Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Eboue said:
Christ, I really shouldn't have to spell this out.

Moonred, I said it was odd for Man Utd fans to be so invested with downplaying Spurs achievements, as they are not traditional rivals.
Amar and Amolbhatia, I'm not commenting on people laughing at Liverpool. I'm commenting on people going to such lengths to discredit Klopp and what he's accomplished this season.
Kraftwerker, you are a weird and obsessed poster but sometimes you are funny.

Ok then, good talk guys.
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Guys, it worked, we fended off party-pooper Ebooby!

Just kidding.

I don't think there's much out of the ordinary here, for what it's worth. Liverpool could have achieved their season's objective last night, and posters here are enjoying the fact that they failed.

At the end of the day, Klopp is a Liverpool manager. He is going to get mocked and discredited. It goes with the territory.
 
Insanity said:
Check out some of the line-ups he put out against those teams to keep his players fresh for Europa, and it'll tell you if some of it was by design or was out of necessity.

I do not want to sit here and defend Klopp. Though, I do believe that getting that defense and midfield playing good football shows that he should do well for them. Whether it happens or not: the next 6 months will tell.
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Ay, but he only started playing those teams when fourth looked more or less gone. Any manager (other than Van Gaal) would probably have done the same.

You're right in saying that the midfield and defence needs a lot of work. Time will tell whether he gets it right, though. They haven't bought a top defender in years.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Hopeful, yes. But mixed with disappointment I'm sure. Rodgers would have finished 8th and they'd have berated him. They seized the opportunity to get Klopp with the aim at a 4th place finish which he failed at. But of course, there are promising signs that his coaching is showing.
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Why am I here defending Liverpool. Where are the Liverpool fans?

They seized the opportunity by getting an excellent manager for the future, who was available at the time. They could have struck with Rodgers and risked losing Klopp to someone else (I wish they did). Did they mention they fired Rodgers and got him to get top 4 this season?

Moyes could have got us top 4 with the amount spent last season, but we appointment VG in the hope that he'd build for the future. VG finished 5th with us this season, may be he'll spend another 200m and have has challenging, but do we want to take that risk? It's too simple a way to look at things by saying Rodgers would have got them 8th too.

Why, exactly? Their defence concedes 3 or more in the final, semi final, against Southampon and against Norwich (:lol:), and that is "getting a lot out of them"?

He's got them looking impressive on the ball/in attack for sure, but that has almost nothing to do with the back 4. In fact, if anything, Moreno and Clyne have the pace to support attacks. Their actual attack is very good on paper - Sturridge, Coutinho, Firmino and Origi.
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Origi? The laughing stock of this forum?

My comment wasn't based on a single game but the how he has turned them into a unit. The outcome last night wouldn't have changed my views on that. I think I can find comments from you on how he has turned them into a cohesive unit.

Well, you sound like a slapped bum needing to big him up for no apparent reason. Just fess up, Klopp isn't "brilliant" for what you called him brilliant for.
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I don't follow scripts, like others. Klopp Liverpool manager bad.

He is a brilliant manager. And he has done exceedingly well to get that unit playing like that, IMO.,

Just as Jose is a brilliant manager, in spite of him leaving Chelsea in 16th position this season.
 
Insanity said:
Why am I here defending Liverpool. Where are the Liverpool fans?

They seized the opportunity by getting an excellent manager for the future, who was available at the time. They could have struck with Rodgers and risked losing Klopp to someone else (I wish they did). Did they mention they fired Rodgers and got him to get top 4 this season?

Moyes could have got us top 4 with the amount spent last season, but we appointment VG in the hope that he'd build for the future. VG finished 5th with us this season, may be he'll spend another 200m and have has challenging, but do we want to take that risk? It's too simple a way to look at things by saying Rodgers would have got them 8th too.
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No idea why you're defending them. They seem to be disappointed. You seem to think he's been "brilliant". Weird.

It's obvious to anyone and everyone that they expected CL football. Fair enough if you've been impressed. I have, at times, as well. But let's not deny the obvious. He wasn't brought it to achieve 6th-8th place. That wasn't the expectations, clearly.

I didn't say they should have kept Rodgers. You're getting unnecessarily defensive (of Liverpool). I would have made the switch to Klopp as well. But that doesn't mean they should be happy with 8th place. His first season there has been promising (2 cup final and some very cohesive performances) but also a disappointment in terms of the league finish (not top 4 but 8th).

Insanity said:
Origi? The laughing stock of this forum?

My comment wasn't based on a single game but the how he has turned them into a unit. The outcome last night wouldn't have changed my views on that. I think I can find comments from you on how he has turned them into a cohesive unit.
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Laughing stock. Check out his threads of late. He was very impressive pre-injury. You ignored 3 quality attackers as well.

I don't disagree that he's made them cohesive. I keep repeating that his tactics and their cohesion is impressive. But in defence they can be abysmal. And results wise 8th place is rubbish.

Either way, it's not a season that shows his "brilliance" as you put it.

Insanity said:
I don't follow scripts, like others. Klopp Liverpool manager bad.

He is a brilliant manager. And he has done exceedingly well to get that unit playing like that, IMO.,

Just as Jose is a brilliant manager, in spite of him leaving Chelsea in 16th position this season.
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Oh yeah. You're a real strong personality. Well done, you.

He did great at Dortmund, which is why I wanted him here.

But he's not achieved greatness at Liverpool which was what your entire flawed post was about. Playing cohesive, incisive football without the end result to back it up, and being ropey in defence is not the sign of "brilliance". If he can make them play the same way but be tight at the back, AND fulfill objectives - THAT would be brilliant.
 
They really should have put the game to bed in the first half but they didn't and they paid the price for that. Their defence is absolutely abysmal and it needs serious upgrading over the summer. The one credit I will give to Klopp is that in an attacking sense, they look a good unit. He has also seriously improved Origi and I think even Lallana has improved under him.

But that's all well and good if you have a solid defence and midfield too, but they clearly don't. I'm not so sure his high intensity game will be sustainable in the PL. I mean, some matches they look a very good side while in others, they look pathetic. I don't think Klopp has done a good job so far - on a whole - he has made some minor improvements but holistically, are they that much different that they were under Rodgers? I personally don't think so; not yet anyway. I honestly don't think they'll get top four next season but obviously their transfer business during the summer will be a major part of that.

People can keep referring back to his Dortmund days but that's in the past and he is going to now be judged on the here and now, in which he has underachieved, or at best, done an ok-ish job. When Klopp arrived, there was talk (bizarrely) on here that they could mount a title challenge this season. Not just did that never materialise, they didn't even make a decent push for top four. His apologists will say he had one eye on the EL, but that's just rubbish. It seems Liverpool fans are backtracking and saying they didn't expect a push for top four, but they did and the board clearly had that in mind when sacking Rodgers so early on in the season.

It's great that they lost last night for United fans but I feel the overall implications for them will be huge. Klopp clearly thrives in cup competitions and I feel his style of play would have given Liverpool a good chance to make their mark in Europe next season, instead they have no European football whatsoever.
 
Robbie Boy said:
They really should have put the game to bed in the first half but they didn't and they paid the price for that. Their defence is absolutely abysmal and it needs serious upgrading over the summer. The one credit I will give to Klopp is that in an attacking sense, they look a good unit. He has also seriously improved Origi and I think even Lallana has improved under him.

But that's all well and good if you have a solid defence and midfield too, but they clearly don't. I'm not so sure his high intensity game will be sustainable in the PL. I mean, some matches they look a very good side while in others, they look pathetic. I don't think Klopp has done a good job so far - on a whole - he has made some minor improvements but holistically, are they that much different that they were under Rodgers? I personally don't think so; not yet anyway. I honestly don't think they'll get top four next season but obviously their transfer business during the summer will be a major part of that.

People can keep referring back to his Dortmund days but that's in the past and he is going to now be judged on the here and now, in which he has underachieved, or at best, done an ok-ish job. When Klopp arrived, there was talk (bizarrely) on here that they could mount a title challenge this season. Not just did that never materialise, they didn't even make a decent push for top four. His apologists will say he had one eye on the EL, but that's just rubbish. It seems Liverpool fans are backtracking and saying they didn't expect a push for top four, but they did and the board clearly had that in mind when sacking Rodgers so early on in the season.

It's great that they lost last night for United fans but I feel the overall implications for them will be huge. Klopp clearly thrives in cup competitions and I feel his style of play would have given Liverpool a good chance to make their mark in Europe next season, instead they have no European football whatsoever.
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Spot on.

I don't see what's wrong with acknowledging all sides of the story:

A) that Liverpool have looked super-impressive in their good performances/moments, in terms of of incisive, cohesive attacking as well as pressing.

B) that some of Liverpool's players seem to be much improved under him, and they seem to have shown signs of great mentality (Norwich and Dortmund comebacks)

C) that in a season where the PL has been crap, 8th place is a rubbish league season.

D) that as impressive as they sometimes look on the ball, they look equally rubbish in defense organisation.

And all that put together, is rather than being "amazing", is "average with some definitely promising signs".
 
Robbie Boy said:
They really should have put the game to bed in the first half but they didn't and they paid the price for that. Their defence is absolutely abysmal and it needs serious upgrading over the summer. The one credit I will give to Klopp is that in an attacking sense, they look a good unit. He has also seriously improved Origi and I think even Lallana has improved under him.

But that's all well and good if you have a solid defence and midfield too, but they clearly don't. I'm not so sure his high intensity game will be sustainable in the PL. I mean, some matches they look a very good side while in others, they look pathetic. I don't think Klopp has done a good job so far - on a whole - he has made some minor improvements but holistically, are they that much different that they were under Rodgers? I personally don't think so; not yet anyway. I honestly don't think they'll get top four next season but obviously their transfer business during the summer will be a major part of that.

People can keep referring back to his Dortmund days but that's in the past and he is going to now be judged on the here and now, in which he has underachieved, or at best, done an ok-ish job. When Klopp arrived, there was talk (bizarrely) on here that they could mount a title challenge this season. Not just did that never materialise, they didn't even make a decent push for top four. His apologists will say he had one eye on the EL, but that's just rubbish. It seems Liverpool fans are backtracking and saying they didn't expect a push for top four, but they did and the board clearly had that in mind when sacking Rodgers so early on in the season.

It's great that they lost last night for United fans but I feel the overall implications for them will be huge. Klopp clearly thrives in cup competitions and I feel his style of play would have given Liverpool a good chance to make their mark in Europe next season, instead they have no European football whatsoever.
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In his defence, I would suggest they got sidetracked by the Europa isn't it? Trophy & CL qualification in 1, great nights vs us & Dortmund creates that momentum as an inevitable thing.

Team still has its structural faults but should be easy to improve. And he's formed a great bond with the support.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
No idea why you're defending them. They seem to be disappointed. You seem to think he's been "brilliant". Weird.

It's obvious to anyone and everyone that they expected CL football. Fair enough if you've been impressed. I have, at times, as well. But let's not deny the obvious. He wasn't brought it to achieve 6th-8th place. That wasn't the expectations, clearly.

I didn't say they should have kept Rodgers. You're getting unnecessarily defensive (of Liverpool). I would have made the switch to Klopp as well. But that doesn't mean they should be happy with 8th place. His first season there has been promising (2 cup final and some very cohesive performances) but also a disappointment in terms of the league finish (not top 4 but 8th).
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I don't think you read my post properly. This is what I said:

Mignolet
Clyne Lovern Toure Moreno
Can Millner
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Any manager who can make a team play decent football with a base of those 7 is brilliant.
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I never talked about results or their position in the league or whatever. I made an innocuous comment about him getting an ordinary bunch pull much above their weight in terms of football they have played at times.

You are making up things that I never said and are then commenting on them.

amolbhatia50k said:
I don't disagree that he's made them cohesive. I keep repeating that his tactics and their cohesion is impressive. But in defence they can be abysmal. And results wise 8th place is rubbish.

Either way, it's not a season that shows his "brilliance" as you put it.
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Cool. We agree that his tactics and their cohesion is impressive. I just used a different word.

amolbhatia50k said:
Oh yeah. You're a real strong personality. Well done, you.

He did great at Dortmund, which is why I wanted him here.

But he's not achieved greatness at Liverpool which was what your entire flawed post was about. Playing cohesive, incisive football without the end result to back it up, and being ropey in defence is not the sign of "brilliance". If he can make them play the same way but be tight at the back, AND fulfill objectives - THAT would be brilliant.
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:lol: Well done to me, indeed.

Yeah, that's what I said, "he has achieved greatness with Liverpool".
 
Insanity said:
I don't think you read my post properly. This is what I said:

I never talked about results or their position in the league or whatever. I made an innocuous comment about him getting an ordinary bunch pull much above their weight in terms of football they have played at times.

You are making up things that I never said and are then commenting on them.
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You sure said exactly what I interpreted.

To put a back 7 down and ignore the attack when praising a team's attacking/on the ball cohesion is a bit weird, don't you think?

It's like me saying, THIS team won the treble in 13-14, through some ridiculously amazing football:

Bravo
Alves Pique Mascherano Alba
Busquets Rakitic

The correlation is completely flawed.

Insanity said:
:lol: Well done to me, indeed.

Yeah, that's what I said, "he has achieved greatness with Liverpool".
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You said it was the "sign of brilliance" from Klopp.

It's not. Roberto Martinez got Everton playing cracking football in 13/14. It's brilliance when the defence also looks as impressive, when the league results aren't wank and when they achieve consistency.
 
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I wonder if Klopp still thinks he can win the league "within 3 years, for sure".

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@Eboue Klopp's done this season exactly what Rodgers did last season. How is that in any way a fantastic achievement?
 
Robbie Boy said:
He's already lost 12 games since coming in including two cup finals, but yeah he's been superb.
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Liverpool (and Klopp I suppose) fans would argue though it's not his squad. He's got a full summer now to recruit and I'd guess there's a few players who will want to play in the premier league with the money there and also for Klopp.

His record in finals isn't great but then you could argue out of the 5 he lost he was only really favourite for one of them. He played the best Bayern team ever twice, Sevilla who look like never losing a Europa League game, City who were in decent form at the time and then the one he should of won was Wolfsburg.

I'd reserve judgement on him til next season really. If there's no signs of improvement then people will be right to judge. I think it's a bit harsh to slag him off on the basis he lost 2 cup finals in his first season though. I'm not surprised Liverpool and other fans like him as well as he does seem like he cares about the club which will always help.

I'd of taken him at United myself and I'd imagine if he was here then a lot of the comments here wouldn't be thinking his personality etc make him a dick.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Lost more points from a winning position than any other team this year.

What happened in the final was not a coincidence. Whatever klopp is trying to do, he can't get them playing for 90 minutes, which is probably where he should start.
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That's quite interesting. I don't think they've cracked the 'resting off of the full press' thing quite yet.
 
They sacked Rodgers mid season because they thought he was underachieving with this squad. Yet Klopp has remained more or less the same. That is a failure. At the end of the day, good football is only useful if you achieve results.
 
Oggmonster said:
Liverpool (and Klopp I suppose) fans would argue though it's not his squad. He's got a full summer now to recruit and I'd guess there's a few players who will want to play in the premier league with the money there and also for Klopp.

His record in finals isn't great but then you could argue out of the 5 he lost he was only really favourite for one of them. He played the best Bayern team ever twice, Sevilla who look like never losing a Europa League game, City who were in decent form at the time and then the one he should of won was Wolfsburg.

I'd reserve judgement on him til next season really. If there's no signs of improvement then people will be right to judge. I think it's a bit harsh to slag him off on the basis he lost 2 cup finals in his first season though. I'm not surprised Liverpool and other fans like him as well as he does seem like he cares about the club which will always help.

I'd of taken him at United myself and I'd imagine if he was here then a lot of the comments here wouldn't be thinking his personality etc make him a dick.
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I addressed a lot of this in a later post:

They really should have put the game to bed in the first half but they didn't and they paid the price for that. Their defence is absolutely abysmal and it needs serious upgrading over the summer. The one credit I will give to Klopp is that in an attacking sense, they look a good unit. He has also seriously improved Origi and I think even Lallana has improved under him.

But that's all well and good if you have a solid defence and midfield too, but they clearly don't. I'm not so sure his high intensity game will be sustainable in the PL. I mean, some matches they look a very good side while in others, they look pathetic. I don't think Klopp has done a good job so far - on a whole - he has made some minor improvements but holistically, are they that much different that they were under Rodgers? I personally don't think so; not yet anyway. I honestly don't think they'll get top four next season but obviously their transfer business during the summer will be a major part of that.

People can keep referring back to his Dortmund days but that's in the past and he is going to now be judged on the here and now, in which he has underachieved, or at best, done an ok-ish job. When Klopp arrived, there was talk (bizarrely) on here that they could mount a title challenge this season. Not just did that never materialise, they didn't even make a decent push for top four. His apologists will say he had one eye on the EL, but that's just rubbish. It seems Liverpool fans are backtracking and saying they didn't expect a push for top four, but they did and the board clearly had that in mind when sacking Rodgers so early on in the season.

It's great that they lost last night for United fans but I feel the overall implications for them will be huge. Klopp clearly thrives in cup competitions and I feel his style of play would have given Liverpool a good chance to make their mark in Europe next season, instead they have no European football whatsoever.
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As of right now, there is absolutely no way that anyone can argue Klopp has done better than LVG in his stint in English football so far.
 
Big game last night, though innit.

Because they lost, they aren't actually any better off than they would have been keeping Brendan. 8th IS pretty dismal & there'll be no European footy at all next season.

(More statements of the bleedin' obvious as we get them)
 
Robbie Boy said:
I addressed a lot of this in a later post:
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Fair enough, apologises I missed the post.

Personally re the top 4 thing I guess only time will tell. I think it depends who spends what in the summer and who's in charge at each team. One thing Liverpool has going for them is they are in no European competition. Leicester will have at least 6 more games this season for example and will probably be expected to do better in the cup competitions. Liverpool played a stupid amount more games than a lot of teams and it would have an effect with such a small squad.

I take your points re the job. I don't think he's done fantastically well and I think next season is a huge test for him. His personality definitely helps him as does the constant media bias towards Liverpool with or without Klopp but he might as well use it to his advantage.
 
What exactly has Klopp accomplished this season that's praiseworthy?

He was brought in do a better job and get more out of the players than Brentant. What he's done instead is lead them to their worst finish in over 20 years. Ok, he reached 2 cup finals but so did that twat Dalgliesh. He actually won one final.
 
Oggmonster said:
Fair enough, apologises I missed the post.

Personally re the top 4 thing I guess only time will tell. I think it depends who spends what in the summer and who's in charge at each team. One thing Liverpool has going for them is they are in no European competition. Leicester will have at least 6 more games this season for example and will probably be expected to do better in the cup competitions. Liverpool played a stupid amount more games than a lot of teams and it would have an effect with such a small squad.

I take your points re the job. I don't think he's done fantastically well and I think next season is a huge test for him. His personality definitely helps him as does the constant media bias towards Liverpool with or without Klopp but he might as well use it to his advantage.
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Aye, the summer will be pretty important for them as they badly need defenders and probably a midfielder too. Their attack is looking pretty promising and they still have Ings to come back; he isn't a world beater but I feel he could be the kind of player that Klopp could inject some confidence into and get him playing a good level. I have no idea what they will do with Sturridge; on his day he's a good forward but he can also be extremely lazy / temperamental and his obvious injury problems make him wholly unreliable.

I just feel Klopp has a certain hard-core fan base who will overlook everything and still claim that he has done some kind of fantastic job at Liverpool, when that couldn't be further from the truth. As I said, at best you would say he has done an ok-ish job and at worst, you could stake a claim for him underachieving. I would imagine the board had bigger ambitions in mind than 8th place when they appointed Klopp. Had they won last night, it would be a completely different scenario as their league position would have been insignificant given they would have CL football - but they lost, and now things don't look so rosy. CL football could have attracted a higher calibre of player and I feel they actually would have done well enough in the competition.

Obviously Klopp could go on to achieve great things at Liverpool but as-of-now, I feel he has underwhelmed, given the media hype and fanfare that he arrived to. I don't think he has shown thus far that he is a massive upgrade on Rodgers who I feel would have had a similar season (league wise) had he of stayed on; he probably wouldn't have made two finals, but who knows. For all the positive changes that he has made, there have been just as many negatives.
 
Akash said:
What exactly has Klopp accomplished this season that's praiseworthy?

He was brought in do a better job and get more out of the players than Brentant. What he's done instead is lead them to their worst finish in over 20 years. Ok, he reached 2 cup finals but so did that twat Dalgliesh. He actually won one final.
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But, but, but Klopp's the best and Dortmund and the summer?
 
Think I will settle on moderately better than OK, and showing potential - because some of the problems should be an easy fix, upgrade of LB for example. And the GK too, for me. Benefit of the doubt that League form was affected by the Cup exploits - he did field weakened teams on 2-3 occasions.

Having said that, up until last night they had had a few breaks go their way too.

Probably has a few people to try & move on (Balotelli) though, the MF will look thin creatively if clubs are wanting to take Coutinho away.

Sturridge is a strange one too, might hardly play, might score 30 goals, who knows.
 
Klopp has a certain way he wants his team to play. This involves a certain type of player in each position, players which he hasn't currently got at Liverpool.

Instead of understanding this and adapting to the squad he has inherited, and maybe play a different, but more effective style; he has just continued 'his style' and it has clearly not worked when it mattered.

A great manager would have understood the squad couldn't play the way he wanted yet, and adapt. Not just do it anyway and fail.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Spot on.

I don't see what's wrong with acknowledging all sides of the story:

A) that Liverpool have looked super-impressive in their good performances/moments, in terms of of incisive, cohesive attacking as well as pressing.

B) that some of Liverpool's players seem to be much improved under him, and they seem to have shown signs of great mentality (Norwich and Dortmund comebacks)

C) that in a season where the PL has been crap, 8th place is a rubbish league season.

D) that as impressive as they sometimes look on the ball, they look equally rubbish in defense organisation.

And all that put together, is rather than being "amazing", is "average with some definitely promising signs".
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Good post, can't disagree with any of that. Although as a counter-argument for your third point, we did start to prioritze the EL after we knocked United out, basically fielded our U21s for 75% of the time after that. However, we were already half out of the top four race so no arguments there, 8th is not good enough. It's only six points behind top 4 though which isn't much by all means.

As for your conclusion: I don't think the regular Liverpool fans on here like Klopper of Bob have said otherwise since he joined us. I certainly think it's a fair statement, yes. But you can't fault us for being optimistic about the future, some still call it blind faith but when your manager has the track record to back it up, I'm willing to give him a lot of time and the benefit of the doubt for now. Many of you were ecstatic when LvG signed just because of his history as well.

GE said:
I wonder if Klopp still thinks he can win the league "within 3 years, for sure".

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He meant trophies in general, not winning the league. And I think he said four years as well, not three.

Akash said:
What exactly has Klopp accomplished this season that's praiseworthy?

He was brought in do a better job and get more out of the players than Brentant. What he's done instead is lead them to their worst finish in over 20 years. Ok, he reached 2 cup finals but so did that twat Dalgliesh. He actually won one final.
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Why do you even bother to venture in threads like this? Your posts literally don't have any more content than he's a fraud, blablabla. You seem obsessed with a guy you hate, which is quite funny to be fair. Please keep posting although I could probably already know for 90% what you're going to say about him.
 
Twigginater said:
As of right now, there is absolutely no way that anyone can argue Klopp has done better than LVG in his stint in English football so far.
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what you mean apart from play some great football (at times) and do well considering he hasn't had the luxury of spending £200 million AND inheriting a better squad??
 
Twigginater said:
As of right now, there is absolutely no way that anyone can argue Klopp has done better than LVG in his stint in English football so far.
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You're so strange. You can't even feasibly compare the two. One has had 2 years and 200m. The other came in a third into the season. It's just another in a long line of ridiculous nonsensical statements from you.
 
RobinLFC said:
Why do you even bother to venture in threads like this? Your posts literally don't have any more content than he's a fraud, blablabla. You seem obsessed with a guy you hate, which is quite funny to be fair. Please keep posting although I could probably already know for 90% what you're going to say about him.
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What's quite funny is the post you quoted had plenty of content which you predictably ignored. Klopp's season highlights include but are not limited to:
  • Guiding Liverpool to their worst League finish in over 20 years.
  • Getting smashed by City in normal time of the Cup final but doing just about enough to lose it on penalties instead.
  • Getting outplayed by Sevilla in the Final of the Europa League and then moaning about the referee (Not predictable at all!).
  • Getting Simon Mignolet to agree to a new 5 year contract. This just reinforces what a massive draw Klopp is to players when you convince a player as renowned and in demand as the Minge.
  • Celebrating a last minute deflected equalizer against West Brom at home like they had just won the world cup and champions league on the same day.
  • Generally coming across as a complete bellend while playing up to the cameras and the crazy scousers.
And of course who knows how much he really knew about Sakho doing drugs. In fair world, you wouldn't even be in the Europa final.

It's been a shocking season for Klopp even discounting for the fact he was supposed to be the messiah and bestest manager in the world when he signed.
 
Is it just results that players want from their team? When I look at the Manchester United part of this forum it does not seem to be like this.

People want to be entertained - to be emotionally attached by their team. Maybe the results do not really speak for Liverpool - but I guess the fans had their fun...
 
Akash said:
What's quite funny is the post you quoted had plenty of content which you predictably ignored. Klopp's season highlights include but are not limited to:
  • Guiding Liverpool to their worst League finish in over 20 years. Context, please. We played our U21s in the league after we knocked you out of the EL.
  • Getting smashed by City in normal time of the Cup final but doing just about enough to lose it on penalties instead. 1-1 in regulation isn't getting smashed ffs :lol:
  • Getting outplayed by Sevilla in the Final of the Europa League and then moaning about the referee (Not predictable at all!). Did you even watch the game? We outplayed them in the first half bar the first ten minutes and should've been up 2-0 or 3-0 at HT. I've not once complained about the referee, I actually said after the game that stuff like that happens in football but now that you bring it up yourself, yes we should've had one stonewall penalty and probably even two penalties.
  • Getting Simon Mignolet to agree to a new 5 year contract. This just reinforces what a massive draw Klopp is to players when you convince a player as renowned and in demand as the Minge. We'll 100% bring in a new keeper this summer.
  • Celebrating a last minute deflected equalizer against West Brom at home like they had just won the world cup and champions league on the same day. That was weird, yes. Probably trying to forge some bond with the fans who were brilliant in the latter stages of the season.
  • Generally coming across as a complete bellend while playing up to the cameras and the crazy scousers. That's your opinion though. Even quite a lot United fans still think he comes across as likeable, so I don't have to explain how most Liverpool fans feel about him, do I?
And of course who knows how much he really knew about Sakho doing drugs. In fair world, you wouldn't even be in the Europa final. In a fair world, there would be no poverty. The rules were followed, we can't help it if they're stupid rules. You'd punish a whole team for one individual case? That never happens in any sport.

It's been a shocking season for Klopp even discounting for the fact he was supposed to be the messiah and bestest manager in the world when he signed. Except that he wasn't. All Liverpool fans were excited but cautiously optimistic on here. It's a long term process. I don't think I have to remind you how this place went mad with excitement when the messiah LvG signed with United. Fans get excited, get over it. If you think we had a shocking season, by all means continue to do so, but it's plain wrong in my opinion.
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theyneverlearn said:
Klopp has a certain way he wants his team to play. This involves a certain type of player in each position, players which he hasn't currently got at Liverpool.

Instead of understanding this and adapting to the squad he has inherited, and maybe play a different, but more effective style; he has just continued 'his style' and it has clearly not worked when it mattered.

A great manager would have understood the squad couldn't play the way he wanted yet, and adapt. Not just do it anyway and fail.
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Tbf, he also needs to analyse who actually can adapt to the way he wants his team to play and who can't. What would he learn from them by adapting a different style?
 
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1. What context? No one forced to Klopp to play the kids. He's not the first manager to play in two competitions at the same time you know? All the context you need is that he's done worse than Rodgers or any manager in the last 20 years.

2. Obviously. But you utterly outplayed in the game.

3. Sevilla were easily the better team. Who talking about? Klopp has moaning about the refs which is standard fare for him.

4. So? Not even Brentan was deluded enough to offer Minge a 5 year contract.

5. Unfortunately true. There does seem to be unusually high number of people who have had Klopp's cock down up their arse.

No United fan would have been satisfied let alone excited with the season Klopp has just had ffs. Most were getting tired of him after a dreary first season. I admire the enthusiasm to put a positive spin on things Liverpool fans expected much better when Klopp was announced as manager. But whatever makes you sleep better I guess...
 
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