Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Alex99 said:
@RobinLFC you had a shocking season. Come to terms with it
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They didn't have a shocking season. I would be encouraged by it if I was a pool fan. Fantastic cohesive attacking football at times let down by shit defending.

Klopp has done well to beat the likes of us, Dortmund and Villareal on his way to the final. He's building something and it's clear to see.

In 7 months he's done more than LVG in 2 years in terms of team building
 
Klopp took a gamble on the EL and made it to the final, I wouldn't call the season disastrous just because he lost it. I think it makes much more sense to ask questions about Klopp's ressource management (if you're so determined to find negative things), when he apparently has to weaken his team to this extend in one competition in order to be competitive in the other and I think that would be a very good question, because things also pointed in this direction when he was still coaching Dortmund and had a less congested calendar with a winter break.
It'll be very interesting to see how he deals with it when they qualify for EL/CL again.
 
Akash said:
1. What context? No one forced to Klopp to play the kids. He's not the first manager to play in two competitions at the same time you know? All the context you need is that he's done worse than Rodgers or any manager in the last 20 years.

2. Obviously. But you utterly outplayed in the game.

3. Sevilla were easily the better team. Who talking about? Klopp has moaning about the refs which is standard fare for him.

4. So? Not even Brentan was deluded enough to offer Minge a 5 year contract.

5. Unfortunately true. There does seem to be unusually high number of people who have had Klopp's cock down up their arse.

No United fan would have been satisfied let alone excited with the season Klopp has just had ffs. Most were getting tired of him after a dreary first season. I admire the enthusiasm to put a positive spin on things Liverpool fans expected much better when Klopp was announced as manager. But whatever makes you sleep better I guess...
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When you consider their past seasons and how they beat the likes of Dortmund I think a lot of United fans would be satisfied. We haven't seen that kind of football in 3 years

The final Klopp messed up but he did a fantastic job in reaching it, can't call it a disappointment overall
 
Shark said:
Tbf, he also needs to analyse who actually can adapt to the way he wants his team to play and who can't. What would he learn from them by adapting a different style?
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If he had done his research he would already know what most of the players are capable of, they've been around a few years at different clubs with different styles.

I suppose he shouldn't have gone full klopp style and maybe eased the team into it. He should of adjusted his approach to games based on the players at his disposal.
 
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Blackwidow said:
Is it just results that players want from their team? When I look at the Manchester United part of this forum it does not seem to be like this.

People want to be entertained - to be emotionally attached by their team. Maybe the results do not really speak for Liverpool - but I guess the fans had their fun...
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It has to be a balance of both, surely. Is it just gung-ho stuff the fans want? While conceding 3 consistently, finishing trophyless and not even getting into Europe by virtue of the low league finish?

The answer to their season is somewhere between,

Alex99 said:
@RobinLFC you had a shocking season.
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(over the top criticism)

and

Attila said:
In 7 months he's done more than LVG in 2 years in terms of team building
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(over the top praise)
 
Attila said:
When you consider their past seasons and how they beat the likes of Dortmund I think a lot of United fans would be satisfied. We haven't seen that kind of football in 3 years

The final Klopp messed up but he did a fantastic job in reaching it, can't call it a disappointment overall
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Nonsense.

Any United fan that says he'd be satisfied with an 8th place finish and getting easily beat by the 8th place team in Spain is either lying or needs his head getting tested. LVg got plenty of stick despite finishing 4th last season and like Klopp he also had a mini spell where he did well.

Klopp has taken them from 7th to 8th and things are encouraging because he beat Dortmund? Not having that.
 
To be fair there have been glimpses of good football and quality management but only glimpses, they've not progressed in the league under Klopp and have had their share of silly results where they dropped points from winning position numerous times. Going 2-0 up at Southampton playing great football is fine unless you end up losing 3-2 which is exactly the sort of thing they've done numerous times. Klopp is a learner though, you could see that in his first CL campaign at Dortmund where they finished bottom of their group only to find themselves in the final next year, so it's way too early to give any negative judgement. He's got some job ahead of him and it won't be easy but I think he will have Liverpool competitive within 2-3 years. Team spirit he creates is second to none.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It has to be a balance of both, surely. Is it just gung-ho stuff the fans want? While conceding 3 consistently, finishing trophyless and not even getting into Europe by virtue of the low league finish?

The answer to their season is somewhere between,


(over the top criticism)

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(over the top praise)
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How is it over the top? Liverpool are able to hammer teams under Klopp and score loads of goals. The defence is still shit which can ruin a lot of results but they have made a lot of progress under Klopp I think. LVG still has a incohesive side which he has spent over a hundred million to assemble and two years

No two year transition for klopp
 
Blackwidow said:
Is it just results that players want from their team? When I look at the Manchester United part of this forum it does not seem to be like this.

People want to be entertained - to be emotionally attached by their team. Maybe the results do not really speak for Liverpool - but I guess the fans had their fun...
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Entertainment is first results and then good football. Last year mourinho won lots of games by 1 goal margins in usual mourinho style. But because they won the league, it was called clinical performance. Leicester has been playing almost the same way since last season but no one called them entertaining last season.

Everton this season had some amazing games but fans aren't happy because they ended up 11th.
 
Akash said:
Nonsense.

Any United fan that says he'd be satisfied with an 8th place finish and getting easily beat by the 8th place team in Spain is either lying or needs his head getting tested. LVg got plenty of stick despite finishing 4th last season and like Klopp he also had a mini spell where he did well.

Klopp has taken them from 7th to 8th and things are encouraging because he beat Dortmund? Not having that.
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Klopp took over midseason and was only 6 points from 4th despite them moving the focus to Europa (which now seems like a big mistake).
 
Attila said:
How is it over the top? Liverpool are able to hammer teams under Klopp and score loads of goals. The defence is still shit which can ruin a lot of results but they have made a lot of progress under Klopp I think. LVG still has a incohesive side which he has spent over a hundred million to assemble and two years
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We have an "incohesive" team in attack, but at least we can defend and are an organised team. Klopp's Liverpool show promise for sure but that's all it is right now. They're still the 8th best team in England, without Europe next season, inconsistent as hell and look in disarray conceding plenty of goals. The way United fans big his season up is quite something. He's shown "signs" of what he can do there. Nothing more.

The only thing is that he hasn't got a summer to make changes yet. But the way people big up what he's already done is amusing. And it's generally not the Liverpool fans.

Attila said:
No two year transition for klopp
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It's almost a year and they're in transition. You talk as if they've actually achieved things.
 
Attila said:
Klopp took over midseason and was only 6 points from 4th despite them moving the focus to Europa (which now seems like a big mistake).
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They wouldn't have moved their focus to the Europa if they had any faith in finishing 4th. They didn't which says a lot as well.
 
Attacking wise he's turned a team that started the season under-manned and heavily reliant on the return of Sturridge into a cohesive attack to the point where Sturridge's future looks up in the air. Firmino, Lallana, Origi and Milner look different players. Coutinho has stayed on his level which is still pretty good.
 
Jammydodger7 said:
Says a lot about how Liverpool have declined if they're fans are accepting of an 8th place finish, soon they'll be happy to just get top half. ;)
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In his first year, I'll accept it given the circumstances (push for EL trophy). Of course I wouldn't accept it next year, especially without any European football. Top 4 should be the bare minimum or our season won't be succesful, you heard it here first.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
We have an "incohesive" team in attack, but at least we can defend and are an organised team. Klopp's Liverpool show promise for sure but that's all it is right now. They're still the 8th best team in England, without Europe next season, inconsistent as hell and look in disarray conceding plenty of goals. The way United fans big his season up is quite something. He's shown "signs" of what he can do there. Nothing more.

The only thing is that he hasn't got a summer to make changes yet. But the way people big up what he's already done is amusing. And it's generally not the Liverpool fans.


It's almost a year and they're in transition. You talk as if they've actually achieved things.
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The big advantage Liverpool have is that the focus is not on them, in terms of failure. If they flop, as last night, it's seen by the media as a "full stop", with an "Only way is up" view. In other words, the press is looking for signs of improvement & exploring where they can improve.

United on the other hand, are always compared to their past achievements and things are always seen as "more of the same .." boring/predictable etc... When we did put in some proper decent performances (W. Ham Fa Cup away etc..) it got overlooked a bit.

So, yeah, there's less pressure on Liverpool, compared to us. That IS a big advantage.
 
Attila said:
Klopp took over midseason and was only 6 points from 4th despite them moving the focus to Europa (which now seems like a big mistake).
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Midseason? He took over in the first week of October ffs with bulk of the season still left. And that was when Liverpool were 3 points from 4th. We actually progressed under LVG in his first season unlike Klop who seems to have gone backwards if anything.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
We have an "incohesive" team in attack, but at least we can defend and are an organised team. Klopp's Liverpool show promise for sure but that's all it is right now. They're still the 8th best team in England, without Europe next season, inconsistent as hell and look in disarray conceding plenty of goals. The way United fans big his season up is quite something. He's shown "signs" of what he can do there. Nothing more.

The only thing is that he hasn't got a summer to make changes yet. But the way people big up what he's already done is amusing. And it's generally not the Liverpool fans.


It's almost a year and they're in transition. You talk as if they've actually achieved things.
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We are only able to defend because he are so cautious in attack. West ham we had to defend for 15 mins and fell apart.

I don't know how I got in a position where I'm defending the Liverpool manager when I hate him and his attention seeking antics!! Klopp is building that team up and it's painfully obvious to see.
 
Attila said:
We are only able to defend because he are so cautious in attack. West ham we had to defend for 15 mins and fell apart.

I don't know how I got in a position where I'm defending the Liverpool manager when I hate him and his attention seeking antics!! Klopp is building that team up and it's painfully obvious to see.
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So are they able to attack only because they compromise their defence, then?

Klopp can build up whatever he wants to. But he'll actually have to achieve things to be a success. Showing signs of promise which gets people exaggerating is meaningless.
 
Akash said:
Midseason? He took over in the first week of October ffs with bulk of the season still left. And that was when Liverpool were 3 points from 4th. We actually progressed under LVG unlike Klop who seems to have gone backwards if anything.
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It's still midseason...it takes time to implement ur ideas and he had to work with players he didn't want.

I don't think we have progressed under LVG from last season, going backwards
 
Attila said:
It's still midseason...it takes time to implement ur ideas and he had to work with players he didn't want.

I don't think we have progressed under LVG from last season, going backwards
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I was talking about the first season. We went from 7th to 4th unlike Klopp who's gone from 7th to 8th.
 
mark_a said:
The big advantage Liverpool have is that the focus is not on them, in terms of failure. If they flop, as last night, it's seen by the media as a "full stop", with an "Only way is up" view. In other words, the press is looking for signs of improvement & exploring where they can improve.

United on the other hand, are always compared to their past achievements and things are always seen as "more of the same .." boring/predictable etc... When we did put in some proper decent performances (W. Ham Fa Cup away etc..) it got overlooked a bit.

So, yeah, there's less pressure on Liverpool, compared to us. That IS a big advantage.
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I think in that sense the Liverpool job possibly is a better fit for him than. He gets trip, stumble, experiment and eventually perfect his system, without as much pressure of success/deliverables as there would be at United.
 
Akash said:
Midseason? He took over in the first week of October ffs with bulk of the season still left. And that was when Liverpool were 3 points from 4th. We actually progressed under LVG in his first season unlike Klop who seems to have gone backwards if anything.
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You haven't progressed one single bit under LvG.
 
RobinLFC said:
I would if I'd agree with it. Whatever makes you happy though ;)
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Regarding Liverpool playing the u21's in the league, wouldn't you now consider that a massive feck up? I find it hard to believe that someone as experienced as Klopp didn't work out that he should do enough and qualify for Europa just in case.

I'm not here to bash Liverpool or Klopp, I'm just curious.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
So are they able to attack only because they compromise their defence, then?

Klopp can build up whatever he wants to. But he'll actually have to achieve things to be a success. Showing signs of promise which gets people exaggerating is meaningless.
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I hardly watch Liverpool but when you have the likes of Mignolet and the Spanish left back in defence you are going to be vulnerable no matter what you do

You are incredibly harsh with Klopp, if we were in Liverpools position and a manager came in and got to two finals while playing fantastic attacking football I would be delighted
 
He can ship half the shite out if he wants couldnt care less, and judging by his comments he intends to do exactly that.

Anyways least I can now fully concentrate on planning my permeanant move to amsterdam in july properly
 
Akash said:
So

7th to 4th - No progress.

7th to 8th - Hugely encouraging.

:lol:

Keep munching on the Klopp cock!
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We also went from 4th to 5th and scored hardly any goals playing shite football.

@RobinLFC is right, we have made no progress under LvG and it would be crazy to suggest otherwise. I actually think Klopp underachieved but making comparisons with LvG? Come on.
 
Akash said:
So

7th to 4th - No progress.

7th to 8th - Hugely encouraging.

:lol:

Keep munching on the Klopp cock!
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Come on there's more to look at than league positions and theirs a lot of context to look at in their appointments
 
Poeple are over and underrating Klopp's achievement. He has improved the team after Brendan has left, but I'm not sure if reaching the final of Europa Cup is that big an achievement considering the likes of Fulham and Boro have also reached before.

I'm delighted they have lost though, no Europe for them next season means that they might need to revisit their transfer targets for next season.

Also, not sure why United fans are being called Jealous in this thread? What exactly is there to get jealous about Liverpool this season? I guess you can never second guess the thinking of an idiot.
 
Akash said:
So

7th to 4th - No progress.

7th to 8th - Hugely encouraging.

:lol:

Keep munching on the Klopp cock!
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Yeah because league positions always tell the whole story and are the end all be all of the evaluation of football squads. Man, you're so clueless I'm done replying to you.

SammyUnited_83 said:
Regarding Liverpool playing the u21's in the league, wouldn't you now consider that a massive feck up? I find it hard to believe that someone as experienced as Klopp didn't work out that he should do enough and qualify for Europa just in case.

I'm not here to bash Liverpool or Klopp, I'm just curious.
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Of course not, you know from the beginning that people will question your methods if you eventually don't win the final, it's just a gamble he took and he lost. If we played the second half like the first half yesterday and won the game, he would've been a genius who managed his squad the right way during the season, kept his key players fresh, blablabla. Unfortunately we lost, and it's only normal people will question his approach now but he made the right choice imo - the route to the CL was a lot more realistic via the Europa League than getting top four in the league, I think.

He'll have no excuses next year if he should fail to get top four though, with no European football and a full preseason under his belt.
 
Akash said:
I was talking about the first season. We went from 7th to 4th unlike Klopp who's gone from 7th to 8th.
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If Mourinho took over at Christmas people would have given him the benefit of the doubt as it's not his players, it's a new club which he needs to settle into, he'd have taken over in a dire strait but fans trust him to shape things well with time. That's the same with Klopp. The fact he got them to two cup finals with some memorable results on the way bodes well.
 
KM said:
Poeple are over and underrating Klopp's achievement. He has improved the team after Brendan has left, but I'm not sure if reaching the final of Europa Cup is that big an achievement considering the likes of Fulham and Boro have also reached before.

I'm delighted they have lost though, no Europe for them next season means that they might need to revisit their transfer targets for next season.

Also, not sure why United fans are being called Jealous in this thread? What exactly is there to get jealous about Liverpool this season? I guess you can never second guess the thinking of an idiot.
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Not sure who they played but beating Man United, Dortmund and Villareal is a big achievement imo
 
Attila said:
I hardly watch Liverpool but when you have the likes of Mignolet and the Spanish left back in defence you are going to be vulnerable no matter what you do
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As we should with the apparently rubbish Rojo, Darmian and shorty Blind according to the caf.

Attila said:
You are incredibly harsh with Klopp, if we were in Liverpools position and a manager came in and got to two finals while playing fantastic attacking football I would be delighted
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I'm absolutely not. Just trying to balance out the over and underrating of the job he's done so far. I don't see how a United fan can be "delighted" with two cup final defeats but an 8th place finish.

Like I said earlier, it's not horrible or fantastic. It's more decent/average with promising signs.
 
Attila said:
Not sure who they played but beating Man United, Dortmund and Villareal is a big achievement imo
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We are rubbish mate. Dortmund was excellent and I'm not sure about Villarreal's quality. Fulham did beat Juventus in the semi finals I think.
 
KM said:
Poeple are over and underrating Klopp's achievement. He has improved the team after Brendan has left, but I'm not sure if reaching the final of Europa Cup is that big an achievement considering the likes of Fulham and Boro have also reached before.

I'm delighted they have lost though, no Europe for them next season means that they might need to revisit their transfer targets for next season.

Also, not sure why United fans are being called Jealous in this thread? What exactly is there to get jealous about Liverpool this season? I guess you can never second guess the thinking of an idiot.
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Agree.
 
KM said:
Poeple are over and underrating Klopp's achievement. He has improved the team after Brendan has left, but I'm not sure if reaching the final of Europa Cup is that big an achievement considering the likes of Fulham and Boro have also reached before.

I'm delighted they have lost though, no Europe for them next season means that they might need to revisit their transfer targets for next season.

Also, not sure why United fans are being called Jealous in this thread? What exactly is there to get jealous about Liverpool this season? I guess you can never second guess the thinking of an idiot.
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Let's just look at it this way: if LvG was sacked back in October and the new manager led you to two cup finals with some/a lot of signs of improvement while also showing some huge flaws in your squad, would you be happy? I think you would be, especially if that manager had an excellent track record in the transfer market like Klopp has. So I don't think you can fault Liverpool fans for being optimistic and not considering this season a failure. If you look at it in isolation, I'd agree with you because 8th place and no silverware is disappointing, but in context it was definitely the first step in the right direction.

No idea who you're referring to in your last paragraph tbh.
 
If Liverpool making Europa cup final's is a "big achievement" then their standards must really be low.

Sure, they've done pretty well but it's hardly something to champion, is it?
 
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