Kai Havertz

[TheLord]

Several Chelsea players will be sold or allowed to leave for free (Pedro/Willian)
The formation is in no particular order, but the squad is too big now. The first player in a particular position is probably the first choice.

---------------------------------------------Werner/Abraham/Giroud/Batshuayi----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pulisic/Hudson-Odoi------------Havertz/Mount/Kovacic/Loftus Cheek/Gilmour-------------Ziyech/Willian/Pedro
----------------------------------------------Kante/Jorgingo/Barkley------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[DarkLord]

I hate how Chelsea seems to be getting a homerun for all these talented players. Pulisic, Werner and now Havertz.

 

[Pow]

[/QUOTE]

I hate how Chelsea seems to be getting a homerun for all these talented players. Pulisic, Werner and now Havertz.

A lot of it is circumstantial imo.
We had a ban so had money left over unspent which has left us in good stead to deal with the situation that a lot of clubs are struggling during the covid crisis.
I genuinely believe if this was a normal season werner would be at liverpool and havertz either bayern or madrid.

 

[NK86]

Apart from PL, Bundesliga is shown live on Tele and usually is at a convenient time for Asian viewers. So got around watching him a lot. Not a football expert mind you, but I have always been quite impressed whenever I have watched him. You know how some players just stand out. He may as well flop at Chelsea but he was on my transfer wishlist before we got Bruno.

Havertz is a very talented player but he is very young. Bruno is at that age where is going to be entering his prime and giving us probably his best years. We need someone entering his prime right now. We have enough kids coming through and in the middle of the park we need a leader. Bruno is that guy and I honestly won't trade him for any other midfielder in the PL.

 

[RedRonaldo]

If we not sign Sancho this summer, we are not going to compete with Chelsea. Werner and Havertz are 2 great additions.

 

[mitchmouse]

Just don't understand why we don't seem to be interested in Havertz. We lost out to Chelsea over Pedro (no great shame in the end) and Pulisic, having been linked with them for ages - would be excellent if we could flip this and nick Havertz

 

[izec]

Just don't understand why we don't seem to be interested in Havertz. We lost out to Chelsea over Pedro (no great shame in the end) and Pulisic, having been linked with them for ages - would be excellent if we could flip this and nick Havertz

We want Sancho. No money for 2x100m transfers. Plus RW is more needed than a mostly central player. Pretty easy to understand

 

[Davie Moyes]

I could see Bayern coming back in for Havertz after a couple of seasons at Chelsea. That's one advantage over us going for Sancho instead.

 

[beingshe7don]

I could see Bayern coming back in for Havertz after a couple of seasons at Chelsea. That's one advantage over us going for Sancho instead.

Havertz is 21 years of age. If Chelsea manage to get about 2 titles in 5 years out of him and then sell him for a fat fee to Bayern or any other club, that would be considered a success.

Also, what advantage are you talking about with Sancho? He's one of those English players that are extremely ambitious and probably has his sights on the Balon Do'or some day. If he has a better chance of winning it playing for the likes of Barcelona or Real, he wouldn't hesitate to move. If and when we do get Sancho, let's not all convince our selves that he plans on retiring at United. He has no sentimental attachment or affiliation with the club.

 

[beingshe7don]

Chelsea getting Havertz, Ziyech, Werner, possibly a new CB & GK along with the resurgence of Pulisic is gonna be a force to reckon with. Chelsea have made moves what United were initially touted to make.

All we hear is Sancho sipped his bottle of water, Sancho liked this post, Sancho did that..... Sancho alone is not going to win us the league.

 

[Dancfc]

I could see Bayern coming back in for Havertz after a couple of seasons at Chelsea. That's one advantage over us going for Sancho instead.

Bayern won't be able to afford/are too tight to pay what we will demand (and they know from the CHO saga we won't roll over the way their domestic rivals do), It's Madrid that will be the big worry.

Furthermore you never know how the situation will evolve down the years, for example you would have expected Aguero and David Silva to be plucked by one of the big Spanish two but it never happened.

 

[macheda14]

Bayern won't be able to afford/are too tight to pay what we will demand (and they know from the CHO saga we won't roll over the way their domestic rivals do), It's Madrid that will be the big worry.

Furthermore you never know how the situation will evolve down the years, for example you would have expected Aguero and David Silva to be plucked by one of the big Spanish two but it never happened.

It’s less Bayern having to pay what you ask, more he could start angling for a move after a few years a la Sane.

Chelsea getting Havertz, Ziyech, Werner, possibly a new CB & GK along with the resurgence of Pulisic is gonna be a force to reckon with. Chelsea have made moves what United were initially touted to make.

All we hear is Sancho sipped his bottle of water, Sancho liked this post, Sancho did that..... Sancho alone is not going to win us the league.

You have to remember they had a transfer ban AND didn’t bring anyone in in Jan.

Ziyech was bought just after we bought Bruno. They’ve brought in Werner, but Havertz is yet to make the move. Who knows maybe Sancho moves a week later.

CB and GK, well there have been no strong rumours as to who they’re going to bring in.

 

[Davie Moyes]

As other posters have stated above there's no guarantee we will get Sancho. Neither is there a guarantee Sancho would see his career out here if he did come.

However you would expect there is more chance an Englishman will remain in England compared to a German wanting to go to Bayern. Bayern also are known to be patient and go back in for players they have missed out on before.

Apart from Ronaldo when have we lost a player to Madrid, Barca we did not want to? As Pogba has found out it's not easy to leave due to the huge wages and fee already bought for. Madrid, Barca could just go for another younger cheaper player.

 

[HerrLeinad]

Bayern won't be able to afford/are too tight to pay what we will demand (and they know from the CHO saga we won't roll over the way their domestic rivals do), It's Madrid that will be the big worry.

Furthermore you never know how the situation will evolve down the years, for example you would have expected Aguero and David Silva to be plucked by one of the big Spanish two but it never happened.

If our domestic rivals would always roll over then Havertz would be with us now, wouldn't he? Dortmund also chose to rather run down Lewandowski's contract than sell him to us.
Do you also think we wouldn't be interested to get Sancho if there was a chance? You know why we don't? Because clubs actually don't roll over for us. The same was btw true for De Bruyne when Wolfsburg sold him so I really don't know where this myth comes from. A lot of our biggest signings came from foreign(!) clubs and I could actually make an argument that it's often HARDER for us to get BL players because all clubs are under pressure from their fans not to sell to "evil Bayern" and thus want to save face. There is a reason why you often hear club officials say they'd prefer to sell to a foreign club (take Vidal's transfer when he was with Leverkusen, they preferred to sell him to Juve despite the fact that the player was willing to join us and we offered a higher transfer fee).
We pay reasonable prices and if an opportunity is there we take it, nothing more and nothing else. We are often forced to show patience and sometimes it works (Neuer, Lewandowski, Goretzka etc) and sometimes it doesn't (De Bruyne, Sane on our first attempt, Vidal on our first attempt, Robben on two! attempts and now probably Havertz).
And looking at CHO's season I dare to say that we would have already overpaid with what we were offering for a completely unproven player so it's not like you refused some sort of ridiculous offer, it was actually more than a fair price and I guess if your officials had to decide again they'd now take it.
In regards to getting Havertz in the future if he ends up with you... impossible to predict. Moves between top clubs are always difficult and a lot of it depends on the circumstances/the timing but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Kentonio]

If our domestic rivals would always roll over then Havertz would be with us now, wouldn't he? Dortmund also chose to rather run down Lewandowski's contract than sell him to us.
Do you also think we wouldn't be interested to get Sancho if there was a chance? You know why we don't? Because clubs actually don't roll over for us. The same was btw true for De Bruyne when Wolfsburg sold him so I really don't know where this myth comes from. A lot of our biggest signings came from foreign(!) clubs and I could actually make an argument that it's often HARDER for us to get BL players because all clubs are under pressure from their fans not to sell to "evil Bayern" and thus want to save face. There is a reason why you often hear club officials say they'd prefer to sell to a foreign club (take Vidal's transfer when he was with Leverkusen, they preferred to sell him to Juve despite the fact that the player was willing to join us and we offered a higher transfer fee).
We pay reasonable prices and if an opportunity is there we take it, nothing more and nothing else. We are often forced to show patience and sometimes it works (Neuer, Lewandowski, Goretzka etc) and sometimes it doesn't (De Bruyne, Sane on our first attempt, Vidal on our first attempt, Robben on two! attempts and now probably Havertz).
And looking at CHO's season I dare to say that we would have already overpaid with what we were offering for a completely unproven player so it's not like you refused some sort of ridiculous offer, it was actually more than a fair price and I guess if your officials had to decide again they'd now take it.
In regards to getting Havertz in the future if he ends up with you... impossible to predict. Moves between top clubs are always difficult and a lot of it depends on the circumstances/the timing but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

Other German clubs aren’t eager to let you just stockpile all the German talent? Gosh, the cads!

 

[Orc]

If we sign him and he continues his ascent like his talent suggests he will there's no chance Bayern would be able to afford him. It would be only Real Madrid who could at some point years from now. We managed to squeeze nearly 100m out of them for a 29 year old Hazard in the final year of his contract.

Can't imagine what a 24 year old Havertz would cost in 3 years time if he becomes a top player. Neymar/Mbappe money I would think.

 

[2ndTouch]

If we sign him and he continues his ascent like his talent suggests he will there's no chance Bayern would be able to afford him. It would be only Real Madrid who could at some point years from now. We managed to squeeze nearly 100m out of them for a 29 year old Hazard in the final year of his contract.

We'll just wait a year longer then, no biggie. You should know we prefer our german talent to join us on a free anyway.

Can't imagine what a 24 year old Havertz would cost in 3 years time if he becomes a top player. Neymar/Mbappe money I would think.

While I'd like that to happen, I don't think he'll reach these heights. Despite his age, he's got 3 1/2 Buli seasons under his belly. He's pretty close to being a finished product already. All these mental things that usually come with age and experience, he's already very good at. But he doesn't have the supreme physique of Mbappe or Neymar's godly dribbling skills, or some other special trait that sets a Ballon d'Or candidate apart from the rest of other WC players.

 

[RoyH1]

The reported asking price is a loooot of money for a young player who has not played outside of Germany. He's class, but the asking price makes it a risky affair for Chelsea IMO.

Ironically I think the best move for him personally would be to wait and go to Bayern. He'd be an instant superstar there without a PL learning curve.

 

[TheLord]

The reported transfer fees for Havertz is now closer to 70m (vs. 90m sometime back).

I don't know why United so disinterested in him who has all the making of a worldclass attacking player. We are missing a trick here. Putting everything into the Jadon Sancho basket is fraught with risk.

 

[Adam-Utd]

The reported transfer fees for Havertz is now closer to 70m (vs. 90m sometime back).

I don't know why United so disinterested in him who has all the making of a worldclass attacking player. We are missing a trick here. Putting everything into the Jadon Sancho basket is fraught with risk.

Because he just isn't that good yet.

He's got plenty of potential but he has a long way to go before he can be labelled world class.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Because he just isn't that good yet.

He's got plenty of potential but he has a long way to go before he can be labelled world class.

From what I heard he is likely the best young AM in the world right now, he is like the new Zidane, with great technique and pass. We are not interested because we already have Bruno, and Pogba might be staying too. We need Sancho more.

 

[Mark Pawelek]

I don't think United were ever in for him. Only reason he's in the Transfer Forum rather than the Football Forum is slack moderation and posters who don't know this forum is supposed to be for players United actually want to buy or sell.

At first glance, a passerby might assume, some fans want our entire 2nd-11 to be as expensive and well paid as the first, so don't understand basic economics. When you have an unused expensive asset, it depreciates. When you use your assets you try to sweat them to get as much capital utilization out of them as possible.

You can have either Kai Havertz or Bruno Fernandes. Pick one, not both.

 

[sp_107]

I like him but at this point we need someone like Saul more than Kai.

 

[Zehner]

Kai Havertz is a player with a high football IQ. I know many players get considered intelligent because they behave well under pressure, but Havertz is different. His actions do make sense all the time and give his team much-needed solutions in possession. The young German combines all types of passes with good off-ball movement and extraordinary behaviour under pressure. No matter if his team needs through balls, long balls to switch sides or quick one-touch passes in tight spaces. Kai Havertz offers all those passes.

When Bayer Leverkusen had problems with injuries, Kai Havertz had to play as a central midfielder. While Leverkusen struggled Havertz was one of the better players an unfamiliar position. From a technical standpoint Kai Havertz doesn’t seem to be the perfect offensive midfielder. Especially, his first touch isn’t always the best. But he is capable of quickly controlling and protecting the ball afterwards. His second touch is always pretty good and allows him to dribble past the opponent or play the dangerous pass. Furthermore, he can play accurate passes even without having the best body position. Havertz not only plays the simple flat through balls during counter-attacks. His good observation of the game allows him to see the open space and be aware of the movement of the defenders. Besides his passing abilities, Havertz shows that he can be a dangerous offensive player who can surprise a defence when they are concentrating on the striker. Havertz shows great awareness of holes in the defence. That’s why he is so dangerous after crosses. The fact that he often appears in the right spot at the right time is a positive sign and a clear indicator of his high football IQ. The technical execution is trainable easily, however, learning how and when to arrive in the box is harder. His timing when starting runs is really impressive and defenders normally struggle to defend those situations, especially if the striker waits in the right spot, the defender has to observe the ball and the striker simultaneously. Problems occur when the striker is positioned behind the defender because then the defender can only react to the movement. It is impossible to observe both, the ball and his opponent, at the same time. Using that advantage correctly, Havertz time after time arrives in the dangerous space while the defender often cannot adjust his position quickly enough to cover the midfield run. Funnily enough, Lampard is the closest midfielder I can think of who has utilized this to perfection.

No matter which position Kai Havertz plays, the fact that he rarely struggles under pressure makes him so valuable for his team. Although Havertz has great technical abilities his dribblings look sometimes inaccurate but are highly effective. His biggest strength is his usage of open space. When a defender pushes out of position Havertz has a great timing of pushing the ball into the open space and therefore unbalance the defender. That’s why he often gets fouled.

That's the best assessment of Havertz I've read in here, great post

A quick addition: His first touch is sometimes inaccurate, that's true, but it doesn't seem to be of technical nature. He usually comes across a little "dreamy" in those situations, thinking about the second or third contact/pass before he actually controlled the pass. On the contrary, I've seen some pretty impressive first touches from him. Not only those that "leave the ball for dead" but those where he controls a long ball and takes the ball into full motion immediately.

 

[Pow]

That's the best assessment of Havertz I've read in here, great post

A quick addition: His first touch is sometimes inaccurate, that's true, but it doesn't seem to be of technical nature. He usually comes across a little "dreamy" in those situations, thinking about the second or third contact/pass before he actually controlled the pass. On the contrary, I've seen some pretty impressive first touches from him. Not only those that "leave the ball for dead" but those where he controls a long ball and takes the ball into full motion immediately.

Youre a leverkusen fan, from Germany?
Do you reckon this deal will be done ?

 

[TheReligion]

The reported transfer fees for Havertz is now closer to 70m (vs. 90m sometime back).

I don't know why United so disinterested in him who has all the making of a worldclass attacking player. We are missing a trick here. Putting everything into the Jadon Sancho basket is fraught with risk.

The fact Chelsea only turned to Havertz when they realised Sancho preferred United speaks volumes.

You can't snap up every single good player.

 

[Orc]

The fact Chelsea only turned to Havertz when they realised Sancho preferred United speaks volumes.

You can't snap up every single good player.

We turned away from Sancho in January. That's why Ziyech was bought. I highly doubt we have even given a thought to Sancho in months. It wasn't a direct choice between he and Kai since they are totally different players.

 

[TheReligion]

We turned away from Sancho in January. That's why Ziyech was bought. I highly doubt we have even given a thought to Sancho in months. It wasn't a direct choice between he and Kai since they are totally different players.

The media reported the interest in Havertz upon realising you were out if the Sancho deal from what I recall.

 

[cyberman]

We turned away from Sancho in January. That's why Ziyech was bought. I highly doubt we have even given a thought to Sancho in months. It wasn't a direct choice between he and Kai since they are totally different players.

But you believed every report that came out until March odd, theres pages and pages of Chelsea fans telling us how close he was to signing him if you got CL.
Now its we were never really in for him? Passed in January.
Doesn't add up

 

[Orc]

The media reported the interest in Havertz upon realising you were out if the Sancho deal from what I recall.

Nope. I haven't seen us linked to Sancho since January by anyone reliable. This isn't a Lukaku situation where both Chelsea and United really wanted him, both bid on him, and he chose United forcing us to turn to Morata.

This was more like Dortmund saying "that'll be €100m" and Chelsea saying "nah, we'll sign Ziyech for €37m instead." So if anything, this was a choice between Sancho and Ziyech not a choice between Kai and Sancho.

The Havertz interest seems to be bourn completely out of the fact that we essentially have a free run at him him due to COVID.

 

[Harry190]

He looks like a young, slightly taller, a bit less talented Zidane.

 

[Adam-Utd]

He looks like a young, slightly taller, a bit less talented Zidane.

Much the kid looks good but he's not a patch on Zidane ffs

 

[Chief123]

We turned away from Sancho in January. That's why Ziyech was bought. I highly doubt we have even given a thought to Sancho in months. It wasn't a direct choice between he and Kai since they are totally different players.

Chelsea turned away from Sancho because it became clear he wanted to come to Utd. Hence, Chelsea turned their attention elsewhere. If Sancho was available and wanted to come to chelsea, they would snap him up in a hearbeat.

Gotta love the "we aint interested in him anymore" self-comforting.

Werner, Ziyech and Havertz are individually great signings. But to expect them all to hit the ground running and chelsea be at the top challenging is cuckoo land. Its quite possible only one of them if not any actually live up to the expectation in the premier league.

 

[Orc]

Chelsea turned away from Sancho because it became clear he wanted to come to Utd. Hence, Chelsea turned their attention elsewhere. If Sancho was available and wanted to come to chelsea, they would snap him up in a hearbeat.

Gotta love the "we aint interested in him anymore" self-comforting.

Werner, Ziyech and Havertz are individually great signings. But to expect them all to hit the ground running and chelsea be at the top challenging is cuckoo land. Its quite possible only one of them if not any actually live up to the expectation in the premier league.

Yes, in recent weeks the club was still after a €100m right winger after already signing a class right winger. That makes total sense.

Chelsea fans may have still held out hope that somehow, some way we would still be after Sancho. But the club clearly moved on from Sancho months ago.

In the same way you're trying to say Chelsea fans are comforting themselves, you United fans are all making it seem as though there was this massive bidding war or behind the scenes battle for Sancho and he was simply more interested in going to United.

In reality (just like with Havertz) the Sancho sweepstakes is a 1 horse race. Nobody but you guys are willing to pay up.

 

[cyberman]

Nope. I haven't seen us linked to Sancho since January by anyone reliable. This isn't a Lukaku situation where both Chelsea and United really wanted him, both bid on him, and he chose United forcing us to turn to Morata.

This was more like Dortmund saying "that'll be €100m" and Chelsea saying "nah, we'll sign Ziyech for €37m instead." So if anything, this was a choice between Sancho and Ziyech not a choice between Kai and Sancho.

The Havertz interest seems to be bourn completely out of the fact that we essentially have a free run at him him due to COVID.

Matt Law is reliable, no? From a podcast appearance last March

• Sancho loves the idea of playing for his boyhood club and returning to London where he is originally from.
• However, Chelsea can't match United in terms of Financial Power.
• Still a top Target for Chelsea and Lampard is a big fan of his.
• CL Qualification is a must for financial backing.

Its ok losing out on a player and since the financial point was bullshit it had to come from personal choice.

 

[Chief123]

Yes, in recent weeks the club was still after a €100m right winger after already signing a class right winger. That makes total sense.

Chelsea fans may have still held out hope that somehow, some way we would still be after Sancho. But the club clearly moved on from Sancho months ago.

In the same way you're trying to say Chelsea fans are comforting themselves, you United fans are all making it seem as though there was this massive bidding war or behind the scenes battle for Sancho and he was simply more interested in going to United.

In reality (just like with Havertz) the Sancho sweepstakes is a 1 horse race. Nobody but you guys are willing to pay up.

Yes, to be honest it is quite comforting knowing that we're the only team able to afford to buy arguably the best winger in the world at the moment. Very comforting indeed.

 

[Mount's Goatieson]

Much the kid looks good but he's not a patch on Zidane ffs

21 yr old Zidane wasn't a patch on 28yr old Zidane to be honest.

 

[Orc]

Matt Law is reliable, no? From a podcast appearance last March

• Sancho loves the idea of playing for his boyhood club and returning to London where he is originally from.
• However, Chelsea can't match United in terms of Financial Power.
• Still a top Target for Chelsea and Lampard is a big fan of his.
• CL Qualification is a must for financial backing.

Its ok losing out on a player and since the financial point was bullshit it had to come from personal choice.

Think about what you're saying. We have Ziyech coming in who will instantly slot in on our right side. Why would we then still be after another right winger and one for a monstrous fee at that? It makes less than zero sense.

 

[cyberman]

Think about what you're saying. We have Ziyech coming in who will instantly slot in on our right side. Why would we then still be after another right winger and one for a monstrous fee at that? It makes less than zero sense.

We were told by your lot, and the media, that he was going to play through the middle!
Havertz doesnt make sense to me but here we are, a defence to bolster but still building the attack so obviously your policiy isnt a needs must approach.

 

[Adam-Utd]

21 yr old Zidane wasn't a patch on 28yr old Zidane to be honest.

While that's true, comparing Havertz to Zidane is a bit silly.

They don't even play the same way anyway, Zidane was a lot more skillful and carried the ball more, Havertz is more of a 2nd striker that's good in the air and finishing.