Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Alex99 said:
CL qualification is overstated as a draw for the top players anyway. Unless you're one of the few teams with a realistic chance of winning it, being able to pay high wages is more likely to land you a top player than being favourites to get dumped out in the group stage. There's a reason Leicester aren't going to be signing any top class players, and there's a reason the likes of Basel find their best players leaving rather than attracting stars to join them.
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The opposite is true.

Today, players can earn more from ads than from wages. And this is true for players of all levels, in Real, Basel, any team. Exposure is vital for players.

CL qualification is even more important for smaller teams, like Basel, because they don't have any other way to earn the money they'll get from CL.

If one of the top teams does not play in CL for a year or two, it is not important because they have a steady income from other sources (TV, shirts, ads, etc). However, if they keep missing CL, then they are "relegated" to second or lower tier. All their money sources decrease.
 
Am using the word "likeable" relative to LvG. Klopp has not done enough for me to form a strong opinion on him. Yeah he plays to the cameras, but there are worse sins that that.

LvG, on the other hand ...
 
Insanity said:
Mignolet
Clyne Lovern Toure Moreno
Can Millner
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Any manager who can make a team play decent football with a base of those 7 is brilliant.

Slept after the first half fearing the worst and was glad to find out this morning that Sevilla pulled them back in the second.

He took the risk this season and rightly prioritized the CL route through Europa, as getting top 4 in the league was much harder. The real challenge for Klopp begins now. Without CL, it's going to be much harder for them to recruit top players and he'll have to fish in the "upside potential" market.

We'll find out what is he made of in the next 6 months.
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Decent football? They conceded 3 in a final.

I like that no matter what Klopp does, he is "brilliant".
 
And their squad isn't even that bad either. Sturridge, Coutinho and Firminho are all very good footballers.

Their defence isn't great but people seem to think ours is crap as well with Blind, Rojo and Darmian at the back yet Klopp somehow gets that excuse. Funnily enough, it's usually from United fans.
 
Liverpool fans are hilarious to be fair; one week their squad is just brilliant and the likes of Can and Firmino are the next big things, then they go and feck up and suddenly their whole squad bar one or two is replaceable. The Klopp excuses are absolutely tiresome as are his admirers on here.
 
Lost more points from a winning position than any other team this year.

What happened in the final was not a coincidence. Whatever klopp is trying to do, he can't get them playing for 90 minutes, which is probably where he should start.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Decent football? They conceded 3 in a final.

I like that no matter what Klopp does, he is "brilliant".
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One half of football doesn't define anything. Since he has had time to settle in, they have played cohesive football; especially against the bigger sides.

He is a brilliant manager, as he showed at BVB by building an excellent team and disrupting the Bayern hegemony.

For me he suddenly isn't a shit manager because he is managing our bitter rivals.
 
Looking only at the outcome this season he has been a failure so far.
On the other Hand it cannot be denied that they clearly Play the better Football compared to bullshit we Show.

LvG stated that he did his best with the Players at Hand which is quite a hilarious Thing to say from his side given that he has been here for 2 full seasons and had enough Money at Hand to build his squad.
Klopp just took over and improved their playing style. If he is able to land 2 or 3 top Players for certain positions I am pretty sure they will be top 4 next season.
 
The Klopp thing is a bit daft. They have finished 8th and lost two cup finals ending up with no European football. I'm also yet to see this "fantastic" brand of football and "bright future" the club has.

The Caf would be going berserk if United ended up like that yet here and afar under Klopp it's championship contenders 2016/17 form.

Truly bizarre. He's a likeable guy yes and obviously knowledgeable, better than what they had etc but he's done nothing yet at Liverpool to justify the lavish praise thrown around.
 
He's already lost 12 games since coming in including two cup finals, but yeah he's been superb.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Decent football? They conceded 3 in a final.

I like that no matter what Klopp does, he is "brilliant".
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I know. The cult of Klopp knows no bounds. Football's about attack and defence and Liverpool conceded three, so to say they played decent football doesn't wash. Maybe they looked ok in attack, but that's only one aspect of the game.
 
Insanity said:
Mignolet
Clyne Lovern Toure Moreno
Can Millner
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Any manager who can make a team play decent football with a base of those 7 is brilliant.

Slept after the first half fearing the worst and was glad to find out this morning that Sevilla pulled them back in the second.

He took the risk this season and rightly prioritized the CL route through Europa, as getting top 4 in the league was much harder. The real challenge for Klopp begins now. Without CL, it's going to be much harder for them to recruit top players and he'll have to fish in the "upside potential" market.

We'll find out what is he made of in the next 6 months.
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He took the risk? Nah. His Liverpool side has been comprehensively outplayed by some of the worst teams in the Premier League and they were never in contention for a Champions League spot due to that.

Their tilt at the Europa wasn't by design. It was necessity because of poor league form.

Of course, Klopp needs time to bring players in and build his own side, but his spell at Liverpool so far has been very underwhelming in relation to the hype that surrounded his appointment.
 
Insanity said:
One half of football doesn't define anything. Since he has had time to settle in, they have played cohesive football; especially against the bigger sides.
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Neither does one cup run. They have been very impressive, at times, I agree, and I'm impressed by their "direction". But in terms of results, his first season is still some 8th place finish and no cups. I'm sure he and the club are a bit disappointed given they wanted top 4 which is why they brought him in.

Insanity said:
He is a brilliant manager, as he showed at BVB by building an excellent team and disrupting the Bayern hegemony.
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That's in the past. It has nothing to do with "anyone doing THIS with THIS Liverpool team is brilliant". One cup run to a Europa League final is not the definition of brilliance. His achievements of 3-4 years back were great but that's a different topic altogether.

Insanity said:
For me he suddenly isn't a shit manager because he is managing our bitter rivals.
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I didn't say he is. We're allowed to enjoy him losing a final though.
 
Kag said:
He took the risk? Nah. His Liverpool side has been comprehensively outplayed by some of the worst teams in the Premier League and they were never in contention for a Champions League spot due to that.

Their tilt at the Europa wasn't by design. It was necessity because of poor league form.

Of course, Klopp needs time to bring players in and build his own side, but his spell at Liverpool so far has been very underwhelming in relation to the hype that surrounded his appointment.
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No Kag, don't you know that you have to refer back to Klopp's Dortmund days (but conveniently don't mention his final season) when talking about him. It's simply audacious to even comprehend talking about his underwhelming record at Liverpool to-date :nono:
 
Eboue said:
Not quite. Arsenal fans weren't trying to belittle the achievements of Spurs nearly as much as the Man Utd posters here. It was quite an odd sight.
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Of course they were. You were just spending all your time on a United forum and missed it.

Plus, CL football+trophy is obviously more important than the irrelevant 2nd place finish (which is just pride really).
 
Kag said:
He took the risk? Nah. His Liverpool side has been comprehensively outplayed by some of the worst teams in the Premier League and they were never in contention for a Champions League spot due to that.

Their tilt at the Europa wasn't by design. It was necessity because of poor league form.

Of course, Klopp needs time to bring players in and build his own side, but his spell at Liverpool so far has been very underwhelming in relation to the hype that surrounded his appointment.
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Check out some of the line-ups he put out against those teams to keep his players fresh for Europa, and it'll tell you if some of it was by design or was out of necessity.

I do not want to sit here and defend Klopp. Though, I do believe that getting that defense and midfield playing good football shows that he should do well for them. Whether it happens or not: the next 6 months will tell.
 
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Eboue said:
Not quite. Arsenal fans weren't trying to belittle the achievements of Spurs nearly as much as the Man Utd posters here. It was quite an odd sight.
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Yep, former / current Arsenal players weren't all over Twitter slagging off Spurs or anything.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Of course they were. You were just spending all your time on a United forum and missed it.

Plus, CL football+trophy is obviously more important than the irrelevant 2nd place finish (which is just pride really).
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I spend barely any time on any forum these days. The football forum is painful reading with so many unable to handle not being the top dog anymore.
 
Yeah its an odd sight to see United fans belittle mighty Klopp's achievements just hours after a decent bottle job in a european final which would have potentially made Liverpool stronger next season. Yeah right.
 
Eboue said:
I spend barely any time on any forum these days. The football forum is painful reading with so many unable to handle not being the top dog anymore.
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That I can't disagree with.

But don't be a spoilsport, Ebooby. We've always enjoyed Liverpool losing here, especially such big games, and that isn't going to change.
 
Moonred said:
Yeah its an odd sight to see United fans belittle mighty Klopp's achievements just hours after a decent bottle job in a european final which would have potentially made Liverpool stronger next season. Yeah right.
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I'm sure if that was us last night, the lads in RAWK would be ever so sympathetic. Football rivalry eh....
 
amolbhatia50k said:
That I can't disagree with.

But don't be a spoilsport, Ebooby. Reactions are extreme these days to anything but who cares really?
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I mean, I get the laughing at Klopp and Liverpool. It's funny to see them fail at the last hurdle all the time. But it's not like Klopp is a fraud or anything. He's obviously done at least a decent job so far.
 
Eboue said:
Not quite. Arsenal fans weren't trying to belittle the achievements of Spurs nearly as much as the Man Utd posters here. It was quite an odd sight.
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Maybe that's the problem, this is Manchester United forum after all with majority of posters being Manchester United fans.
 
Eboue said:
I mean, I get the laughing at Klopp and Liverpool. It's funny to see them fail at the last hurdle all the time. But it's not like Klopp is a fraud or anything. He's obviously done at least a decent job so far.
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Neither is Pochettino a fraud. He's done a really good job this season and put it somewhat of a challenge. But I still saw a lot of "Totteringham Day" crap the other day after a pretty much pointless result that had no actual baring on either team. This actually matters.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Neither does one cup run. They have been very impressive, at times, I agree, and I'm impressed by their "direction". But in terms of results, his first season is still some 8th place finish and no cups. I'm sure he and the club are a bit disappointed given they wanted top 4 which is why they brought him in.
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I never said they would be ecstatic. Though after 26 years of disappointment, there are reasons to be hopeful.

That's in the past. It has nothing to do with "anyone doing THIS with THIS Liverpool team is brilliant". One cup run to a Europa League final is not the definition of brilliance. His achievements of 3-4 years back were great but that's a different topic altogether.
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I never said that reaching a Europa league final is the definition of brilliance. I said getting that lot
to play good football is quite an achievement; those 7 players are the very definition of mediocrity (may be not Clyne, who I think is decent).


I didn't say he is. We're allowed to enjoy him losing a final though.
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Did I stop you or anyone?
 
Amar__ said:
Maybe that's the problem, this is Manchester United forum after all with majority of posters being Manchester United fans.
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Exactly. I know the caf is quite inclusive but let's not forget that, if you're going to see fan's milking their rivals losing, it's on a forum such as this.
 
Christ, I really shouldn't have to spell this out.

Moonred, I said it was odd for Man Utd fans to be so invested with downplaying Spurs achievements, as they are not traditional rivals.
Amar and Amolbhatia, I'm not commenting on people laughing at Liverpool. I'm commenting on people going to such lengths to discredit Klopp and what he's accomplished this season.
Kraftwerker, you are a weird and obsessed poster but sometimes you are funny.

Ok then, good talk guys.
 
Eboue said:
Christ, I really shouldn't have to spell this out.

Moonred, I said it was odd for Man Utd fans to be so invested with downplaying Spurs achievements, as they are not traditional rivals.
Amar and Amolbhatia, I'm not commenting on people laughing at Liverpool. I'm commenting on people going to such lengths to discredit Klopp and what he's accomplished this season.
Kraftwerker, you are a weird and obsessed poster but sometimes you are funny.

Ok then, good talk guys.
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God knows what this is or how it has anything to do with what I said. But I get your overall point.
 
Insanity said:
I never said they would be ecstatic. Though after 26 years of disappointment, there are reasons to be hopeful.
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Hopeful, yes. But mixed with disappointment I'm sure. Rodgers would have finished 8th and they'd have berated him. They seized the opportunity to get Klopp with the aim at a 4th place finish which he failed at. But of course, there are promising signs that his coaching is showing.

Insanity said:
I never said that reaching a Europa league final is the definition of brilliance. I said getting that lot
to play good football is quite an achievement; those 7 players are the very definition of mediocrity (may be not Clyne, who I think is decent).
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Why, exactly? Their defence concedes 3 or more in the final, semi final, against Southampon and against Norwich (:lol:), and that is "getting a lot out of them"?

He's got them looking impressive on the ball/in attack for sure, but that has almost nothing to do with the back 4. In fact, if anything, Moreno and Clyne have the pace to support attacks. Their actual attack is very good on paper - Sturridge, Coutinho, Firmino and Origi.

Insanity said:
Did I stop you or anyone?
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Well, you sound like a slapped bum needing to big him up for no apparent reason. Just fess up, Klopp isn't "brilliant" for what you called him brilliant for.
 
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