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That's why it's imperative that we buy world class players (that could suit any team and manager). A player like Koulibaly would get into pretty much every team in the world, so he shouldn't be a problem for a new manager if Mourinho were to move on.
 
Getting Koulibaly this January or nxt summer does not have so much to do with his transfer fee. He is still relatively young for a CB at 28 and the club has shown time and time again that its not afraid of investing in players like that. We dont need to sell players to have money to invest.
We need to free up wage room though. Koulibaly will probably demand around 200k a week and thus we would have to get rid of at least Rojo and Darmian. If its supposed to happen in January which I dont see as realistic, that should be enough. With realistic I mean Koulibaly wanting to leave and Napoli agreeing to sell.
Darmian and Rojo should be doable though, Darmian already seems to have one foot out of the door and come January there will be enough PL-clubs with injuries hovering in the lower part of the table that would easily take a relatively young PL-proven Argentian NT defender off our hands.
If he wants to go is another matter of course.
Have a hard time seeing this happening in January though.
 
Still,100 million for a 28 year old CB ?
Think its absolutely mad irrespective of how good he is.
Liverpool got VVD at the perfect time and age yet here we are going after someone at the age of 29 who isn't exactly going to give us a good few years of service.Two good seasons at a max.
So,100 million for a 30 year old ? what a joke of a club.
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Still,100 million for a 28 year old CB ?
Think its absolutely mad irrespective of how good he is.
Liverpool got VVD at the perfect time and age yet here we are going after someone at the age of 29 who isn't exactly going to give us a good few years of service.Two good seasons at a max.
So,100 million for a 30 year old ? what a joke of a club.
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He’s less than one month older than Van Dijk :lol:
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Still,100 million for a 28 year old CB ?
Think its absolutely mad irrespective of how good he is.
Liverpool got VVD at the perfect time and age yet here we are going after someone at the age of 29 who isn't exactly going to give us a good few years of service.Two good seasons at a max.
So,100 million for a 30 year old ? what a joke of a club.
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They’re the same age :lol:
 
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