Ok, tbh I just go off work, and right now my reading comprehension is barely a quarter of what it should be.
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At the risk of turning this into MCU Vs DCEU, I like the Snyder cut, but it doesn't follow any unique formula different to marvel like some are trying to suggest. A sort of different tone, not in dialogue but certainly in cinematography, but the formula is the same. Baddie comes, baddie gets the the upper hand, looks like baddie has won, something/someone comes to save the day, until next time. It's just as predicable if not moreso, superman saves the day, because superman.
This just managed to drag it out for 4 hours.
This just managed to drag it out for 4 hours.
Wouldnt the amount of people who have already decided to spend 4 hours watching it shit on that idea?
For example I tried to watch the Venom movie and I had to stop watching after a bit. I couldn't take the cringe level overload, it wasn't for me at all despite several attempts to continue watching. For me thats a superhero movie that provided me with no entertainment, but thats me. I can't speak for what other people find entertaining, I'm not cosplaying as Lex Luthor on a forum and pretending I need to make that decision for the greater good of mankind. I didn't like Britney Spears music either but loads of people bought it and thought it was entertaining.
Sidenote, personally think Eisenberg is a terrible Lex Luthor.
Find it frustrating watching this because now I actually want to see where they we’re going with the wasteland etc. Genuinely a really interesting story.
Look, I’ve watched the entirety of Rissoli & Isles in lockdown, this was a piece of cake.
My point was merely the idea that Superhero films should be uncritically enjoyed or ignored is a nonsense in a world that is about 40% superhero films, and some of them are genuinely good and win awards now!
You fecking won nerds, stop being ridiculously fragile about it!
The only takeaway from the film so far is Americans are uniquely dangerous drivers.
He would have been a great Riddler. That's basically who he played anyway not Lex.
Overall decent flick, I think they could have made it two films and perhaps changed it up a little where superman and darkseid are back for part 2.
That's exactly what I thought to.
Amen
Keep forgetting to post this, what does it remind you of?
Yet when someone like Scorsese correctly points this out, fans of comic book films lose their minds and call him a grumpy old man/movie snob. It seems a lot of people want to watch their big dumb superheroes movies but without anyone else pointing out that their watching a big dumb superhero movies.
The thing I don’t get is the people shitting on the movie after watching all 4 hours, it obviously done something good to keep them watching as usually after 20 mins of a shit movie I’d have spaced out and decide to put something different on.
Scorsese is a grumpy old man/movie snob.
He has a pretentious, archaic view of what is cinema, and the antimarvel/superhero brigade lap his shit up.
Not really, for three reasons (1) Hope, you genuinely hope it's going to get better and deliver on all the hype. Often it's hard to judge a movie without watching it in it's entirety. (2) Many people, like myself, often feel like they have to finish a film they've started, even if it's bad. (3) Being massive fans of Batman, Superman etc., you desperately look for those redeeming qualities, those moments where you can nerd out and revel in their character glory; all while in your heart you know it's a really shite film.
I've finished a lot of films that were really, really shite. Just recently, WW84. Not least because you still want to be able to talk about it to other fans afterwards.
Finally, there is entertainment value in watching trainwreck movies. That "how bad or stupid can this get" type appeal. There's plenty to discuss later.
But apparently very calm once a crash has occurred. We see the girl react to her impending wreck, she then gets flung through the air towards impending death/dismemberment.....meanwhile in one of 11,437 slowmoes, her face is a picture of tranquility as she is flung deathward, like she is contemplating a stunning vista, or quietly farting in an elevator....our hero even has time to cutely tuck her hair back and revel in her beauty.
Bit much calling those "great movies".
I knew Mockney would turn up and give this a proper review. This movie was so bone jarringly shite, I just couldn't find the words to adequately express it, but as always Mockney crushed it. My favourite film critic.
Winter soldier is a fantastic movie.
I'm not sure I fully agree with Scorsese but I do think think at some point there has to be some sort of view on what is and isn't cinema because otherwise everything can become cinema. The doritos advert before the film start is just as worthy as Tarkovsky.
Not to derail the thread too much and to get somewhat back on track. A poster criticised Justice League and was met with replies asking why was he trying put forward any analysis onto the film - it's a Zack Snyder comic book movie wtf was anyone expecting, it's a mindless joy ride! Which isn't that pretty much Scorese point ? That these comic book movies aren't cinema but are actually something closer to a theme park ride ? If Scorese has a pretentious, archaic view of cinema then it seems a lot of comic book fans agree with him.
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I think this could’ve easily been cut down to around 2:45-3 hours and retained all of the new character developments, and just about acceptable enough for a theatre release. The suits at WB did it no favour by insisting on the 2 hours runtime but you kinda sympathise with them because many many parts of this version is overindulged Snyder slo-mo fest + irrelevant, uninteresting scenes (like, do we need to see Bruce Wayne riding in the mountain for 5 min, or Lois getting coffee, twice?)
This is better than the Whedon’s cut purely because of the extra run time to flesh out Cyborg and Steppy character, and fits in with the then-existing grimdark universe Snyder built, but as an ensemble superhero film, it’s still closer to Suicide Squad rather than Infinity War.
This is better than the Whedon’s cut purely because of the extra run time to flesh out Cyborg and Steppy character, and fits in with the then-existing grimdark universe Snyder built, but as an ensemble superhero film, it’s still closer to Suicide Squad rather than Infinity War.
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I've seen someone refer to GOTG as a great film, it was nothing but a breezy comedic watch to me. I'd rate both GOTG and snyder cut 7/10 for different reasons. Would I ever watch it or Zach Snyder cut ever again? Feck no.
Any other Marvel flick you think is a 'fantastic' movie?
Just finished it, I thought it was very good! Whedon can feck off. It was a nice change from all the Marvel shit. Can't wait for the sequel. But FFS put the fecking GL in it.
This is a weird response quoting his opinion.
Unless you're of the opinion no marvel movie can be great / fantastic for some reason
Agree with this. I know he's meant to be Luthor junior ( I think) but he comes off as a clown more than a genius
And superheroes love damaging as much property as possible. The insurance payouts must be high
Planning to watch this tonight. Am I the only one who felt BvS was a much better movie than the original Justice league and not as bad as most people make it out to be. The Batman vs Superman angle was great, Luthor's scheming was interesting, Doomsday seemed a better and more dangerous villian than Steppenwolf and Wonder Woman's role was short enough to not realise Gadot's acting inabilities. JL on the other hand was so bad, all superheroes being beaten around easily by Steppenwolf and then superman wakes up and beats him inside a couple of minutes. Hopefully the Snyder cut is not that bad.
You can go in with lower expectations and still be disappointed. See suicide Squad and ww84.
It was nice of them to talk one by one in order from left to right rather than the natural way of anybody could talk in any direction.
Also I see Whedon as not somebody who wants to tell a story but wants cool AF shots which will make awesome trailers
I think some people specifically watch things to make them mad and watching a movie for 4 hours is one of those things for sure. And if someone wants to do that its up to them, but its 100% offering them some entertainment - its just a twisted kind that indirectly gives them joy by first annoying them, then they have something to moan about and that makes them happy.
I watched about 25mins and thought it was rubbish and stopped watching.
Gal Gadot is awwwwwful.
I mean, what can you do more in Superhero movie?
Baddies come baddies go - common theme.
What separates Marvel from DC, is the blood, gore and godlike superheroes.
Better yet Snyder didn't make Superman the savior, instead they have failed and some underrated hero saved them.
What I like about this movie is - You can't save the world alone..this is the truth.
Yep she is terrible, they should of just went for someone like daddario
The only reason it became 4 hours is all the epilogue and foreshadowing scenes forcing the fans to initiate another turnaround from WB.
#RestoretheSnyderVerse. Heck I want JL 2.
The irony of you calling people nerds while posting multiple walls of texts... no, essays... dissecting a comic book movie, a Zack Snyder CBM at that...?
Not gonna lie though this has brought back memories of previous back and forths
Why do you still hold these lofty expectations?
More posts like this!
John Stewart please...
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You’ll like the Snyder cut.
I literally lol’ed when WW used her bracelet shockwave thingy to annihilate the dude who ran out of ammo, destroying a whole storey of building in the process, with nary a care in the world what potential damage the shattered glass and debris might have done to people below.
I checked out at that point. Watched another ten mins or so then thought, "What am I doing to myself?" and switched it off
Also, what the feck was the "you can be anything you want to be" scene right after that? It felt like pure pisstake.
This only works if it's not for cinema, and I assume that won't work because there's not much money to be made from big budgets like this only being made available for tv subscriptions.
I do however think sequels work if they hire somebody competent to plan this and use this as cannon (and scrap the Whedon version or say it happened on another earth)
Considering her quick movements, she could have easily disarmed him and had him tied up with the rope. . There wasn't a need to use the bracelet as it was used elsewhere in the movie (and in previous movies) so we know the power
That was wonder Woman basically being kind by saying 'actually you can't be me kid, but sure, try if you want'I checked out at that point. Watched another ten mins or so then thought, "What am I doing to myself?" and switched it off
Also, what the feck was the "you can be anything you want to be" scene right after that? It felt like pure pisstake.
I dont think the line and dialogue helped tbh. I think we know what Gal' strengths are, so should be playing more towards that.I totally got that from Gal Gadot's stellar acting
It was so lame.
i actually liked the scene for the most part, and it felt much better than anything involved in WW84.