It's no secret Pogba or probably more so his agent would like another mega transfer move, so if PSG or Juve or even probably unlikely now RM got managed to put together a deal I could see United going for that Duo especially if they cant get Sancho . I dont want to turn this into yet another Pogba thread , but imo if the merry go round gets going it's not out of the question to see both VdB and Havertz arrive . However this would be also at the expense of not getting Sancho too .
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I doubt Pogba will be leaving.
For a start, any hypothetical team we think will pay what we want for Pogba can therefore by default not be ruled out of the race for Havertz themselves - and will likely buy the younger star instead.
Havertz is gonna be a world class player and is a class above Grealish, Maddison, VDB as the other options we are linked with. It looks like we are chasing a multi-faceted player who can play in multiple positions and will ultimately take up the roles that Lingard, Mata and Perreira currently do. Whilst he can play RW, he will not be our next option for that position if Sancho doesn't come. We will most likely go in for another RW, whether it be Ferran Torres, Dembele, Chiesa or whoever.
Whilst I would love to get him this summer, I don't see Woodward splasing 100m on both him and Sancho in the same window. Havertz will likely only be bought if Pogba is sold, as they are both AM and there's no way to fit in them in the same 11 if we assume Havertz will not be predominantly playing as a RW. I know he can play the false 9 role but his best attributes come out as a 10 or 8. Havertz is unlikely to join a team where he's more out of the starting 11 than not.
If Chelsea get him, you would have to say they would built a far better squad than we would and will position themselves as a challenger to the top 2 unless Lampard can't get them to play effectively.
Whilst I would love to get him this summer, I don't see Woodward splasing 100m on both him and Sancho in the same window. Havertz will likely only be bought if Pogba is sold, as they are both AM and there's no way to fit in them in the same 11 if we assume Havertz will not be predominantly playing as a RW. I know he can play the false 9 role but his best attributes come out as a 10 or 8. Havertz is unlikely to join a team where he's more out of the starting 11 than not.
If Chelsea get him, you would have to say they would built a far better squad than we would and will position themselves as a challenger to the top 2 unless Lampard can't get them to play effectively.
I don’t agree with that. Defensively they’ve still got work to do, and Kepa isn’t exactly great either.
If we sign Sancho, and a midfielder such as VDB or Grealish, then I think we have the better squad.
I really don't think so. Go man for man in that squad and you have to say they're also building something interesting. They're gonna get an upgrade at LB and CB most likely this window. Their back-ups like RLC, Barkly, Pulisic, Kovacic are better than ours currently (Lingard, Mata, James, Matic). Plus they have an army of really young talent that's coming up, as much as people talk about our young crop. I'm worried about them as a serious challenger in about 2 years time when we should be challenging for the league.
We need to buy quality and buy smart in the next 2 years otherwise we will get left behind and be left just challenging for champs league spot. I don't think just Sancho and VDB/Grealish elevates us above them, if they do get Havertz, a new CB and LB.
He looks great.. can we get him .. please.. instead of Grealish.
If the get Havertz a CB and LB their squad would have no weakness. Ours would
If the get Havertz a CB and LB their squad would have no weakness. Ours would
Wouldn't agree with that. Would say its very similar and arguable either way, but a front 3 of Werner, Ziyech and whoever their 3rd attacker is vs a front 3 of Martial, Rashford and Sancho? I'd take ours. Midfield of Bruno and Pogba vs any 2 of theirs (Kovacic/Jorginho/Havertzin that situation), I'd take ours. Holding midfielder with Kante they have it, but he's not what he was and McTominay is always improving. Defensively we are a much better side all around and have shown it this season, and while Chilwell would be a good signing, they'd still be open.
They'd have a good squad, but one that would require a lot of gelling to the league and to each other which is never a guarantee. If we only add Sancho, we're looking pretty complete already, while its a much more seemless transition with only Sancho being added to a clear spot in our side, with the rest already gelling together (still to see Pogba with Bruno of course). Anyway, the best 11 doesn't always win. Both us and Chelsea would have squads capable of challenging with City and liverpool, but Klopp and Pep are that much better that they'd still likely dominate (for now).
I agree with the first paragraph, where we would still on paper have the better team. Ziyech from the dutch league and Werner and Havertz from the Bundesliga, no one knows how they will adapt. They might not have the budget to sign another CB this summer, and they have a far weaker keeper than us.
The point about City and Liverpool, I feel that for the moment they might be better however; you have to take note that the Liverpool players have been playing 3 seasons without injuries. An injury to VVD, or any of the front 3 and they do not have a backup, like we saw with City (Laporte). City have a very good squad however; Silva going and a weak defence is still a concern for them.
If Ole can get get us playing as a team, attacking football, I have confidence that our defence is good enough to cope with most attacks.
With respects to Havertz; I don't actually think we need him.
We don't. I don't understand why people want him and want Sancho too. That's just greed
Agree, I just think over a season, Klopp and Pep have shown remarkable consistency, over multiple seasons. Even if we get to a normal title challenging level like mid 80's points, I don't think Ole can get to the upper 90s. Fortunately I think our squad will peak as City and Liverpool decline and we'll be well poised to take over, but so will Chelsea. Hopefully you add in Klopp and Pep not staying that much longer in the league, and I can see us getting there. Just not until they either really decline, or leave the league.
Agree on Havertz though. With Bruno and Pogba, there's no need to sign anyone in midfield (#8 or #10). Plus we have very decent depth. Its Sancho, and a partner for Maguire as the top 2 IMO.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soc...sancho-alternative-in-summer-overhaul-sources
Article suggests Chelsea's reported surprise interest in Havertz is because they are now convinced Sancho will be joining United and it is now pointless pursuing him further.
Article suggests Chelsea's reported surprise interest in Havertz is because they are now convinced Sancho will be joining United and it is now pointless pursuing him further.
If you're Havertz, why not join Real, Barca or Bayern in 2021? I really wouldn't understand a move to Chelsea at all. I get that their team is young and exciting, but there's huge question marks and uncertainties as well.
He's not going to Chelsea, it's a load of bollocks.
I think all this noise about Havertz is created so teams like BVB start negotiating. Clubs want to be seen as pursuing other targets.
It is a good point. At the same time, it is a bit absurd. Havertz is probably available for £80 mill. Imagine saying that we are unable to sell him for that price. Or even more absurd, that Real Madrid/Juve would rather go for a pretty unprovrn youngster at 20 than Pogba.
I see the logic, but you would probably not have believed that one or two years ago.
And that being said, Pogba could turn out to be a steal for the right club. Potentially the best six years ahead of him with huge commercial value.
I did see a journalist suggest exactly that. I can't remember who he was, but he said Chelsea had earmarked a certain amount for a pursuit for Sancho and the feeling is now that he is unattainable, likely headed to United, so they want to allocate that money to pushing for Havertz.
Them preferring to sign Havertz is just a guess for me, and if true, doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. The logic is obvious; as you say, in that Havertz already looks top class and is 7 years younger with bigger resale value and general value for money if he stays long. He may also never become anything, Dembele is currently highlighting the risk of going for young promise over an established player.
Many United fans would prefer Upamecano or De Ligt over Koulibaily. Or Mbappé over Neymar. Doesn’t make the younger players better per se.
I don’t know what these clubs will do, only that Real are one of the other clubs who are apparently after him. Don’t think our fans are thinking when they come up with these theories that only we can afford players, especially if it’s contingent on us selling Pogba. If that’s the criteria, then we can’t afford him either! And if Real can afford Pogba, they can also afford Havertz. And Sancho for that matter, who they have also been linked with.
Think having him and Bruno in the same midfield is asking for trouble in terms of balance (I do reckon the same about playing Pogba/Bruno at the same time mind). How is his defensive skills?
We've just bought an 80m CAM and people expect to replace him with a 20 year old?
People need to stop dreaming and go back to football manager.
People need to stop dreaming and go back to football manager.
I think he's the Sancho alternative as an inside right position.
I wonder if we are preparing a bid? Should hear something in a few months if so.
Who didn’t we just buy for 80 million.
Sancho alternative should be Chiesa
I like Chiesa a lot yeah, seems underrated on here.
I have a nagging suspicion that we end up massively kicking ourselves whichever one of Havertz or Sancho we end up missing out on. 
c'mon woody is more than capable of gashing both deals upI have a nagging suspicion that we end up massively kicking ourselves whichever one of Havertz or Sancho we end up missing out on.
I was trying to be optimistic and think that we might only feck half of it up, admittedly.
They're both great players and will go onto have good careers.I have a nagging suspicion that we end up massively kicking ourselves whichever one of Havertz or Sancho we end up missing out on.
Right now we need a wide player in Sancho, not so desperate for Havertz.
Having watched some highlights of Havertz, it seems he is a very intelligent player. He has the same characteristics as Bruno.
So it would make no sense for us to spend the cash for him.
Spending another £10/20m on Sancho makes alot more sense given he fits the profile of player that this team lacks.
I saw a stat where we have 27% of our goals from the RW, 19th in the league with that stat.
And the irony of someone using the term CAM and then telling people to go back to Football Manager.
If Havertz is available at a reasonable price then we should go for him but Sancho is a needs must. We have created the second worst amount of chances in the Prem from the right side. It's an obvious problem and makes us easier to defend against
Talk this morning from the Athletic is that we're big into Sancho and expect Grealish or Havertz before VDB, so maybe we're seriously inquiring?
I think we're looking at something like:
RW
1. Sancho
2. Havertz
CM
1. Grealish
2. Bellingham
3. VDB
I haven't seen much of him but in many of these clips he looks a very good option for the RW with added versatility in other positions over Sancho.
We always have links with so many players but we always seem to miss the bus because of our dilly-dallying, and it seems that Chelsea may have taken Havertz too.
I agree.
Him being left footed is more suited for the right side comparing to other right footed players, including Sancho IMO...
Romans woke up like its 2004 again
Nothing concrete by any reliable source on Havertz to Chelsea
I think i'm slowly leaning towards Havertz > Sancho. He seems to have a bit more magic about him.
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