I find it funny at how many people lose their shit about just stop oil protest disrupting sporting events for a small period of time before normal service is resumed, its clearly a heavily overreaction from right wing press who are able to influence the mass sheep in country that are easily fooled
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For people saying people losing hospital appointments or losing money bevause work delays
Air contamination costs 1.6 trillion USD a year in europe in human deaths and diseases ad 600.000 premature deaths
https://www.un.org/sustainabledevel...-year-in-deaths-and-diseases-un-study-shows/#
Air contamination costs 1.6 trillion USD a year in europe in human deaths and diseases ad 600.000 premature deaths
https://www.un.org/sustainabledevel...-year-in-deaths-and-diseases-un-study-shows/#
Who's gonna be the one to take issue with mildly screwing with Osborne's wedding (complaints about the mildness do not count) then?
Excited to see what embarrassing objections you can manage.
Excited to see what embarrassing objections you can manage.
You mean things like… our planet?
Feck.
By that same logic I could ask you: do you think their tactics further their cause? As in, are there people who go, "I didn't really care about the global warming, but now that I've been two hours late for work/picking up my kid I see things differently!!!"? I think it's fine to try and send messages at sporting events or when they punch upwards, against politicians and private jets or whatever. But this messing with the daily grind of regular people is punching downwards and I don't think they will win over many people that way.
I think in general some progressive movements have lost perspective and it feels like some upper class people are having their circle jerk, while "simple people" feel patronized and drift towards right wing populists.
I like it. It seems a suitably cnutish thing to do but in a very gentle, middle class old woman way. I'd imagine that lot hold that type of pageantry in high esteem "happiest day of my life" type of shit. Now it'll always be the looking like a gormless plum on camera not knowing if some strange woman waving some orange bits at me was supposed to be part of it day of my life.
Spoiling Tory happiness is a good political statement in itself but even if this was a member of a party I support or a celeb that I liked, who had done deals with the devil, I'd be for it. People being told what they've done seems the least of what should happen, even if it's done on their special day.
And yes it should have been oil, or blood, or the ashes of those who have died at the hands of Tory austerity.
No, it's pretty obvious that I meant the road blockages, sporting events etc.
I completely get them wanting to spread their cause as much as possible, and in a vacuum I love this because it couldn’t have happened to a nicer cnut, but this is so far beyond ‘just stopping oil’
- we need a role back on international travel and the eradication of private aircraft travel, which won’t happen
- we need a war-like economy for the building and installation of alternate energy sources such as onshore wind etc, which will take years that we don’t have
- then we’ll need to build the extra storage infrastructure, which will take years we don’t have
- we’ll need to roll back production of electronics etc which use resources that we have to dig and extract, which won’t happen as it’s too lucrative
- we need governments to roll out the insulation of all housing, conversion to heat pumps etc, FOR FREE for the user, which won’t happen
It’s just so far beyond the point of groups like this being able to make an impact, because political ‘leadership’ groups just do not care.
Barring revolution we’re fecked.
And all the while arseholes complain about roadblocks, or the tennis being delayed!
- we need a role back on international travel and the eradication of private aircraft travel, which won’t happen
- we need a war-like economy for the building and installation of alternate energy sources such as onshore wind etc, which will take years that we don’t have
- then we’ll need to build the extra storage infrastructure, which will take years we don’t have
- we’ll need to roll back production of electronics etc which use resources that we have to dig and extract, which won’t happen as it’s too lucrative
- we need governments to roll out the insulation of all housing, conversion to heat pumps etc, FOR FREE for the user, which won’t happen
It’s just so far beyond the point of groups like this being able to make an impact, because political ‘leadership’ groups just do not care.
Barring revolution we’re fecked.
And all the while arseholes complain about roadblocks, or the tennis being delayed!
We need a defense-economy. Immediately - post-haste.
The softly softly approach of the last 25 years has failed massively.
No point in continuing with a failed approach.
I had not read it before and I'm not claiming that I know the truth in this case. However the article makes a pretty broad point about disruption being likely effective in general. Which I don't disagree with at all. I'm not so sure however whether the current kind of disruption is the right strategic choice. And having said that, have you actually read the article?
Because the survey it links actually includes this question:
https://www.apollosurveys.org/social-change-and-protests/
Which is basically the point I (intuitively) made.
It's not really about Osborne (I've always thought he was a twat) but the principle. These protestors think it's acceptable to try and ruin someone's wedding to get attention for their pet issue, because they disagree with decisions he made years ago in public office. If we accept that this is okay then where does it end? Is the price of being a politician that you are fair game for the rest of your life - there will always be some group who vehemently disagrees with your decisions. The protestor in question got close enough to their target to throw confetti, what if it wasn't confetti but something far more dangerous? Are security teams expected to just wait and hope every time something like this happens? It seems to me this is a very dangerous path we are going down.
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The world sits on the edge of a massively difficult future for our children and grand children and people want to whinge about the inconvenience of events being disrupted.
But we're not talking about global warming. We're talking about them disrupting sporting events.
I agree too much is made of it but they do seem to want that publicity.
I think its daft. His wife isn't involved and the protester, like all the others, just seems happy to have gotten attention afterwards.
Hm, yeah, I may have been a bit quick here. Still, if 50% of scientists think this may have an effect, it doesn't seem like a poor tactic - especially given that nothing else seems to have worked anyway. I mean, what's the alternative at this point, after the many years of other kinds of protests and their ineffectiveness?I had not read it before and I'm not claiming that I know the truth in this case. However the article makes a pretty broad point about disruption being likely effective in general. Which I don't disagree with at all. I'm not so sure however whether the current kind of disruption is the right strategic choice. And having said that, have you actually read the article?
Because the survey it links actually includes this question:
https://www.apollosurveys.org/social-change-and-protests/
Which is basically the point I (intuitively) made.
I guess I appreciate you coming forwards regardless but you don't sound like your heart is sufficiently in it for it to be much fun proceeding from here.
I might be more motivated if some of these twats get killed tomorrow in the F1. Hopefully they don't dent the Mclarens.
If they aimed all their protests at massive thundercunts like George Osborne they'd have the nation on their side. James Corden next.
This is more Daily Mail than GB News, I think, though it's a big overlap.
We would have very angry people (who would otherwise be very concerned about the climate) saying things like this:
People who just blindly defend everything these idiots do are completely missing the point.
The idea of a protest is to raise awareness and affect change. To do this you need to either a) get people on your side in order to pressure decision makers, or b) directly affect change by your actions (e.g. if your protest actually stopped oil somehow).
If someome can explain how doing stuff like trying to stop a pride march will ever achieve either of these things, without sounding like a moron, fair play.
I'm actually convinced oil companies have managed to get people high up in this group on their pay roll, because a lot of what they do just seems to be deliberately designed to be counter productive and distract from the actual message. They literally do everything except for anything that might actually help to stop oil.
But then in recent years the left in general seems to have been semi taken over by people who just angrily do and say stuff for the sake of being left, rather than because they've engaged their brain at any point in the process. Then just shout and abuse anyone who tries to instill any reasoning to them.
Nothing will happen until this current government is ousted and all people like Just Stop Oil are doing is giving them a distraction by uniting people against something else.
The idea of a protest is to raise awareness and affect change. To do this you need to either a) get people on your side in order to pressure decision makers, or b) directly affect change by your actions (e.g. if your protest actually stopped oil somehow).
If someome can explain how doing stuff like trying to stop a pride march will ever achieve either of these things, without sounding like a moron, fair play.
I'm actually convinced oil companies have managed to get people high up in this group on their pay roll, because a lot of what they do just seems to be deliberately designed to be counter productive and distract from the actual message. They literally do everything except for anything that might actually help to stop oil.
But then in recent years the left in general seems to have been semi taken over by people who just angrily do and say stuff for the sake of being left, rather than because they've engaged their brain at any point in the process. Then just shout and abuse anyone who tries to instill any reasoning to them.
Nothing will happen until this current government is ousted and all people like Just Stop Oil are doing is giving them a distraction by uniting people against something else.
The fecking vapours from British people about mild protests is honestly pathetic. Country deserves nothing but perpetual shit
Target sporting events and block roads - "Stop inconveniencing the general public. They can't influence policy and change anything."
Target ex politician and general all round scumbag who had a direct influence on policy - "Well this is out of order."
Target ex politician and general all round scumbag who had a direct influence on policy - "Well this is out of order."
I wonder if France would still be a monarchy if the Jacobins had thrown confetti at Louis instead of lobbing his head of.
Honestly think lobbing heads of would be a better tactic in global warming. No real change without revolution. Not that I would wish a lobbed off head on anyone, that would be very wrong.
Honestly think lobbing heads of would be a better tactic in global warming. No real change without revolution. Not that I would wish a lobbed off head on anyone, that would be very wrong.
At the end of the day this is a country of serfs.
If people are going to clutch pearls because someone had some orange confetti thrown over them then I think the establishment can sleep safe and sound in their super yachts which will actually be considered quite a shrewd purchase in the coming years.
Actually 89% seem to think this may have an effect. Because 39% answered that it would be in the counterproductive realm. And more people answered highly counterproductive than highly effective. I was a little surprised just how bad the opinion about "less related venues is", but how can you look at that survey and say that what's happening is basically fine?
They surveyed four different strategies, two of them are 75% and 90% in the effective realm, with barely anyone checking the counterproductive option. One is 50/50 between doing something and no effect or being outright harmful and the fourth is basically: don't try this at home.
I think it gives a pretty clear indication of what would be the correct choice(s) and it's not - pick "50/50" and "75% bad".
Good post
The bolded isn't how it works. Martin Luther King was a massively controversial figure during his time. He had high unfavorability ratings, if there were internet boards back then someone would have been typing "I just don't like the mess they leave, I agree with the message, but the way they've gone about it is wrong and I can only assume the KKK have installed him as a plant, he's united the country against his cause and it's just going to make people hate them more". When the WSPU were being disruptive in public and setting buildings on fire, wise sages just shook their heads "They've simply proven why they don't deserve a vote". They're not trying to get everyone on side, no matter what these protests do it's not going to achieve that. They're trying to raise awareness and reach the minimum amount of people required. Time is running out and they have feck all chance of succeeding anyway, but props to them.
What sort of protest is going to stop oil directly? Assassinations? Bombs? The milquetoast nerds of this island can't handle some confetti I don't know how receptive they'd be towards that.
Can't deny their leader doesn't have a way with words.
You hit the nail on the head so well that I can’t even add anything more to it so I’m just commenting to say I completely agree with every word of that
The present day pussification of MLK Jr is probably one of the most depressing and hilarious things I've seen.
To anyone suggesting their protests are pointless ‘because we all know about and accept climate change & global warming’
The replies to that really do highlight how far in the gutter Twitter has ended up.
Yeah but if you let people believe that the real lesson of the Civil Rights movement was that you need an even more radical flank to scare people into compromising with the lesser one, people might actually disrupt shit…. Better to let them think it was all just about being nice and doing some walking
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