Yeah, when we saw you foaming at the mouth spewing bile, we all just thought - this guy has got top bantz.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Yeah, when we saw you foaming at the mouth spewing bile, we all just thought - this guy has got top bantz.
The 3pts at Arsenal looks a bit opportune given that Wenger hadn't bothered to get his team ready for the start of the season. But they did lose at Burnley off the back.of 80% possession & 125 shots or whatever it was. I don't see the points gained at Spurs or Chelsea as being any kind of mugging or scandal.
Of anybody it's the Arse that have got a few too many points cos of the ridiculous refereeing decisions that are being served up to the Goons on most weekends.
I'm also surprised at the commitment to Utd being serious contenders given what our next two games are. Nil point (French accent) would probably see us off for this season
But you never know, the showboating bellend homeless Hulk lookalike might not be at the opticians Tuesday week. But I think he has probably already made the appointment tbh with you,
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Of anybody it's the Arse that have got a few too many points cos of the ridiculous refereeing decisions that are being served up to the Goons on most weekends.
I'm also surprised at the commitment to Utd being serious contenders given what our next two games are. Nil point (French accent) would probably see us off for this season
But you never know, the showboating bellend homeless Hulk lookalike might not be at the opticians Tuesday week. But I think he has probably already made the appointment tbh with you,
.So Liverpoolfans are racists now..?! Is that really the level the banter on here is at? Come on.
Cantona and Keane both had a well known violent episode, and were both hailed and supported by all Manchester United supporters as some of your greatest players and captains (and rightly so!). But that doesn't make you all violent criminals, does it?
The whole Suarez/Evra thing wasn't handled very well, and I am definitely not going into a debate about it. But if anyone really think, that we, as a group, are more racist than other groups of supporters..
Cantona and Keane both had a well known violent episode, and were both hailed and supported by all Manchester United supporters as some of your greatest players and captains (and rightly so!). But that doesn't make you all violent criminals, does it?
The whole Suarez/Evra thing wasn't handled very well, and I am definitely not going into a debate about it. But if anyone really think, that we, as a group, are more racist than other groups of supporters..
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Couldn't give a toss about the Suarez/Evra thing to be honest...
But I'll say this, Dalglish getting the team to wear t-shirts for Suarez has to be up there with one of the most cringeworthy, embarrassing things I've ever seen in football.
The fact that they publicly sided with him, just because Evra played for United... just ugh.
But I'll say this, Dalglish getting the team to wear t-shirts for Suarez has to be up there with one of the most cringeworthy, embarrassing things I've ever seen in football.
The fact that they publicly sided with him, just because Evra played for United... just ugh.
I don't think, it was just because Evra played for you, but yeah.. That is probably not our proudest momentCouldn't give a toss about the Suarez/Evra thing to be honest...
But I'll say this, Dalglish getting the team to wear t-shirts for Suarez has to be up there with one of the most cringeworthy, embarrassing things I've ever seen in football.
The fact that they publicly sided with him, just because Evra played for United... just ugh.
Not really. Your club whole heartedly backed Suarez after he engaged in some racist behavior, as did tons of Liverpool fans. It wasn't so much tribalism of rival fans beating you with an opportunist stick as opposed to everyone beating you with a deserved swing of the stick for going down the appalling route.
It's also completely unrelated to the Giggs story. That's his personal matter. This was your club sinking to low levels.
What even has this thread become jesus. Looks like it started with a couple united fans wanting to call liverpool fans delusional even though nobody was actually being delusional, then an argument on the intricacies of racism? Oh well lmao.
Anyways back on topic, I agree with the poster that said City will likely win the title, Guardiola's football is ideally suited and regimented to league football and they look capable of putting 5/6 game winning runs together, although having said that I dont think it will be plain sailing for them and theyre just as likely to not win it as they are. Theres no doubt hes done a marvellous job implementing his style on the side and the coaching and difference in some of there players is astounding but ultimately even he will struggle as theres only so much you can coach and maximise a player. For example when the window closed I was actually surprised he didnt bring in players more suited to the way he likes to play at full-back but I was equally surprised at how well they ended up doing regardless of that, however I dont expect them to maintain and I think this City side will have 4 more starters by this time next year. He may still win the title but I would be dissapointed if he did, it would be a testament to his coaching ability though.
As for United im fascinated tactically by what Mourinhos doing, he's shied away from his usual prototype of implementing a transitional style of play, its the primary reason why Mata is integral to him now it'll be interesting to see if he can make the change this late in his career. Attacking winning football is what United fans and the board wanted and I think Jose has agreed to try and implement that, your play at the moment from what I have caught has been more chances created because of the sheer individual quality on the pitch, rather than quality chances being churned out by a system and style of play. Players that I was expecting to have big roles under Jose this year were the likes of Schneiderlin and Depay, two players ideally suited to playing in the transition. If it doesnt work out I suspect he'll revert back to type, could be a turbulent season for you guys but as long as you dont sack him I still think he will bring long-term success.
As for us I was hoping we'd try and mount a top four challenge and with the start we've had we look to be on course for that, dont think we will challenge, I think there'll be slip ups and consistency may still plague us, I think a lot will be down to Klopp, if we deal well with injuries and whatnot and adapt well to whatever scenarios come out way theres a possiblity we could challenge but we could just as likely tail off, who knows? Our squad depth is largely good but we are short in a couple key areas. CB is good although ideally Sakho would partner Matip and I think theres a chance we'll see that at some point provided the former keeps his head down. However Mane is a massive part of our attacking game and we have nobody in the squad to replicate what he does and without him in the side its a lot easier to blunt us, not sure what we'll do when he goes to the AFCON. I'd like to see us dip in to the market and try and secure someone with similar attributes but I cant see that happening. We havent done major buisness in January since 2013. Overall I'm happy with the start but still a long way to go.
Anyways back on topic, I agree with the poster that said City will likely win the title, Guardiola's football is ideally suited and regimented to league football and they look capable of putting 5/6 game winning runs together, although having said that I dont think it will be plain sailing for them and theyre just as likely to not win it as they are. Theres no doubt hes done a marvellous job implementing his style on the side and the coaching and difference in some of there players is astounding but ultimately even he will struggle as theres only so much you can coach and maximise a player. For example when the window closed I was actually surprised he didnt bring in players more suited to the way he likes to play at full-back but I was equally surprised at how well they ended up doing regardless of that, however I dont expect them to maintain and I think this City side will have 4 more starters by this time next year. He may still win the title but I would be dissapointed if he did, it would be a testament to his coaching ability though.
As for United im fascinated tactically by what Mourinhos doing, he's shied away from his usual prototype of implementing a transitional style of play, its the primary reason why Mata is integral to him now it'll be interesting to see if he can make the change this late in his career. Attacking winning football is what United fans and the board wanted and I think Jose has agreed to try and implement that, your play at the moment from what I have caught has been more chances created because of the sheer individual quality on the pitch, rather than quality chances being churned out by a system and style of play. Players that I was expecting to have big roles under Jose this year were the likes of Schneiderlin and Depay, two players ideally suited to playing in the transition. If it doesnt work out I suspect he'll revert back to type, could be a turbulent season for you guys but as long as you dont sack him I still think he will bring long-term success.
As for us I was hoping we'd try and mount a top four challenge and with the start we've had we look to be on course for that, dont think we will challenge, I think there'll be slip ups and consistency may still plague us, I think a lot will be down to Klopp, if we deal well with injuries and whatnot and adapt well to whatever scenarios come out way theres a possiblity we could challenge but we could just as likely tail off, who knows? Our squad depth is largely good but we are short in a couple key areas. CB is good although ideally Sakho would partner Matip and I think theres a chance we'll see that at some point provided the former keeps his head down. However Mane is a massive part of our attacking game and we have nobody in the squad to replicate what he does and without him in the side its a lot easier to blunt us, not sure what we'll do when he goes to the AFCON. I'd like to see us dip in to the market and try and secure someone with similar attributes but I cant see that happening. We havent done major buisness in January since 2013. Overall I'm happy with the start but still a long way to go.
So why don't you start up a thread about racism in football then & let everyone else debate the topic in question. It seems you were the only one offended by the 'banter' relating to Asian food. Are you smarter than the average United fan then ? Is it only you, & your x-ray-racism vision, who can see what others can't ?
Never mind though, I'm sure Jose & his expensively assembled squad will turn us over next week at Anfield. Which means you can come on here with confidence & tell everyone how our manager is a fraud, & our team is average & over-rated. Sadly, until then I suppose we're going to have to put up with you trying to derail what has been a sensible, mature, thread.
I don't think what you & @PickledRed are saying is a completely either/or thing. I therefore agree with both of you,
.Nice post @Liver_bird, I have wondered if Mourinho is at Utd on some kind of basis that he does things a bit differently.
For all the Klopp lovers on here, go be Liverpool fans and have fun.
you'd have to be wearing Paddy C like glasses to not be impressed by Klopp. Despite some of the negativity when we were linked with him, Mane is a serious game changer, and they have a couple more. I think the league has equally starting 11's (not fully convinced by ours yet) but honesty will the ridiculously high tempo pressing game people are playing, no one can do a Leicester and win the league with 15 players, and this will be liverpools and others undoing. We have a deep squad and whilst it's arguably about some, a bench like Smalling/Blind, Blind/Shaw, Sch/Felliani, Mata/Rooney, Rashford/Martial/Mikki I think will make difference.
That said, can't see us getting anything for the Liverpool game.
That said, can't see us getting anything for the Liverpool game.
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You are right it is a squad game and that's why we won't challenge for the title for a while yet.
Klopp needs to add 2 or 3 quality players in future windows to take us that step further - he has already significantly re-balanced the squad with all the outgoings this summer.
That said we have had at times Coutinho, Sturridge, Grujic, Can and Origi on the bench with others like Ings not even managing that.
I agree but the challenge for Liverpool I think is holding onto the players. I think the other issue is they don't appear to have a plan B, when plan A isn't working.
There are dozens of Asian fans on here who I'm sure don't like their ethnicity being used as a derogatory reference point for the Man United fanbase. Just because they didn't pile in to tell the offender they were offended (likely attracting more ridicule and 'proving the point') does that mean the comment was any less casually racist or offensive to Asians? I made one small comment in response, and found the wagons circling around the offender. Becoming a common theme...
The rest of your post is garbage barely worth responding to. Unlike your blind hatred for successful United managers, Klopp is well regarded and respected for the most part on here.
As far as holding onto the players it depends on success I guess. But that is the same at most clubs.
If Barcelona or Real Madrid come calling for anyone, it's not easy to turn down.
Mane was an expensive buy and was excited at coming to Liverpool - problem is we can't match the salaries elsewhere, crazy money in the game now.
That's fair tbh.
#NotTopReds
Hopefully common sense will start to prevail after ShitBeard has launched his bins into orbit 3-4 times next Monday night.
Bet the look at me, look at me, snow white tracky gets a run-out for the night game too. The fookin' bellend.
#MuchMoreLikeIt
Bet the look at me, look at me, snow white tracky gets a run-out for the night game too. The fookin' bellend.
#MuchMoreLikeIt
For me as an "objective outsider" its some kind like:
Klopps tactics have the possibility to win something in your area, cause in my eyes the PL and the football at your island is tacticly poor since a decade, here Klopp will have improvements. Also its obvious that Klopp and Klopps style of football fits to Liverpool. That was the first and very thinking of all the BVB fans and germans interested in football. Therefor this is an advance f.e. im comparison to the United (until now), where a philosophy and style of play, an identity, is desperatly sought since Moyes and Van Gaal. While Liverpool is trying to form an consistent "thing" in the club ,their players and their tactics, and got their start for this sorted out (Klopp fits therefor perfectly), United still has to do this and its open if Mourinho is capable of doing this longterm in forming a base for success over years. To win something constantly Liverpool has to develop a lot, Klopp only is really not enough, its also senseless to compare the sucesses of Dortmund with Klopp, cause Dortmund simply got more than Klopp. Sure, he was the main character in our successes, but he got a base of the finest work a club can do. This Liverpool still has to show, if they can do something similiar, and not only for one transferwindow or one season, no over many season with constant growing, being capable of getting better in the League and also in cups especially Europe at the same time. They are now at the beginning and we will see if thei can progress. But: They are ahead in the development, despite some United fans would say" we got he better players". Klopp is longer at Liverpool than Mourinho is at United, and he proofed that he is able to start something. Mourinho has to proof. And its not so sure if United simply got the better players and therefor will be better. They thrown money out of the window,sure, but if this leads to a better team we will see. If i would have to bet, and say who will get the best development in the next 1 - 2 years, i would bet on Liverpool, cause i cant see any concept in Uniteds tranferpolicy nor iam thinking that Mourinho can form a team which is constantly growing,getting better, and form a base for the future of the club.Sure Liverpool has to show all these things too, in my eyes both boards are stupid, but somehow i trust Klopp in building something up for the future more than Mourinho. Not only in terms of concept but also in terms of teamspirit, an aim where everybody is fighting for, a basis of style which you can rely on for years, building a consistancy in the whole club.
Klopps tactics have the possibility to win something in your area, cause in my eyes the PL and the football at your island is tacticly poor since a decade, here Klopp will have improvements. Also its obvious that Klopp and Klopps style of football fits to Liverpool. That was the first and very thinking of all the BVB fans and germans interested in football. Therefor this is an advance f.e. im comparison to the United (until now), where a philosophy and style of play, an identity, is desperatly sought since Moyes and Van Gaal. While Liverpool is trying to form an consistent "thing" in the club ,their players and their tactics, and got their start for this sorted out (Klopp fits therefor perfectly), United still has to do this and its open if Mourinho is capable of doing this longterm in forming a base for success over years. To win something constantly Liverpool has to develop a lot, Klopp only is really not enough, its also senseless to compare the sucesses of Dortmund with Klopp, cause Dortmund simply got more than Klopp. Sure, he was the main character in our successes, but he got a base of the finest work a club can do. This Liverpool still has to show, if they can do something similiar, and not only for one transferwindow or one season, no over many season with constant growing, being capable of getting better in the League and also in cups especially Europe at the same time. They are now at the beginning and we will see if thei can progress. But: They are ahead in the development, despite some United fans would say" we got he better players". Klopp is longer at Liverpool than Mourinho is at United, and he proofed that he is able to start something. Mourinho has to proof. And its not so sure if United simply got the better players and therefor will be better. They thrown money out of the window,sure, but if this leads to a better team we will see. If i would have to bet, and say who will get the best development in the next 1 - 2 years, i would bet on Liverpool, cause i cant see any concept in Uniteds tranferpolicy nor iam thinking that Mourinho can form a team which is constantly growing,getting better, and form a base for the future of the club.Sure Liverpool has to show all these things too, in my eyes both boards are stupid, but somehow i trust Klopp in building something up for the future more than Mourinho. Not only in terms of concept but also in terms of teamspirit, an aim where everybody is fighting for, a basis of style which you can rely on for years, building a consistancy in the whole club.
Or maybe they weren't actually offended at all. Maybe they don't see someone using a reference as to what food they eat as being racist. Perhaps it's only someone looking for a angle to cause a bit of shit-stirring who thought otherwise. I don't know Krafty. What do you think ?
Would it kill you to use the return key every once in a while?
Don't do it for me though, I stopped reading at "objective outsider" anyway
You're hardly a fecking objective outsider when you support Dortmund.
All you've really said there is United and Liverpool both have similar problems to face but you blindly believe that Liverpool will come out on top because they have Klopp (despite saying Klopp isn't enough)
Sorry, but i was noticed in my very first posts, that for "formation" i use the return button to often. Since then i didnt use it anymore in here.Would it kill you to use the return key every once in a while?
Don't do it for me though, I stopped reading at "objective outsider" anyway
I'm done with you redman. You outed yourself as a bigot during the Suarez-Evra so your POV is worthless here.
No i dont "blindly" believe. It could be also, that Klopp got some improvements this year, but get stuck in the next year, and every team in the PL are playing like all the Bundesliga teams in his last year at Dortmund to avoid the Pressing and Gegenpressing, and Kloppp still got no remedy against it. While massiv tranfers leads United to some success.
But at this point i got a slightly feeling that they are ahead for a development. Espacially cause of the transfers. I thought Mourinho will sort out something like 10 players, and bring in 5-8 new players, cause in my eyes this is strongly necessary. But he didnt. While with Klopps work i can see a plan, and he really started to form his team. Last points from them proofed this.
And to get back to the topic: This is even to less to win the league. By far to less. But if its goes on, maybe he will win something, a cup or so. But for the league? They need massiv improvemnts in the suqd especially some deepness, they hardly get a firts squad on the pitch and if you want something also in other competitions with this Pressing-system you need a lot of good stuff. I see City miles ahead of both, you and Liverpool, their squad has to sorted out too but Pep got something to start with especially midfield and upfront. Liverpool has a mediocre squad and need more deepness and better first choices. But so are you: a mediocre squad with some diamonds in there which stil dont shine despite their potential (Pogba, Micki,Martial, De Gea the only ones for me which you can use as a core and win something,also in the future, thats to less for sure).
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Please start though, passages are key.
After reading your posts about ManUtd and how far off the mark you are, it's hard to consider your objectivity.
Please, i try! 2 interesting things for the near future:
Are some teams clever enough to watch some videos of Klopps last year here to learn how to win against his "only pressing" team?
Cause that was the biggest fault of him: For years we were desperate to see a plan B for teams that avoid the Pressing and Gegenpressing and/or park the bus, and he never delivered this, he was talking a lot about it, but never got the slightest idea how to do it, his recipt when it comes to this problem was only "hmm, then we need just more pressing", and it never worked, what leads us to being facilitated when he leaved.
Will Mourinho be able to buid something up? In terms of squad you can develop and rely on for years, and in terms of a style the United stands for.
The answers of this two points will show who will finish above the other.
But you do blindly believe it.
You say Liverpool are ahead in their development, referring to a style of play, but completely ignore the fact that Klopp has been at Liverpool for a year, and Mourinho has managed United for 3 months. You've written off Mourinho and United after just 7 league games, completely ignored Klopp's incredibly underwhelming first season at Liverpool, and entirely disregarded the probable improvements made at United by this time next year.
You've come up with some nonsense about United needing to get rid of 10 players and bring in 8 new ones, in one transfer window no less, then go on to praise Klopp's building of Liverpool's squad when James Milner is now the first choice left-back, whilst acknowledging that there is still very little strength in depth. You said yourself that you thought United needed 5-8 new players as some sort of radical squad overhaul, but despite Klopp bringing in 6 players this summer and 1 in January, there are still glaring weaknesses in the Liverpool squad.
You've even acknowledged that Klopp's Plan A was found out during his time at Dortmund, and that he seemed completely incapable of coming up with a Plan B. Which, if anything, indicates that he needs success sooner rather than later, because the longer it takes the more chance he's got of being found out here. You also acknowledge that City are better, and that United have far greater spending power, but despite all of this, your objective opinion, that is not at all influenced by your affection to Jurgen Klopp and the success he brought Dortmund, it is Liverpool that you see marching ahead of United over the coming seasons?
No you overestimate what ive said. Bringing in only Pogba,Micki, an unknown CB, and an old Ibra (who will only help this or next season and isnt a player you can build on a system for the future) is far to less to "make a stamp". While at Liverpool i see them forming a Kloppsquad. And i said clearly that they need strongly more improvements, but they started with it. Mourinhos transfers are only some cosmetics, to less to say "its a strong start and you see where this is going". You are right, there is zero squaddeepness in Pools squad, they need to improve more if they want to be ready to play Kloops style every week, especially if they want to play in Europe too. I dont know who will be better than the other, Liverpool or United, it could go in both directions. But i see glimpses more of improvements at Liverpool than at United.
You also apparently have no idea why we signed the players we did. Ibra, although old, provides some much needed experience up top when our other strikers are Martial and Rashford, and Rooney's clearly not favoured. I find it odd that you single out Ibra as a player that we can't build a system around, but completely ignore that perhaps a 23 year old Pogba and a 22 year old Bailly are players that, alongside a 25 year old De Gea, a 21 year old Shaw, a 20 year old Martial and an 18 year old Rashford, are precisely the sort of players you can build a system around. Additionally, when you bring in experienced quality like Mkhitaryan that you can still get a number of good years out of, and put him in a squad amongst more proven quality like Mata, Herrera, Blind and Smalling, there's obviously a lot more than simply "throwing money out of the window" going on here, and evidence of some serious planning for the future.
As for Liverpool's Kloppsquad, he's made 7 signings, one of which is a 39 year old, 3rd choice keeper, and another a 30 year old backup centre back. He's ended up converting James Milner to a left-back, and is currently without a recognised centre-forward, relying on 2 players who's average league goals over the last 3 seasons barely top 10 each to provide the firepower. As with Dortmund, and with Liverpool in the past, there's a reasonably high chance that any exceptional performers are cherry picked by bigger teams before any sort of system can be built around them anyway.
Also, you see glimpses of more improvements in a squad that's had a year under their current manager, when compared to a squad that's had 2-3 months under their current manager? It's almost as if these things take time.
It's strange that you're criticising Klopp for not playing a recognised striker when we're scoring goals that way. Milner's been very good at left back as well so surely that's proved to be a good decision so far? Isn't it considered good management if a manager can fix a problem area without spending money on a new player, even if it's a short term fix?
Does anyone else find it a bit odd that all the Liverpool players seem to suddenly be capable of sprinting far more, and for longer than the opposition?
I watched Lallana for years at Southampton, good player, nice technique but physically not a top player. Even when he was their best player he'd usually be withdrawn after 65-70 mins as he didn't have the stamina. Now at the age of 28 he's suddenly capable of high intensity pressing football for 90 minutes... He's not the only one I'm suspicious about either, Milner looks to be the fittest player in the league now getting up and down the pitch from left back. This guy started at the same age as Rooney and prob has played as much football, while Rooney's legs have gone, Milner is doing this naturally?
I think we'd be niave to think our sport is completely clean of performance enhancing drugs based on the revelations in other top level sports.
I watched Lallana for years at Southampton, good player, nice technique but physically not a top player. Even when he was their best player he'd usually be withdrawn after 65-70 mins as he didn't have the stamina. Now at the age of 28 he's suddenly capable of high intensity pressing football for 90 minutes... He's not the only one I'm suspicious about either, Milner looks to be the fittest player in the league now getting up and down the pitch from left back
. This guy started at the same age as Rooney and prob has played as much football, while Rooney's legs have gone, Milner is doing this naturally?I think we'd be niave to think our sport is completely clean of performance enhancing drugs based on the revelations in other top level sports.
Joint top scorers in the league with several so far chipping in, Milner utilised at left back when the manager didn't see a suitable replacement, Klavan experienced back up defender & Manninger potential role as a future coach I understand.
All very logical to me, but in the weird and wacky world of others....
You're very passive aggressive aren't you Johnny?
As for the signings, they're unspectacular, not unusually talented, but fit into the Liverpool ethos of being able to run very hard for 90 minutes, something that has characterised many of their sides. Rodgers and Benitez followed that model for instance.
I'm sure we're not the only team playing a midfielder at full back...
Milner's your current top scorer in the league. Coutinho, Firmino, Mane and Lallana all have 3 a piece at the moment, but I'd be very surprised if they continue to keep this up throughout the season, and would expect goals to dry up for at least two of them at some point. If Firmino and Mane get 35 between them they've done well. Lallana's best in a season is 15 in League One (9 in PL), Coutinho's 8, Mane's 16 in the Austrian Bundesliga (11 in PL), and Firmino's 16 for Hoffenheim. You're also going to be without Mane whilst the ACoN is on. There's also the fact that of the 12 goals they've got between them, half came in the two drubbings of Leicester and Hull.
Valencia's looked good at right-back at times for United. I'm still not satisfied that he's good enough to be first choice right-back for a team with ambitions to challenge on all fronts, and would very much hope that a proper full-back is brought in during the next window. The fact you've not kept a clean-sheet yet this season would indicate that would indicate that there are still some problems present at the back, and I imagine a midfielder at full-back is not helping matters. When I'm responding to a claim about Klopp apparently doing a great job of squad building, do you not think pointing to a stop-gap full-back is a reasonable counter?
You do realise that all of the points I made regarding those players were in response to a claim that there were clear signs that Klopp was building a "Kloppsquad" whilst there apparently being no sign of United doing anything in the transfer market that even hints at building a system?
Milner's a stop-gap, it was in this thread that people were using Klavan's inclusion in the team as a sign of severe weakness, and a near 40 year old 3rd choice keeper being signed potentially as a coach does not exactly scream fecking squad building, which was the claim I was responding to.
And I'm hoping that we resolve that issue sooner rather than later, whereas the "objective outside opinion" was that Milner at full-back was part of Klopp's superior squad building.
It isnt. I said that they need a lot of more improvements. Decent FBs are one. But i see some steps Liverpool made until this moment. While with Mourinho i got questionmarks over my head. A offensive midfielder right and center, and a cm midfielder (Micki and Pogba) were the absolut minimum. Whats up with Mourinho? What he wants to play? Were this is going? You see a plan in terms of suqadbuilding and/or in terms of "we create a system for us"? And honestly, if Liverpool had thrown such amount of money out of the window like United in the last years and still got no progress, wouldnt it be here the place where a lot of United fans would say "Haha look at them, and they still need such a lot, what a bad squadbuilding." ??