I really don't get this at all.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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I really don't get this at all.
Obviously when the post I quoted said "saying Liverpool should challenge is not same as Klopp should challenge", when Klopp is Liverpool's manager.Because its fecking nonsense. It's like saying Pep didn't win the league, City won, it doesn't make any sense and we have 3 people arguing that.
A typing error, but you probably already knew that.
For me personally, the most attractive Liverpool was under Roy Evans.
Maybe I am the only one who has that pick.
Please don't laugh at me.
We should be challenging with the money we've spent. But relative to City it's not enough.
But to those who are saying Klopp should be sacked if he doesn't challenge. Mourinho has spent the roughly the same as Klopp in a year less , so why isn't he sacked yet?
But to those who are saying Klopp should be sacked if he doesn't challenge. Mourinho has spent the roughly the same as Klopp in a year less , so why isn't he sacked yet?
What route? Looking at net figures is how most things in life are judged.
Because he won 2 trophies and improved our league position from 6th to 2nd. Pretty obvious isn't it?
You know the way Klopp didn’t win the League Cup or the Europa league, Jose did, in a year less like you said.
The league cup and the Europa League hardly major trophies are they for one of the self-proclaimed biggest clubs in the world. And he ended up 6th so he improved his own failure in the league with massive spending at that time. And with people always mentioning how we had an easy route to the UCL final, your Europa league route was an absolute joke.
So if Mourinho keeps winning the league cup every year he won't be fired? What happened to the "he should be challenging for the title because he spent alot of money" train of thought?
What's hard to understand?
Klopp should challenge as a result of the fact that Liverpool should challenge. One derives from the other, how is that the same thing?
Sorry, I'm not getting into a discussion on Net Spend because:
a) it is irrelevant
b) the argument itself is a red herring.
Oh dear, so Liverpool should challenge means bricks, wall, stadium, land in the name of Liverpool football club will challenge for the league?
That's how silly your point is. We are not talking about some tea lady here, we are talking about coach who controls the team.
Liverpool and Klopp, for all intents and purposes, are one and the same entity. Especially in regards to their aspirations and expectations for the coming season. I'm struggling to see how you are making a distinction between the two.
He is expected to challenge every season. I expect United to challenge this season and wouldn't be surprised if they finished above Liverpool again. Perhaps at Liverpool you can sniff at 'lesser' trophies having been so incredibly successful in the last 10 years, but at United we like to see our team win any trophy, no matter how small and insignificant. In 2006 United only won the league cup and then went on to have one of the most successful spells in our entire history.
If you're going with the bizarre fixing your own problems argument, then Klopp failed to improve upon his own 4th place finish from the previous season - but that would be a rubbish thing to say.
The whole net spend argument is a laughable defense on why liverpool shouldn't have any pressure on challenging for the title. Sure some praise is due for managing to have a fairly balanced transfer strategy. Though this is mainly do to some of their top players begging to leave credit to liverpool for getting great prices for them to be fair.
But net spend is looking into the past and not the present. Look at the assembled squad now. The cost to assemble the current squad has been quite high. Liverpool now have the most expensive keeper the most expensive defender. Players in Salah, Mane, and Firmino. This is a team that should be competing for the title and likewise have the pressure that such expectations bring.
Yes Liverpool are competing against two teams with sugar daddies in Manchester City and Chelsea. Yes you are competing against a wealthier club in United, but those are all deflections.
But net spend is looking into the past and not the present. Look at the assembled squad now. The cost to assemble the current squad has been quite high. Liverpool now have the most expensive keeper the most expensive defender. Players in Salah, Mane, and Firmino. This is a team that should be competing for the title and likewise have the pressure that such expectations bring.
Yes Liverpool are competing against two teams with sugar daddies in Manchester City and Chelsea. Yes you are competing against a wealthier club in United, but those are all deflections.
It means LFC should challenge for the title. Yes, that means the whole club. Since you want to take this into silly extremes, try challenging for anything while your cooks poison the players. Klopp isn't going to score goals. He isn't going to magically prevent injuries. Etc...
Every single player or manager who's ever won anything will tell how important it is to have a great club behind. Managers matter more than most, but teams don't win or lose because of the manager.
Klopp works for Liverpool. When you say Klopp should challenge, you are basically restricting Liverpool's season to how well Klopp does his job. That's silly. Klopp could do an amazing job and liverpool might still finish 20 points off City. Or he could do a job so poor he gets sacked one week into the season and Liverpool go on to win the title with Karius acting as player-manager. The point is their season doesn't depend on Klopp alone, it depends on the whole club.
I'm replying to the argument here that Klopp has to challenge or it's a failure, which i don't agree with if you're not in that school of thought then it's pointless replying to my posts. Mourinho spent a massive amount in his first season and didn't challenge at all. And with the bizarre argument i was replying to you saying "improved our league position from 6th to 2nd", it's not my argument it's yours.
I'd be happy with any trophy and as long as he makes top 4 and and we go deep into the cups i'll be happy, but different fans have different expectations.
Wish tea lady and chefs Step up this season to catch city. Can't depend on Jose and players alone.
Last season they really under performed.
Last season they really under performed.
Yeah, imagine how well Mourinho and the players could do if they could train in public parks and gyms, eat at fast foods and have their bodies looked after by public doctors once a week, while Woodward and the Glazers threaten to whithold their wages and call them all cnuts in public before every game
Getting riled up against rival fans is all part of the process of fully embracing the rivalry
All this talk about challenging, but what does it even mean? Is it being near City by new year, ending within 10 points of them or something else. I mean, considering how they blew everyone away last season and ended up with 25 more points than us, surely noone is expecting us to really be a challenger.
See what you're describing is a selling club and then comparing it to a top final-destination type club. Yes you bought players for cheap and then sold them in their prime. Big whoop.
There's a level of semantics and mental gymnastics going on in this thread that i haven't experienced before.
Christ, it make your head hurt.
Christ, it make your head hurt.
What are you exactly judging here? Speaking of net basis, United has far bigger net worth.
Oh man those net spend haters are infuriating.
Question to you, gross spend United fans: would your club be more successful if you wouldn't sell Ronaldo back in the days and played him all those years?
Because your current team with Ronaldo still in would have otherwise the same gross spend. So the performance is the same, and expectations as well, right? Barcelona with or without Neymar, same teams, right? They should have won the CL since they spent 300m or so.
Everton has spent more than most of the top 6 already, they should definitely challenge, right?
If you've bought a 2mil house it does matter whether it's your 3rd house or your new one, since the old one got sold?
Please stop this "he spent X so he must Y" crap.
Net spent is not the one and only statistics that defines how teams perform. But it is important in conjunction with other criteria to determine how club operates and what possibilities does it have.
Question to you, gross spend United fans: would your club be more successful if you wouldn't sell Ronaldo back in the days and played him all those years?
Because your current team with Ronaldo still in would have otherwise the same gross spend. So the performance is the same, and expectations as well, right? Barcelona with or without Neymar, same teams, right? They should have won the CL since they spent 300m or so.
Everton has spent more than most of the top 6 already, they should definitely challenge, right?
If you've bought a 2mil house it does matter whether it's your 3rd house or your new one, since the old one got sold?
Please stop this "he spent X so he must Y" crap.
Net spent is not the one and only statistics that defines how teams perform. But it is important in conjunction with other criteria to determine how club operates and what possibilities does it have.
How can net spend be bull if a squad is more expensive. That makes no sense?
Where does the money come from?
Buying players for 8.5 million and selling them for 140 million, or buying a bitey Suarez for 27 million and selling him for 80 million, or getting Sterling for buttons from QPR and selling him for 50 million.
In the main, Liverpool’s transfer strategy was to buy 22 to 23 years olds who were about to kick on, and paid less money for them than they would have been 2 years later.
Net spend matters when you don’t want to be in debt, and your income is less
UTD have lots of debt, but lots of income, and buy accordingly. Liverpool have had to do it a different way, and they have.
Net spend matters, in all walks of life and all businesses, football isn’t different.
Don’t forget within that, people like Ibrahimovic and the likes we’re being paid 350k to 400k per week. Sanchez also.
Throw wage bills in the pot, and UTD’s spend is in a different sphere in comparison.
Once you get Maguire on the books, you would have spent more and net spenders more, but who cares, you won’t beat City this year, and nor will Liverpool.
According to Liverpool fans logic, Klopp is worried about ManUtd instead of preparing for the season
Edit: That Liverpool fan is banned, so nevermind.
If he is happy about our transfers even better, but we know that it does not mean you win automatically whatever, said Lord Bucktooth
Typical Liverpool manager, getting his excuses in before the season has even begun.
Cliche every where, yet couldn't give a straight answer about whether there is expectation to win trophy
"I would never talk about Manchester United unless somebody asks me about it but I am polite enough to give an answer if somebody asks me."
Oh yes Jurgen, you talking about that offside goal for several months really put that point across.
"Jose can say what he wants. We have to deliver football our people like"
Maybe United fans will disagree with this too
Maybe United fans will disagree with this too
That attractive football should take priority above winning the league title or any form of silverware?
Yes, I disagree.
On the caf, it's been decided that is not so because reasons. Mainly "if I see a liverpool fan use net spend, such logic is obviously stupid and should be ridiculed." It's trumpian logic at times.
Is he cracking up before a ball has been kicked? Wow.