It would be bad for Liverpool if he did as I think he's still the best manager in the world. Hard to see how he recovers this though.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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It would be bad for Liverpool if he did as I think he's still the best manager in the world. Hard to see how he recovers this though.
He wasn't sacked at Dortmund and he wasn't forced out. He made his resignation public after they had already steadied the ship and he finished the season inside the EL ranks (not a bad finish, considering the team hit rock bottom halfway through the season) and reaching the cup final. After so many years with largely the same squad things had gotten stale and it was either him leaving or the club breaking up an otherwise pretty good squad for the sake of changing things up and giving new impulses. At the time him resigning was the logical option, because the alternative wasn't feasible for Dortmund economically.
It's pretty much the same situation at Liverpool, isn't it? They added players here and there, but the core of the team has played under him for many years, they had their success together and maybe it got a bit harder to motivate themselves for the daily grind - playing the same football, for the same club, under the same coach with the same team mates and they don't have the money to just make big transfers for the sake of creating a new itch.
Unlike at Dortmund most of their (former) top performers are around 30 now, so if Klopp himself is still motivated I could see them stay with him and try to start another cycle, but getting rid of the old guard.
It's pretty much the same situation at Liverpool, isn't it? They added players here and there, but the core of the team has played under him for many years, they had their success together and maybe it got a bit harder to motivate themselves for the daily grind - playing the same football, for the same club, under the same coach with the same team mates and they don't have the money to just make big transfers for the sake of creating a new itch.
Unlike at Dortmund most of their (former) top performers are around 30 now, so if Klopp himself is still motivated I could see them stay with him and try to start another cycle, but getting rid of the old guard.
So the players have clearly stopped playing for him now, why would that be?
I think money is a tricky one in football, because how much you spend and how you perform doesn’t parallel as much as it should do. We’ve spent similarly to City over say the last 6 years, but not performed as well because we’ve wasted money and negotiated prices poorly. But we’ve done a lot better than mid table sides because we can outspend them consistently.
Similar to your lot this year, Nunez and Gakpo could both end up good signings in a couple of years but you didn’t need them right now, and probably paid a bit of a premium compared to their current ability.
Ye we just threw money at the problem but that doesn’t always work. You need an actual manager who coaches players and improves player. We now have a modern manager who is obviously over achieving this season… he’s got into a final and his 3rd in the league in his first season. You’ve had your manager for years and your squad. Although you’ve added a few additions which obviously aren’t working yet. Your biggest problem is the problem we’ve had for years, abandoned the midfield. Signing Casemiro has shown how vital it is to have a midfielder who brings the rest of the team together.
Injuries, fatigue, no momentum would certainly contribute Id say.
Heavy metal has had its day.
I think most managers, including Tuchel are a step down from good Klopp. And there were a lot of circumstances that met together to help Klopp which won’t be there for his predecessor (a very weak league in 2015 for starters).
Is Tuchel someone who can drag a whole club up and make all the signings look like master strokes? He’s never done that. In fact, he’s always been a nightmare with new signings. He lost his job at Dortmund over wanting Oliver Torres and after winning the CL at Chelsea he went in for Romelu (FFS).
I’m not that sure he’d be all that following Klopp, even if Klopp looks done right now.
Currently 5/1 on being the next PL manager sacked. How the times have changed
I think Klopp will stick until the end of the season, then walk referencing that he has 'taken them as far as he can'.
What people fail to see is how appalling, imbalanced and (and old) their squad is. Whoever comes in next will struggle badly. Love to see it!
What people fail to see is how appalling, imbalanced and (and old) their squad is. Whoever comes in next will struggle badly. Love to see it!
Really? Wow. Is he favourite to go next then?
Can people please stop pretending that Tuchel is married to a back 3/5. just because he deemed that setup the best fit for his Chelsea side?
It's clearly not true:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/thoma...=&verein_id=&liga=&wettbewerb_id=&trainer_id=
Now its all about hip-hop football
Why would the board, who largely don't give a feck, go out and hire a guy who goes to war with every board he works under because he wants new signings? They might as well go for Conte as well.
It's Gerrard, Frank or Pochettino next.
Watched MOTD, 3-0 to Wolves was a kind result on Liverpool, could have easily been 5 or more.
I assume this is a little tongue in cheek.
His record is no way comparable to SAF. And if SAF finished, say, 8th in this day and age he might be asked to move upstairs. That’s with 13 league titles and two UCLs.
Isn't this how it has been for all his clubs?
Amazing for a few years, then crash and burn. Considering how good most people thinks he is, it's quite strange that he isn't able to see this himself, and do something about it.
Amazing for a few years, then crash and burn. Considering how good most people thinks he is, it's quite strange that he isn't able to see this himself, and do something about it.
I didn't say anywhere that his record is comparable to SAF, it obviously isn't.
It's weird that he seems to lose the dressing room at some point in every club. Why is that? Fergie never did, Pep doesn't seem to, even some of the big names around Europe never seem to lose their players in this manner.
Pep is definitely better than Klopp.
We saw with Guardiola only a couple of weeks ago that he was prepared to publicly throw his team and the City fanbase under the bus when he saw complacency setting in. Sir Alex did the same when standards weren’t being met. Maybe Klopp wants to be everyone’s friend too much. He hasn’t lost the dressing room. The dressing room has lost him.
He's an absolute cnut but it would be stupid for them to sack him after his first real bad run.
Astute observation this actually, you could be on to something.
When do they sack him then? When they're fighting relegation? They tried to bring new players in during January in an attempt to spark some life into the team, that hasn't worked. Now he has to hope whatever he's doing just magically works again between now and the end of the season. He looks totally out of ideas.
Theyd be mad to sack him, no chance he goes, hes the best manager the league has had since Fergie, what he did with Liverpool has been incredible but as with all things its impossible to sustain that level of competency within such a highly competitive environment and their cycle is over with that core group of players and team dynamic and unlike Fergie he hasnt been good at refreshing and rebuilding the squad with new players that match but also enhance their style of play.
I think hell walk perhaps at the end of the season or hell give himself one more, depending on the summer and what investment they get, hell have no shortage of suitors, I think he ultimately ends up at Bayern.
I think hell walk perhaps at the end of the season or hell give himself one more, depending on the summer and what investment they get, hell have no shortage of suitors, I think he ultimately ends up at Bayern.
I think Tuchels system could actually work with those fullbacks who'd rather attack than defend.
That’s a joke isn’t it? Gerrard ruined his chances at villa. Why on earth would they go for frank? Can’t see them getting pochettino either; think he’d jump at the chance but don’t think they’ll go for him. The best shout would be to pay compensation for a manager they want in Europe. Spalletti from Napoli would suit them.
Could do if they didn’t get so many injuries to their defenders. They’ll have to buy a couple more if they wanted to use a back 3.
Did he not use it at psg aswell? I get he’s flexible but a lot of manager stick to a certain system. It might be best fit for Liverpool who have attacking FB that can’t defend.
Because the board hire the next manager, that's why.
They have two options:
1. Go for tried and tested quality manager who will make demands, which will be incredibly expensive. Such as, new midfield, new CB, new forward once they realise Nunez isn't going to cut it. Then you've got the inevitable meltdown that will happen when the manager is told to work within his means and Chelsea/Arsenal/United all invest and improve.
2. Go for a promising or crowd pleasing "I'm just thankful for the opportunity" type manager. The least expensive option and a win win if the manager actually manages to get something out of the team and they make top 4, which is most likely the boards overall goal. This type will be happy to work with what they have because it's better than what they've had previously and they'll take all the flak off the board because they desperately want to keep their job.
It’s their 2nd horrendous season in 3! I know they had injuries to Gomez and VVD back then but that’s their fault when they went into the season with only 3 first choice CBs. Then he weakened the midfield by playing CM at CB that was called out by everybody for 4 months until they played Philips there and vastly improved overnight.
I’d argue out of there seasons it look like they’ve only been excellent in the second half of last season. It’s 1/6th of three league seasons now of pure shitness
Isn’t his first, they were poor the season after they won the league, too.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/spo...-history-in-pictures-1.1180217?outputType=amp
As long as they appoint someone clearly under qualified we're going to have a great time in the RAWK threadI would love to see the 1st and 3rd option
I think sacking him now would be the best thing for Liverpool but the worst thing for everyone else. The man is burnt out, devoid of ideas and for someone else to come in now and freshen it all up would be annoying.
Keep him til the summer and assess then.
Keep him til the summer and assess then.
Shame Ralphs not available to come in and give them a write up on what's wrong.
Its not though. They were terrible the season after they won the league. Injuries are a part of football and they couldnt simply cope (understandably) with the amount they had and if our game at Old Trafford hadnt been called off I fully believe we would have battered them and they wouldnt have had that late season charge to 3rd or 4th when everyone else was done for the season.
I dont think they will ever outright sack him, if he does go it will be by "mutual agreement" to save face for him and the club itself.
Sky Sports had an article the other day about the amount of people leaving behind the scenes, seems to be having quite the destabilising effect thankfully.
Well he probably hyper doses his players with caffine just as much. Though not many of the city players are 'asthmatic' are they?
Tuchel is one of the most pragmatic managers around (in the sense that he looks at what he has available and what the opposition will field). If he manages a squad that's a good fit for a back three he'll do it, but if a back four makes more sense for the squad he will use that as well. He never cared much about the formation, not in the way someone like Guardiola is married to the 433.