Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

amolbhatia50k said:
As we should with the apparently rubbish Rojo, Darmian and shorty Blind according to the caf.


I'm absolutely not. Just trying to balance out the over and underrating of the job he's done so far. I don't see how a United fan can be "delighted" with two cup final defeats but an 8th place finish.

Like I said earlier, it's not horrible or fantastic. It's more decent/average with promising signs.
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When you look at how close the league is (6 points from 8th to 4th) and the squad Liverpool have I think there's potential for you to be delighted with two finals

Sevilla have won it 3 times in a row so it's not like it's so bad that they got beat by them either
 
KM said:
Poeple are over and underrating Klopp's achievement. He has improved the team after Brendan has left, but I'm not sure if reaching the final of Europa Cup is that big an achievement considering the likes of Fulham and Boro have also reached before.

I'm delighted they have lost though, no Europe for them next season means that they might need to revisit their transfer targets for next season.

Also, not sure why United fans are being called Jealous in this thread? What exactly is there to get jealous about Liverpool this season? I guess you can never second guess the thinking of an idiot.
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Pretty fair assessment if I'm being honest. I'm not sure on the transfers. The club still seems confident of getting everyone we're after. We'll see how it works out come September.
 
Attila said:
When you look at how close the league is (6 points from 8th to 4th) and the squad Liverpool have I think there's potential for you to be delighted with two finals

Sevilla have won it 3 times in a row so it's not like it's so bad that they got beat by them either
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:lol: No there isn't?

Even the Liverpool fans here aren't exactly "delighted". Just about satisfied given the "signs" they've seen, sure. But you're bigging up this ordinary season a bit too much.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
If Liverpool making Europa cup final's is a "big achievement" then their standards must really be low.

Sure, they've done pretty well but it's hardly something to champion, is it?
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They got carried away simply because they beat us and Dortmund on the way to the final. It made them typically believe that they were destined to win the thing and everyone else was looking at them in crumbling fear. Thank God Sevilla beat the cnuts.
 
KM said:
We are rubbish mate. Dortmund was excellent and I'm not sure about Villarreal's quality. Fulham did beat Juventus in the semi finals I think.
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We are but our squad is probably better than Liverpools(imo). When the draw happened I was happy because I thought we would most likely beat them but Klopp pulled a lot more out of that squad compared to LVG and he deserves acclaim for that. We were a disgrace at anfield and they had more chances at old Trafford
 
Klopper76 said:
Pretty fair assessment if I'm being honest. I'm not sure on the transfers. The club still seems confident of getting everyone we're after. We'll see how it works out come September.
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Thanks mate. As I said earlier there's definitely signs of improvement especially in the likes of Lallana, Origi, Can and Lovren but your defensive organisation still looks bad. I'm not sure if that's the personnel or the system. Guess we'll see next season.
 
Attila said:
We are but our squad is probably better than Liverpools(imo). When the draw happened I was happy because I thought we would most likely beat them but Klopp pulled a lot more out of that squad compared to LVG and he deserves acclaim for that. We were a disgrace at anfield and they had more chances at old Trafford
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I can name ten managers in the league right now which pulled a lot more out of that squad as compared to LvG.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
If Liverpool making Europa cup final's is a "big achievement" then their standards must really be low.

Sure, they've done pretty well but it's hardly something to champion, is it?
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It is for that group of players. Some good young talents who Klopp can and will work with but a lot of dross coating the squad. As fans you can set a high standard but live in the reality. They've not been UCL regulars for years. Klopp was brought in to take them back to where they expect the club to be but his transformation if you will begins this summer when he'll shape the squad. These months were good for him to implement his ideas and see how the players respond and two cup finals is good signs.
 
RobinLFC said:
Yeah because league positions always tell the whole story and are the end all be all of the evaluation of football squads. Man, you're so clueless I'm done replying to you.


Of course not, you know from the beginning that people will question your methods if you eventually don't win the final, it's just a gamble he took and he lost. If we played the second half like the first half yesterday and won the game, he would've been a genius who managed his squad the right way during the season, kept his key players fresh, blablabla. Unfortunately we lost, and it's only normal people will question his approach now but he made the right choice imo - the route to the CL was a lot more realistic via the Europa League than getting top four in the league, I think.

He'll have no excuses next year if he should fail to get top four though, with no European football and a full preseason under his belt.
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Fair enough. Though I do think that he could have managed it in such a way where, you would have at least qualified for the Europa through the league, and then see where the final took you.

It seemed like he just chucked the league in a little - surely any Europe is better than none.
 
Had a look at the 10 league games Liverpool played following the second leg in the EL against United. What a load of bollocks this "he played the U21s in every game" is. The CL wasn't even gone mathematically, never mind the EL.

Liverpool were 7 points off 4th with a game in hand following the second leg vs United, and only 3 off 6th, also with a game in hand. They finished the last 10 with 4 wins, 4 draws and 2 losses, which was pretty much par for the course for the whole season. The only games that had clearly weakened teams were vs Bournemouth which they won, the 3-1 loss against Swansea and the final game vs West Brom where there was feck all to play for.

As far as this U21 notion goes, the only non-senior players to feature over that period were Kevin Stewart who started 6 of the 10, Ojo who started 5 with 12 minutes worth of sub appearances spread over 3 games, Ibe who started 4 with 10 minutes of sub appearances from 2 games, Brad Smith who started 3, and after that you're looking at Danny Ward starting 2, Randall starting 2 and making a 2 minute cameo, Chirivella starting 1, Brannagan starting 1 and making 22 minutes of sub appearances over 2 games, and Canos making a 9 minute cameo. That's just 9 players, half of which barely played in any football anyway.

Klopp just hasn't done well in the league and putting all his eggs in the EL basket was just monumentally stupid, if that's even what he did. The number of excuses made for the gurning wanker are staggering.
 
He's been a great success apart from the bit where he always bottles it when it matters most.

Two final defeats in as many months. That's gotta sting. :)
 
Attila said:
Come on there's more to look at than league positions and theirs a lot of context to look at in their appointments
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RobinLFC said:
Yeah because league positions always tell the whole story and are the end all be all of the evaluation of football squads. Man, you're so clueless I'm done replying to you.
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Yeah but when the alternative to league position is "but we beat Dortmund!!!!!" then it quite obviously does not cut it especially when it was a freak game. Lower finish than Brentan and further back from the Top 4 than Liverpool were Klopp took over. You can gloss over it however you want. There's been little to no improvement at all. Klopp has failed thus far. It's not that hard to grasp. You can continue with your petty insults while you bask in the glory of an 8th place finish with the messiah.

Boycott said:
If Mourinho took over at Christmas people would have given him the benefit of the doubt as it's not his players, it's a new club which he needs to settle into, he'd have taken over in a dire strait but fans trust him to shape things well with time. That's the same with Klopp. The fact he got them to two cup finals with some memorable results on the way bodes well.
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And no one's saying Klopp deserves to be sacked. Pointing out that it's been an extremely underwhelming first season (at best) seems to rub some Klopp fanboys the wrong way however. The cult following the man has is quite hilarious and very easily pissed off by the looks of things.
 
Their league finishes currently stand at: 7th, 6th, 8th, 7th, 2nd, 6th, 8th,
Other than the one aberration of a season with Suarez they're not title challengers, hardly even top 4 challengers. Closer to midtable finishes.
 
I'm not sure why Van Gaal is being brought into this. He's been a total failure at Utd and Klopp doing more in 7 months than Van Gaal in 2 years is probably true but it's not something to boast about. Van Gaal has been shit.

And if we'd sacked Van Gaal in October and finished the season 8th and lost two cup finals then no Utd fan would be delighted with that. No matter how good the football was occasionally, we'd be giving the new manager the benefit of the doubt but it'd be written off as a shit season.

It's fair enough for Liverpool to be optimistic for next season but last night was a huge blow to them and it makes this season a failure for them and for Klopp.
 
Attila said:
OK I guess delighted is a bit strong...but it is still a fantastic achievement for that squad

@Dumbstar @Bob Loblaw @Klopper76@B20 @Liver_bird
@RobinLFC
What do you guys think?
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Before last night I was feeling pretty upbeat about everything. Win or lose we'd improved in terms of performances, more so in the big games. Individually the likes of Lovren, Can, Firmino and others have improved and it all looked like we were going somewhere.

Then we lost and were left with a trophy less 8th placed finish and it's not really good enough. No one is going to remember that year Liverpool finished 8th and didn't win anything a few years from now. We can go on cup runs and unbeaten league runs all we want but it ultimately means nothing if we don't win anything.

I have faith that we can get somewhere decent under Klopp but this season has been another failure plain and simple.
 
Dumbstar said:
A bit disappointed with the cup final losses, but at least we got a chance to see two. Just like you will get one on Saturday.

However, we won big on the lottery this season, we won Klopp.
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Never say that again.
 
Dumbstar said:
A bit disappointed with the cup final losses, but at least we got a chance to see two. Just like you will get one on Saturday.

However, we won big on the lottery this season, we won Klopp.
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:lol: :lol:

This has to be a meme
 
Attila said:
OK I guess delighted is a bit strong...but it is still a fantastic achievement for that squad

@Dumbstar @Bob Loblaw @Klopper76@B20 @Liver_bird
@RobinLFC

What do you guys think?
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In the last 10 years we've finished runners up in the CL, EL, Fa Cup and League Cup, supplemented by two nearly title challenges.
This season in of itself cant be looked upon as anything other than a failure, 8th place and no trophies to show for it. Yes theres been a noticeable improvement in playing style, and at times we've shown resillience and blown teams away at others, but to often and not just in this campaign but in previous ones also, there's a mental fragility stemming from somewhere and I cant quite pinpoint or fathom it.

If i had to hazard a guess I'd say there's a clear lack of authority and leaders on the pitch, we have to many players who want to pass on the responsibility to others. Players like Lallana, Milner, Henderson these are the types of players you add to an already established winning squad, you put those in Rafas 08/09 side and they improve it and add something, but expect them to carry the baton and be the spine and fulcrum of the side and they are found wanting.

The only times we've looked good in the past few years is when we've played a high tempo all out pressing and attacking game, 13/14 being the epitome of that with the most chaotic player in the world. There needs to be some form of balance similar to what he achieved at Dortmund, most sides in world football have a balance, I think the Villareal 3-0 is what he wants here on a regular basis and the fact he saw us bottle his instructions in the final probably tells him all he needs to know about this squad. Theres a losers mentality in there and its in danger of becoming symptomatic, half of this squad needs shipping out theyre just to used to losing and that kind of mentality has been breeding throughout the club for the last decade.

I read earlier that our summer transfer targets havent changed regardless of European qualifacation, with Gotze still the No1 priority, gona be an almost impossible task obtaining him, can only hope that hes swayed by Klopp and regular football but I doubt that will be enough.

Summer looks decent enough on paper in terms of other transfers provided Ayre gets them over the line.

Matip
Grujic
Zielinski
Karius

Those appear to be the incoming transfers, GK is German and a starter in the Bundesliga therefore hes an upgrade on Mignolet. LB linked with Jonas Hector, he's also German so is also therefore an upgrade on Moreno.
Probably need another top quality CM and a quick winger, maybe a striker to someone.like Volland would be ideal.

Overall this season has been a failure, only solace is we have a World Class manager and I trust him to get it right, even if it is with signings from Red Star Belgrade and Empoli.
 
Most of the views from Liverpool posters in this thread on their own season have been been reasonable. Some are saying 8th place with no trophies is a failure while others are saying it's been alright season under Klopp (not miles off 4th) with definite direction and a feeling of hope that the future will bring good things. It's only United fans who seem to see what Klopp has done this season as some sort of achievement or bordering on brilliant.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Most of the views from Liverpool posters in this thread on their own season have been been reasonable. Some are saying 8th place with no trophies is a failure while others are saying it's been alright season under Klopp (not miles off 4th) with definite direction and a feeling of hope that the future will bring good things. It's only United fans who seem to see what Klopp has done this season as some sort of achievement or bordering on brilliant.
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I think what Klopp did last night was brilliant!
 
Does anyone else miss the days when you were allowed to slag off the scousers and their managers just because you fecking hate the cnuts?

When did it become a thing that mindless criticism of your rivals requires a letter from the queen giving permission?

It's football, not fecking mastermind.
 
Attila said:
OK I guess delighted is a bit strong...but it is still a fantastic achievement for that squad

@Dumbstar @Bob Loblaw @Klopper76@B20 @Liver_bird
@RobinLFC

What do you guys think?
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Not a fantastic achievement, nah. Think getting to the Europa League final was an overachievement but league campaign was a disappointing one.

Overall, pretty average but still a lot of promising signs to take into next season. I'm a lot more confident in our future prospects with Klopp in charge than Rodgers. We need a big summer but I think we'll do well next year.
 
No European football (EL, that is) is a blessing for Liverpool. They'll have a week rest and preparation every week.
 
VorZakone said:
No European football (EL, that is) is a blessing for Liverpool. They'll have a week rest and preparation every week.
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I've enjoyed being in the Europa, great fun. I'd rather have that than no European football and more rest. The squad needs to get used to playing a lot of games or they'll never be prepared when/if Champions League qualification comes.
 
GaryLifo said:
Does anyone else miss the days when you were allowed to slag off the scousers and their managers just because you fecking hate the cnuts?

When did it become a thing that mindless criticism of your rivals requires a letter from the queen giving permission?

It's football, not fecking mastermind.
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Love it, feck them!
 
Imo, even well before Liverpool, this is an example of someone I wouldn't like as United manager.

LvG is an egotistical man but, he doesn't piss me off to the extent Klopp does.

Klopp, he seems to the spokesperson for the, "you can try be cool if you.wear glasses" campaign. I also don't like his constant grinning and smirking at the opposition bench when he's winning. That's not on. Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho etc have never done that

Plus, he's a tit
 
.Rossi said:
Imo, even well before Liverpool, this is an example of someone I wouldn't like as United manager.

LvG is an egotistical man but, he doesn't piss me off to the extent Klopp does.

Klopp, he seems to the spokesperson for the, "you can try be cool if you.wear glasses" campaign. I also don't like his constant grinning and smirking at the opposition bench when he's winning. That's not on. Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho etc have never done that

Plus, he's a tit
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He is a hipster god, that enough should piss any sane man off.
 
What has to be the most disappointing thing is that, one week they look so full of energy, playing out of this world. Then barely a week later, they look so lethargic and play at an even slower pace than we do.
 
KM said:
I can name ten managers in the league right now which pulled a lot more out of that squad as compared to LvG.
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You know that the situation is grim for the Klopp fanboys when they have to try and compare him favorably to the woeful LvG! :lol:
 
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