Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Klopper76 said:
Who are these star players? Coutinho is too inconsistent and whilst Firmino has had a good first season I doubt he'll be off in the summer. Sturridge? Maybe but his injury record makes everyone take a step back. I wouldn't class anyone else in our squad as having star quality right now. There's a bit of potential here and there for improvement but not much else at the moment.
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'Star' maybe a bit strong, but yes, those were the three I had in mind.

Think a lot of sides would be happy to gamble on Sturridge.

Coutinho inconsistent but again a lot of sides would still fancy trying to mould him into something.

I'd say it's very likely one of those three will leave.
 
Raw said:
The posts on here in the first half of the game today were just shocking :wenger:
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I missed the first half, but was shocked to see they were only 1-0 up after reading through he thread. Thought it was game over.
 
Shark said:
True, but Liverpool can't offer much of that either, compared to the clubs I mentioned.
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I was backing you up, pal. All this talk by @RobinLFC , @Klopper76 and others about Klopp bringing in his own players, but who are his own players? None of the decent ones at Dortmund are going to trade being there for Liverpool, and of the players that will improve them, most are likely to want pay or demand fees that Liverpool simply can't afford.

As for this talk of spending a summer training camp with them, there's the Euros this summer you fecknuggets. Plus he's had pretty much an entire season with them. How is that not enough time to have an influence?
 
Alex99 said:
CL qualification is overstated as a draw for the top players anyway. Unless you're one of the few teams with a realistic chance of winning it, being able to pay high wages is more likely to land you a top player than being favourites to get dumped out in the group stage. There's a reason Leicester aren't going to be signing any top class players, and there's a reason the likes of Basel find their best players leaving rather than attracting stars to join them.
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It enabled them to sign Suarez a few years back.

They would have gone after equivalent players, but now have very little to offer expect Klopp's whacky ways.
 
Also, for the record, I've been scathing of Klopp for a good two years now. A cup run doesn't change that.
 
Attila said:
City lost to pretty much all of the top teams in England this season and lost 4-0 to Liverpool 3 days after the final.
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Still better than Liverpool on paper. City underperformed massively but got top 4. Liverpool ended up right where they should be, in 8th place.
 
Alex99 said:
I was backing you up, pal. All this talk by @RobinLFC , @Klopper76 and others about Klopp bringing in his own players, but who are his own players? None of the decent ones at Dortmund are going to trade being there for Liverpool, and of the players that will improve them, most are likely to want pay or demand fees that Liverpool simply can't afford.

As for this talk of spending a summer training camp with them, there's the Euros this summer you fecknuggets. Plus he's had pretty much an entire season with them. How is that not enough time to have an influence?
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Sigh. Let's just leave it at this, will we? I'll let you know who his players are at the end of August, of course I wasn't talking about his former players at Dortmund ffs.

By the way, we could easily afford Götze's wages for example.
 
sammsky1 said:
It enabled them to sign Suarez a few years back.

They would have gone after equivalent players, but now have very little to offer expect Klopp's whacky ways.
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Liverpool weren't even in the CL when they signed Suarez. He was a very rare signing, and it hardly turned out particularly in their favour. Before 2013/14 Suarez was a good but not a particularly inspiring player, then he really stepped up a gear and subsequently left.

If Liverpool sign another player that has a trajectory like Suarez, the same will happen, and the chances of them finding someone like that are slim.
 
RobinLFC said:
Sigh. Let's just leave it at this, will we? I'll let you know who his players are at the end of August, of course I wasn't talking about his former players at Dortmund ffs.

By the way, we could easily afford Götze's wages for example.
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Liverpool can afford any player in the world, money won't be the issue unless he's looking to bring in many players.
 
Kraftwerker said:
'Star' maybe a bit strong, but yes, those were the three I had in mind.

Think a lot of sides would be happy to gamble on Sturridge.

Coutinho inconsistent but again a lot of sides would still fancy trying to mould him into something.

I'd say it's very likely one of those three will leave.
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I don't see it myself. Firimino's only been here a year and as we've both said Coutinho's inconsistencies are an issue, so that would likely deter someone like Bayern or Real Madrid right now. Maybe if he improves in a couple of years they might want him.

On Sturridge I've heard Arsenal linked to him but what's the point in them signing a player who is already injury prone? He's already been at City and Chelsea, and we never do business with United. Leicester or Spurs? Probably not. He could go to Spain or Bayern but I'm not sure he's good enough for them.
 
RobinLFC said:
Sigh. Let's just leave it at this, will we? I'll let you know who his players are at the end of August, of course I wasn't talking about his former players at Dortmund ffs.

By the way, we could easily afford Götze's wages for example.
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Not you specifically, but I've seen so much Reus, Gotze, Hummels, Lewandowski, Gundogan, etc. talk that it's clear that many believe that Dortmund or ex-Dortmund players are the prime targets. I look at Liverpool's squad and see the need for a major overhaul. Your best players are Sturridge, Coutinho and Firminho, and even then you've got a perma-crock who won't sprint, someone who's still horribly inconsistent, and another who's had half a good season.

As you acknowledge, you have no idea who Klopp will bring in, so this talk of a transfer window is nothing more than blind faith that something will come off. This, despite a complete lack of business in January. You might be able to afford Gotze's wages, but that doesn't mean he'll want to move to Liverpool, and if you did sign him, I'd wager that there wouldn't be much else happening transfer-wise bar a few departures.

For a manager who's supposedly amongst the best active managers, famed for his ability to motivate and get the best out of players, Klopp apparently needs a hell of a lot of time and money to make an average team anything other than average.
 
If Leicester are serious about spending then they can easily afford the 25m for a proven goal scorer. Especially once Vardy goes or even if he stays.

We need pacy, hardworking forwards now. Studge's injuries means he's never going to be that player anymore.

Heck Leicester can even dangle the CL carrot at him. :wenger::lol:
 
Klopper76 said:
I don't see it myself. Firimino's only been here a year and as we've both said Coutinho's inconsistencies are an issue, so that would likely deter someone like Bayern or Real Madrid right now. Maybe if he improves in a couple of years they might want him.

On Sturridge I've heard Arsenal linked to him but what's the point in them signing a player who is already injury prone? He's already been at City and Chelsea, and we never do business with United. Leicester or Spurs? Probably not. He could go to Spain or Bayern but I'm not sure he's good enough for them.
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I don't think it's just Bayern and Real you need to be worried about.

The next tier of clubs could easily take your players, the likes of PSG, Juve and Atletico. Reckon they'd all fancy taking Coutinho.

Can't see Firmino going for the reason you mentioned, not been there long enough.

Sturridge probably most likely to force a move but whether anyone wants him is another debate. With the right contract, any of the above clubs (including those you mention) would probably take a Michael Owen type gamble.
 
Kraftwerker said:
I don't think it's just Bayern and Real you need to be worried about.

The next tier of clubs could easily take your players, the likes of PSG, Juve and Atletico. Reckon they'd all fancy taking Coutinho.

Can't see Firmino going for the reason you mentioned, not been there long enough.

Sturridge probably most likely to force a move but whether anyone wants him is another debate. With the right contract, any of the above clubs (including those you mention) would probably take a Michael Owen type gamble.
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I'm not sure Coutinho's good enough for that level at the moment either. You saw tonight that he can go missing entirely. He scores some nice goals over a season but if you're looking for a solid 90 minute performance you won't get it most of the time. It's amazing he got nominated for YPOTY.

We'll see what happens with Sturridge. I'm not sure Klopp's that keen on him and given his body language, I don't think Sturridge is that keen on Klopp. It's possible he could go. Mixed emotions if he does.
 
RedPed said:
From the LFC boards....just a selection amongst others.

Today,21:32

Abysmal finals record. Abysmal.

Today,21:33

Klopp is becoming like Wenger of the past decade now..the nearly man.

Today,21:37

****in ****** blaming Klopp.

Too many cowards on the pitch.

Moreno Sevilla MoTM but there were others that totally bottled it.

Today,21:39

**** off the lot of you.

Feel free to ignore this if you're not someone trying to put the boot into Klopp after our players bottled it yet again.

Today,21:40

How anyone can blame Klopp is beyond me, he cant help it if the players cant respond to some shocking mistakes!

Today,21:42

A group of serial losers led by a serial loser. Nothing else to say about it.

Today,21:42

Players to blame first
Klopp second

Oh and well done Sevilla. Excellent performance.

We need changes even the so called big game players disappeared tonight.

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Seems like a collection of morons there.
 
Kraftwerker said:
I don't think it's just Bayern and Real you need to be worried about.

The next tier of clubs could easily take your players, the likes of PSG, Juve and Atletico. Reckon they'd all fancy taking Coutinho.

Can't see Firmino going for the reason you mentioned, not been there long enough.

Sturridge probably most likely to force a move but whether anyone wants him is another debate. With the right contract, any of the above clubs (including those you mention) would probably take a Michael Owen type gamble.
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Sturridge wouldn't be a huge loss anyway.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Sturridge wouldn't be a huge loss anyway.
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There's not one single player that could leave and I'd consider a huge loss. Not one. Man Utd have De Gea and Martial. City have Aguero, etc, etc. That's why I hope it's a big clear out rather than a measured one. More Klopp approved players = better for our future.
 
Dumbstar said:
There's not one single player that could leave and I'd consider a huge loss. Not one. Man Utd have De Gea and Martial. City have Aguero, etc, etc. That's why I hope it's a big clear out rather than a measured one. More Klopp approved players = better for our future.
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Happy enough with a big clear out, but given we don't have European football I don't there needs to be a lot of new players brought in.

Another year of a lot of new signings just means another year in transition. I'd rather we dump the deadwood and focus on trying to sign a few quality players instead of buying more squad players.

Easier said than done though. We don't need to buy a new 11, just need to freshen up.
 
Thats it now for Flopp and his merry band of deluded Scousers.
Bob Loblaw said:
Happy enough with a big clear out, but given we don't have European football I don't there needs to be a lot of new players brought in.

Another year of a lot of new signings just means another year in transition. I'd rather we dump the deadwood and focus on trying to sign a few quality players instead of buying more squad players.

Easier said than done though. We don't need to buy a new 11, just need to freshen up.
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Like a quick snort in the powder room eh whack?:lol:
 
Nothing weird about people liking Klopp at all. He's a relatively young manager with a charismatic personality, and he managed to build a young team that was very successful and played lovely football. He's easy to admire, though as he is now at Liverpool I hope he fails hilariously. That's the gist of it.
 
Really cannot stress how important it was for Liverpool to lose tonight . A win really could have kick-started something big, but that defeat has set them back big time.

And it was obvious Klopp was thinking that too.

Fantastic.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Happy enough with a big clear out, but given we don't have European football I don't there needs to be a lot of new players brought in.

Another year of a lot of new signings just means another year in transition. I'd rather we dump the deadwood and focus on trying to sign a few quality players instead of buying more squad players.

Easier said than done though. We don't need to buy a new 11, just need to freshen up.
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Any idea on what positions and players he will target? Looking at the squad I put this together...how would you finish/change it? The midfield looks average...needs some Gotze perhaps

GK - New
CB - Sakho/Matip
CB - Lovren/Toure
RB - Clyne/
LB -
CM - Lucas
CM - Can/Allen
CM - Milner
AR - Firminho/Lallana
AL - Coutinho/
ST - Sturridge/Origi/Ings

Out - Benteke, Mignolet, Skrtel,
 
Attila said:
Any idea on what positions and players he will target? Looking at the squad I put this together...how would you finish/change it? The midfield looks average...needs some Gotze perhaps

GK - New
CB - Sakho/Matip
CB - Lovren/Toure
RB - Clyne/
LB -
CM - Lucas
CM - Can/Allen
CM - Milner
AR - Firminho/Lallana
AL - Coutinho/
ST - Sturridge/Origi/Ings

Out - Benteke, Mignolet, Skrtel,
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Grujic to come in too, unsure how good/ready he is though, and Henderson in the middle as well. We have plenty of squad players in centre midfield but need a top quality one alongside Can (and maybe another).

I'd rather see Milner move to being a rotation wide player - he's useless in the middle but out wide he's a willing runner and has good crossing ability.

Wouldn't mind if Sturridge goes if we can find a good replacement, otherwise he should start off as second choice behind Origi and with a lot of work on to prove he's better suited to Klopp's team.

As you said, keeper and left back are a must (even with Gomez back), 1 centre midfielder and another versatile forward would be ideal.
 
Attila said:
Any idea on what positions and players he will target? Looking at the squad I put this together...how would you finish/change it? The midfield looks average...needs some Gotze perhaps

GK - Karius/Mignolet
CB - Sakho/Matip
CB - Subotic/Lovren
RB - Clyne/Flanagan
LB - Hector/Gomez
CM - Zielinski/Lucas/Henderson
CM - Can/Grujic/Allen
AR - Lallana/Ibe/Milner
AL - Coutinho/Markovic
AM - Firmino/Götze
ST - Sturridge/Origi/Ings
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This would mean we'll bring in a goalie (Karius), two defenders (Subotic and Hector) and two midfielders (Götze and Zielinski) with Matip and Grujic already confirmed. I'd like us to go for a new striker as well but I can't really think of a realistic target so I don't think Benteke will actually leave this summer. It's anyone's guess though, I've got no clue what Klopp will do but I'm excited to find out.
 
Attila said:
Any idea on what positions and players he will target? Looking at the squad I put this together...how would you finish/change it? The midfield looks average...needs some Gotze perhaps

GK - New
CB - Sakho/Matip
CB - Lovren/Toure
RB - Clyne/
LB -
CM - Lucas
CM - Can/Allen
CM - Milner
AR - Firminho/Lallana
AL - Coutinho/
ST - Sturridge/Origi/Ings

Out - Benteke, Mignolet, Skrtel,
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You have Matip in as a CB there, but maybe he wants him as a defensive mid?
 
RobinLFC said:
This would mean we'll bring in a goalie (Karius), two defenders (Subotic and Hector) and two midfielders (Götze and Zielinski) with Matip and Grujic already confirmed. I'd like us to go for a new striker as well but I can't really think of a realistic target so I don't think Benteke will actually leave this summer. It's anyone's guess though, I've got no clue what Klopp will do but I'm excited to find out.
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Karius
Subotic
Hector
Zielinski
Gotze

How much do you think these players would cost? Haven't even heard of some of them (Karius and Zielinski) so I'm assuming pretty cheap. I can see Klopp been given £100m+ to spend this summer with the new tv deal coming and him actually being a good manager so the board will have faith in him with that money.

Next seasons battle for top 4 and the title is going to be very interesting...if I was to guess now I would say City, United(if its Mourinho, 6th for us otherwise), Chelsea, Liverpool. Wenger and Arsenal out because I can see there being uncertainty over Wenger's future due to the contract situation

@Earthquake Didn't know he could play DM, just assumed he was a cb
 
RobinLFC said:
This would mean we'll bring in a goalie (Karius), two defenders (Subotic and Hector) and two midfielders (Götze and Zielinski) with Matip and Grujic already confirmed. I'd like us to go for a new striker as well but I can't really think of a realistic target so I don't think Benteke will actually leave this summer. It's anyone's guess though, I've got no clue what Klopp will do but I'm excited to find out.
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Instead of trying to sign the Bundesliga, why don't you guys just move over there instead?
 
Atleast they don't have Europa league next season.

Think they'll be better off without it after Klopp's had a full preseason.
 
Klopp is a fantastic coach and a very charismatic, intelligent man. He really does seem to get the maximum out of his players. I like pressing, quick football unlike the Lethargic crap we have watched under lvg. I unfortunately think Klopp will build a good side with Liverpool.

On the other hand he has one hell of a job. I don't mean to be too disrespectful to Liverpool fans in here but the squad is dirt. Sturridge and Coutihno are great. Firmino and Clyne are good players and the rest are poor. Don't won't to chat about potential like Can or Origi, the side is poor. Klopp has over achieved with a bad bunch.He hasn't signed any of its own players really yet and look what he's done, take out loans ect. Rodgers left them in a right mess. If they got champions league football by winning tonight I would be worried. He will attract players in Europe and will bring in a gem of 2 in my opinion, probably on the cheap. People can say what they want but he has a huge job ahead. He isn't going to convince Lewandowski or Greizmann to come to a team that are eight in there domestic league with no European football.

Tonight Liverpool and Klopp were dealt a blow with potential target's this Summer. I don't think anybody can argue with that. It's going to be a very interesting season next year. I think with no European distraction, Liverpool will finish much higher next year. I could seem them getting fourth if they have a great window. We seen what a positive coach and good training could do to Leicester City, Liverpool could surprise a few next year. The league will be stronger next year though. United, Chelsea, Everton, City Arsenal and spurs will improve. It's going to be competitive.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
Tonight Liverpool and Klopp were dealt a blow with potential target's this Summer. I don't think anybody can argue with that. It's going to be a very interesting season next year. I think with no European distraction, Liverpool will finish much higher next year. I could seem them getting fourth if they have a great window. We seen what a positive coach and good training could do to Leicester City, Liverpool could surprise a few next year. The league will be stronger next year though. United, Chelsea, Everton, City Arsenal and spurs will improve. It's going to be competitive.
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Lack of Champions League will definitely be a factor - but, a world class manager is a big incentive for a lot of top players. If they view it as a project, and respect the coach's ability, they will go.

Similar situation to us if we sign Mourinho. Out of the CL, but a world class manager and the biggest club in the country. Players will come.
 
An average fraud of a manager and a cnut of gigantic proportions. Managed to do worse than Brentan in the league. He's been shocking so far and I'm loving it.
 
Mignolet
Clyne Lovern Toure Moreno
Can Millner
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Any manager who can make a team play decent football with a base of those 7 is brilliant.

Slept after the first half fearing the worst and was glad to find out this morning that Sevilla pulled them back in the second.

He took the risk this season and rightly prioritized the CL route through Europa, as getting top 4 in the league was much harder. The real challenge for Klopp begins now. Without CL, it's going to be much harder for them to recruit top players and he'll have to fish in the "upside potential" market.

We'll find out what is he made of in the next 6 months.
 
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I think he'll do better than Brentan over time, but actually winning the EPL will be tough.

He's still more likeable than LvG though, and that makes me uncomfortable.
 
fatboy said:
I think he'll do better than Brentan over time, but actually winning the EPL will be tough.

He's still more likeable than LvG though, and that makes me uncomfortable.
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There's nothing 'likeable' about him whatsoever, quite the opposite actually. And really, is LvG is a good yardstick when it comes to likeability :lol:
 
fatboy said:
I think he'll do better than Brentan over time, but actually winning the EPL will be tough.

He's still more likeable than LvG though, and that makes me uncomfortable.
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Likeable? He's a gurney attention seeker. Everything he does is for the cameras. So much gesticulation and mouthing so we can lip read. Oh what a big personality.
 
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