Not all. Some of them will be agent saboteurs from the police. It’s well known that horny cops have been using the environmental movement as a dating agency for years
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
So by that 'logic' if there were more JSO protesters and roads blocked it would be ok?
Its obvious you just don't like the cause and are making yourself look foolish trying to argue the point without saying as much. It's also turning the thread to mush so if you do want to argue further, take a pause before you articulate what it is you are trying to say.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
Support for the climate crisis doesn’t equate to supporting these people or their actions.
I apologise. All that remains then are your incomprehensible and contradictory ramblings. So just stop. It's wrecking the thread.
That then doesn’t give them carte blanche to break the law.
They're against the climate crisis, I can't think why you would support it, though that would explain your stance in this thread
Plant would be the guy saying he supported women's right to vote but why did those ladies have to break windows and set post boxes on fire? Couldn't they have just protested peacefully?
There’s a difference though. It’s one thing inconveniencing/getting the attention of the elites who can affect what you want (throwing yourself under the kings horse for instance) and another to be blocking the way of working people, preventing the sick from getting to hospital, and causing an orange mess for minimum wage employees to clean up. As much as people want to dismiss this as necessary collateral damage, what did it accomplish? Not much by the sound of things. Did it influence policy? Could that have been done by taking a different approach? If so then surely that’s the better move, isn’t it? That’s all I think most in here are saying.
The madness of the militants… the small body of misguided women who profess to represent the noble and serious cause of political enfranchisement of women, but in fact do their utmost to degrade and hinder it.
Manchester Guardian (2 March 1912)
I have no doubt history will be much nicer to jso and other organizations alike than to the people complaining about blocked roads or orange paint.
The suffragettes repeatedly tried to disable the train service, and they attacked the general public on a lot of occasions.
They weren't as popular as people like to make out these days, they divided public opinion then as much as JSO does today, even now a lot of historians can't agree on whether the 'militant' tactics that a minority used were effective or not
I think most sensible people would agree that climate change needs to be tackled, just that standing in the way of working people and stopping critical public services isn’t the way to do it.
Whether history even remembers them at all remains to be seen. At least the suffragettes actually had an impact.
Fighting climate change requires great societal change, can you think of any such change that came after protests that didn't inconvenience the public?
Most of the work safety and public health regulations since the Industrial Revolution. In Britain anyway. I’m not saying those in charge just gave up ground without a fight, or that they didn’t need to be threatened. Every right the working classes, women, minorities etc have today is as a result of years of hard work to win them. But you go after those in charge, not the people you want to join you in your cause.
I didn’t say it hadn’t happened ever?
What did that result in? Most of those strikes resulted in defeat for the strikers and the whole lot got overshadowed by WW1 before any real results.
I asked when it happened peacefully and you responded with "Most of the work safety and public health regulations since the Industrial Revolution". I was just pointing out that wasn't the case.
In 1912 nearly one million coal miners went on strike, including miners in the Ironbridge Gorge, to fight for a national minimum wage. This was Britain’s first national miners’ strike. It ended successfully for the miners after 37 days as the government passed the Coal Mines Act, which provided minimum wage protection.
https://www.ironbridge.org.uk/learn...illion,which provided minimum wage protection.
There were also various social and industrial legislative reforms, including the 1911 National Insurance Act and 1912 Miners’ Minimum Wage Act.
https://jacobin.com/2023/06/britain... strike,in the total power of organized labor.
But it is? One example doesn’t mean all other reform came about in the same way. Most public health and workplace safety reforms were made through trial and error, campaigning/strikes and similar means. The point being there doesn’t always have to be carnage/violence to bring about change.
I would argue all those reforms came on the back of the initial struggle.
People peacefully holding television screens depicting the horrors of factory farming are dicks?
I am strongly against animal cruelty. I don’t eat animal products, and my brother is a saboteur. My dad writes for vegan magazines and actively participate in protests.
None of us like these guys because they damage the cause. They generally make people actively dislike vegans and what they stand for. They aren’t helping, and the ones I’ve met just seem to be involved for their own ego.
I commend you and your family for standing against animal cruelty. That’s something I genuinely respect. And I’m sorry to hear that your experiences with the people involved in this kind of activism have been so negative. I know the tactics used by the likes of AV can be polarising, and I understand why that might leave a bad impression on some.
That said, different approaches resonate with different people, and for some, the more direct style can be very impactful. It’s not something I’m personally involved in, but calling them all a bunch of dicks just feels a bit harsh to me. I think most of them are just really passionate, even if their delivery doesn’t always land with everyone.
Okay fair play, I probably shouldn’t have called them that. In my defence I was quite drunk when I posted that.
Don’t drink and post.
Direct action group Just Stop Oil holds final protest, claiming it has been 'successful'
Just Stop Oil insists it's been "successful" - as it ceremoniously hangs up its orange high-vis vests during a march in central London on Saturday.
Just Stop Oil insists it's been "successful" - as it ceremoniously hangs up its orange high-vis vests during a march in central London on Saturday.
Sounds like a rebrand due to unpopularity. The North Sea drilling will be brought up again and when it does those voices will come back in a different form.
Fairly long analysis on BBC outlining how they've set protesting back in the UK, pissing the vast majority of the public off despite championing a popular cause.