That also would have given us a clear run at Ronaldinho. Pretty sure Barca pivoted to him once they lost out on Beckham. Granted, it ended up working out well for us when we found a very promising younger winger to give #7 to.
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In the same way Sancho would be a luxury player for Chelsea . They are well-stacked up in the wing-play.
I've heard bits about how Maria wanted to sign Sancho but Lampard said no, just because he didnt want to use so much of their budget when it wasnt absolutely needed, but I've also heard that Sancho wanted United because of the prestige. By that i merely mean the number of fans and global attention the club have, and not results etc.
But it is all really speculation really, so no need to get butt-hurt in either direction. But there were very little substantial rumours on Sancho to Chelsea before in January and we have worked on getting in even since he played for City.
Think what's so frustrating about Chelsea's transfers so far this summer is the fact they're getting them wrapped up so early, while no doubt we will be doing our usual dithering and back and forth
How have they been able to get them all sorted so quickly? Wasn't Werner before the transfer window even opened?
Also how have they got all this money? I know they had the ban so have some stashed away but rumours now they're after a goalkeeper as well, just feels a lot of money in one hit, almost City esque.
How have they been able to get them all sorted so quickly? Wasn't Werner before the transfer window even opened?
Also how have they got all this money? I know they had the ban so have some stashed away but rumours now they're after a goalkeeper as well, just feels a lot of money in one hit, almost City esque.
Optics of that deal certainly seemed like we wanted to keep him but I think at that time Glazers needed the money we banked from Ronaldo's sale those were uncertain times financially for United we got straight up cash for him if I am not mistaken and I don't think we offered renewed contract anywhere near what Madrid was offering to Ronaldo either.
Can you post it again? I've watched Havertz for years now so would be interesting to see what you have written about him and how he would fit at Chelsea
They have a DOF of sorts and their cash flow isn't super dependant on waiting to see where they finish to be guaranteed sponsor payments. We were waiting on our final league place and Woodward/Judge like to negotiate over every single aspect of the deals which slows them down massively.
The transfer ban also coincided with them getting 100m for Hazard, so they haven't touched that combined with their usual revenue.
And most importantly, they both had release clauses
The money is there. Simple.
Morata plus hazard deal : 150m
Transfer ban year's budget plus this summer's budget. You can easily see how much there is already. They are also going to sell some players for stupid money I am assuming.
Yeah not sure why they're trying to force Sancho/Havertz comparisons, as you've pointed out above anything else they've picked the wrong player to use.
According to Bild, you've already bid 89m pounds/98m Euros and were neglected. Personally, I have the feeling you'll be surprised about the price. There will be little discount whatsoever. We still have more than two months to go. If Chelsea and United don't meet the demands, negotiations will take until October. Leverkusen and Dortmund have no interest in finalizing these deals quickly, but you have. And you've also got more to lose than us.
Our worst scenario is that already world class players stay another year at our club. Sure, the fee will be lower next year but then again the Corona-discount will be gone. But you guys will have fiercer competition. Especially for Chelsea, it's now or never due to their unique situation (transfer ban, Hazard fee, etc.). On the other hand, United won't want Madrid, Barca, PSG, etc. to join the conversation either.
The only player we've signed is Werner. There is no "them all".
Ziyech was bought in the previous window.
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Kai Havertz is a player with a high football IQ. I know many players get considered intelligent because they behave well under pressure, but Havertz is different. His actions do make sense all the time and give his team much-needed solutions in possession. The young German combines all types of passes with good off-ball movement and extraordinary behaviour under pressure. No matter if his team needs through balls, long balls to switch sides or quick one-touch passes in tight spaces. Kai Havertz offers all those passes.
When Bayer Leverkusen had problems with injuries, Kai Havertz had to play as a central midfielder. While Leverkusen struggled Havertz was one of the better players an unfamiliar position. From a technical standpoint Kai Havertz doesn’t seem to be the perfect offensive midfielder. Especially, his first touch isn’t always the best. But he is capable of quickly controlling and protecting the ball afterwards. His second touch is always pretty good and allows him to dribble past the opponent or play the dangerous pass. Furthermore, he can play accurate passes even without having the best body position. Havertz not only plays the simple flat through balls during counter-attacks. His good observation of the game allows him to see the open space and be aware of the movement of the defenders. Besides his passing abilities, Havertz shows that he can be a dangerous offensive player who can surprise a defence when they are concentrating on the striker. Havertz shows great awareness of holes in the defence. That’s why he is so dangerous after crosses. The fact that he often appears in the right spot at the right time is a positive sign and a clear indicator of his high football IQ. The technical execution is trainable easily, however, learning how and when to arrive in the box is harder. His timing when starting runs is really impressive and defenders normally struggle to defend those situations, especially if the striker waits in the right spot, the defender has to observe the ball and the striker simultaneously. Problems occur when the striker is positioned behind the defender because then the defender can only react to the movement. It is impossible to observe both, the ball and his opponent, at the same time. Using that advantage correctly, Havertz time after time arrives in the dangerous space while the defender often cannot adjust his position quickly enough to cover the midfield run. Funnily enough, Lampard is the closest midfielder I can think of who has utilized this to perfection.
No matter which position Kai Havertz plays, the fact that he rarely struggles under pressure makes him so valuable for his team. Although Havertz has great technical abilities his dribblings look sometimes inaccurate but are highly effective. His biggest strength is his usage of open space. When a defender pushes out of position Havertz has a great timing of pushing the ball into the open space and therefore unbalance the defender. That’s why he often gets fouled.
It has been repeated so much but we dont keep track of Chelsea transfers like we do United's. So every Chelsea deal looks a quick one althugh probably every one of them needed work and lasted for some time. Sometimes it seems quick cause we hear news and next thing you know they have it wrapped up but transfers dont work that way. It's not that somebody from Chelsea calls that and that club one day and the deal is done in 2 days.
That's actually a good point, that perspectives of transfer duration for other clubs seem faster because you simply aren't vested in it. Although i would also say that we have a history of paying agents what they want and this forces deals over the line expediently
Yeah and on the other hand there were some United deals which took some time, maybe too much time and some of Chelsea's were indeed quick. But as I said not every Chelsea transfer is a quick one nor is every United's a slow, dragging one.
Good analysis, very accurate description though it should be mentioned that he didn't play in central midfield because Leverkusen had injury problems, that has always been his favoured position. This season he was moved to a number 9 position after the restart because of injuries to Leverkusen's two main strikers.
I'm not sure the Lampard comparison is apt. While Lampard too had a high IQ, he was more devastating from long range than Havertz has been, while Havertz is better technically than Lampard was. Havertz seems to be a good blend between Ballack and Ozil, he has the lazy elegance Ozil has, along with his technical and passing skills, while having Ballack's ability to score goals from midfield.
The comparison I spoke about with Lampard, is the intelligence to arrive in the box at the perfect time and causing confusion to defenders, thus leading to goals. He flies by the radar in similar fashion in the opposition box and this is not due to luck, it is attacking the space defenders have left open trying to defend. This has always been one of Lampard's strengths to unlocking defenses and getting so many goals. It is also one of the reasons why people would always complain about Lampard getting "Lucky deflected goals".
I don't know why Chelsea are getting a free run at Havertz. Wish United would be in for him.
Chelsea lost over £95m in their last set of accounts, the Hazard money was already spent in advance. On top of Morata will anyone else bring in a huge transfer fee?
if he was as good as some people would like you to think, don't you think more clubs would be interested?
I think he looks a good young talent but I'm not sure he will become a worldwide star like some are predicting.
I think he will be a top Premier League star within 3 seasons. He’s absolutely made for the league.
agree - and, by today's market not wildly expensive
We weren't in the CL that season, we spent a fortune on manager exits, we also spent A LOT on transfers. I think it was when we spent £200m on Kepa, Bakayoko etc
Add in all of the above plus Hazard/Morata sale and all the potential sales to come (probably £100-200m of deadwood to flog) and we'll be fine
Have you actually watched footage of him or do you base your assessment on the international interest in him? If it wasn't for Corona, Chelsea would probably be chanceless since Madrid, Liverpool, Barca and Juventus were all eager to sign him.
He's the best CAM in the Bundesliga and if it wasn't for de Bruyne, he would probably also be the best in the EPL. I believe you'll be surprised how good he is once he makes his first appearances for Chelsea. Their front four is absolutely ace.
Absolutely spot on. I wish there was some way a mod would pin my analysis on the player, so people like that dont
speak nonsense for the sake of commenting.
Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Utd, Chelsea, all to name a few rumoured to be interested. If not for covid, hed be at bayern or madrid IMO
He will be a top star in the league, no doubt about it. Future player of the year. What may sound like a bold statement at first, is actually pretty easy to predict. He is still so young as well.
Of course, I've watched Leverkusen a lot. I think he's good but I've seen him have lots of games where he's done nothing also.
I think his reputation is a bit over stated, that just my opinion. His recent run of scoring when he played as striker was good, but before that he hadn't scored in a long time and was in poor form.
You know, a player can have a great game without scoring. Especially midfielders. Havertz was the best player om the potch for us in most of his games,even during his run of 'bad' form.
Not so slow on rating yourself there, buddy
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this guys watched a Havertz YouTube video on repeat for 2 days and suddenly he’s a scouting expert. Don’t worry @Open Goal I'm sure somebody will be hiring you very soon for such insightful analysis!
Looks like an Oscar signing.
Genuinely curious as to how you came to this conclusion considering the relative quality of the leagues they're coming from as well as their accomplishments prior to the transfer.
That said, if we get 5 years out of Havertz and he then leaves for ~3 times the transfer fee I'll not complain overmuch.
Glorified, German version of Fellaini
Of course that's possible, but I see some people comparing him to Zidane, some people saying he has a "super high IQ" like some form of robot.
He's had good games, but he's had bad ones too. You're comparing him to KDB already? I think it's just a step too far.
I think he will take time to adjust to the pace of the PL. You don't get the space in attacking positions like you do in Germany that's for sure.
I never said he was a bad player, I do think he's good especially for his age, but people just need to settle down a little as they're going to expect Mbappe levels from the way you and super scout keep talking about him.
Speaking of Oscar, I was genuinely confused by his move to China at such a young age. Talent like that gone to waste in my opinion.
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