Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

TheLiverBird said:
Absolutely not in fairness

We have acquired some top top players since Klopp has arrived

This Window particularly has been excellent and we have really strengthened

I fully expect to see with what we have spent (or more so the quality of players we've bought), a Title challenge, clinching 4th and zero domestic trophies will be a disappointment, that would basically mean no League improvement after spending what? £170m this window

I don't "expect" us to win the Title, we certainly "could", but we should definitely be Challenging City, and yourselves for it this season :)
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This'd be the view of a lot on RAWK as well. Seems fair, in more or less the same way as Utd fans want more out of Jose isn't it?

Maybe the LFC fanbase would half-pretend to be happier with less when it's all over (say, 'an any trophy would be enough' scenario) - but I wouldn't think they're really starting from there having reached the CL Final
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Klopp hasn't won a meaningful trophy since 2012 and he's the best manager you could have? And Mourinho is the one is labelled past it. :lol: With the money you've spent this summer any sensible fan would be saying that you have to mount a serious title challenge this season or at least win a trophy but who am I kidding, no doubt the Liverpool fanbase will be happy with clinching 4th and they'll chalk it down as another season of progress and next will be your season etc.

EDIT: Good riddance to that guy.
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I wouldn’t count another season of 4th and not winning anything as progress, not after what we’ve spent. I wouldn’t be calling for Klopp to be sacked but I do expect some sort of progression this year.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Klopp hasn't won a meaningful trophy since 2012 and he's the best manager you could have? And Mourinho is the one is labelled past it. :lol: With the money you've spent this summer any sensible fan would be saying that you have to mount a serious title challenge this season or at least win a trophy but who am I kidding, no doubt the Liverpool fanbase will be happy with clinching 4th and they'll chalk it down as another season of progress and next will be your season etc.

EDIT: Good riddance to that guy.
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To be fair to Liverpool, that's actually true. Liverpool between 2012-16 (apart from the slippy season) were in such a state that no elite manager would consider them. Klopp is a near-elite manager who fancies himself as some Robin Hood rebel, taking Liverpool back to the top would appeal only to him.
 
This is a new low. He's saying even if they were in a fantasy dream world they'd still finish behind City. At least they were winning the fantasy crossbar and dodgy decisions league all these years.
 
Find the criticism of Klopp in here way OTT. I don't like the man, I think he gets away with a hell of a lot of nonsense on the touchline and he makes a ton of stupid excuses, but he's undeniably done a great job there. Rodgers left them in an awful situation (6-1 Stoke!!!) with a ton of awful players (Balotelli, Lambert, Markovic, Borini etc) that Klopp had to phase out. That takes time, especially since he took over mid-season, you can't fix a squad in dire need of transformation within a season. It took Pochettino a couple of years to properly clear out the trash that AVB left behind too, managers aren't super heroes and are limited in what they can achieve, you can't turn a bunch of average players in to worldies purely based on a 'system'.

Yes, he's spent money, but less than other teams who are up there and he had to sell in order to finance much of what he brought in. He's only recently started really spending the big bucks on the likes of Keita, VVD, Alisson etc, and yes it is now fair to judge him far more harshly. This is his team now, he's had backing and now needs to go out and win something, but you can't judge his success thus far on transfers he's only just made. He's done very well to transform an extremely average Liverpool team in to a very effective unit who are a solid top four team who also compete in the cups.

Reaching the CL final was a huge success, too. When was the last time an English team managed that, Chelsea in 2012? I'm not going to sit here and criticize him because they got beat by a Real Madrid side who are world class in nearly every position and win the tournament for fun. I can totally understand why Liverpool fans adore him despite the lack of trophies, they watch fantastic football nearly every week and have every reason to believe the trophies will come now that he's built his team.
 
This is shaping up to be a great new rivalry. Jose vs Pep and Jose vs Wenger had lost all the fire in the last few seasons. I actually think Jose and Pep are friends now. Jose vs Conte was good, but Conte is gone now.

Jose vs Klopp is where it's at. If Man City wasn't there, a proper title race between the two sides, ending in a controversial penalty to secure the league, would be one for the ages:drool:.

I can look around Klopp's comments about Ramos because he is clearly traumatized by him (the more he tells the world he is not, the more you know the opposite is true).

The thing about Madrid being lucky because Bale scored an overhead kick was dumb as feck, though. It was not Philippe Mexes pulling one out, it was Gareth fecking Bale. Most expensive player in the world between 2013 and 2016, POTY in England, 4 times CL winner, led Wales to a Top4 finish at the Euros. Clearly one of the most outstanding players of this generation, and it was lucky that he did that?

Still, Klopp is doing an outstanding job. No one can deny that. It is just nice to poke fun at his usual comments;)
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
This is his team now, he's had backing and now needs to go out and win something, but you can't judge his success thus far on transfers he's only just made. He's done very well to transform an extremely average Liverpool team in to a very effective unit who are a solid top four team who also compete in the cups.
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This. I find it ridiculous that people are criticising his record and using money spent as a reason for that criticism, even though some of those signings haven't even kicked a ball for us yet.

From the 09/10 season through to 14/15 (excluding 13/14) I've seen us play some dreadful stuff, lacking in any direction with some dreadful signings. I'd say Klopp is at least doing better than what his recent predecessors have managed. Rodgers did well in 13/14 but I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that Suarez was the main reason for that?
 
Klopper76 said:
This. I find it ridiculous that people are criticising his record and using money spent as a reason for that criticism, even though some of those signings haven't even kicked a ball for us yet.

From the 09/10 season through to 14/15 (excluding 13/14) I've seen us play some dreadful stuff, lacking in any direction with some dreadful signings. I'd say Klopp is at least doing better than what his recent predecessors have managed. Rodgers did well in 13/14 but I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that Suarez was the main reason for that?
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It's a bit weird. His 'big money signings' are Keita, Alisson, Fabinho and Van Djik. 3 of which haven't actually played yet and one of which only arrived in January, after losing your best player who had 7 goals and 6 assists before he left. He rightfully will be judged next season when he has all these players available, but before that he hasn't really spent all that much.

He's doing far better. Rodgers is a decent manager but I don't think he was ready for Liverpool yet and he handled losing Suarez horribly, leaving you with some dross in the squad. He also got very unfortunate with both losing Suarez and basically also losing Sturridge through serious injury issues, any club would struggle if their two biggest attacking threats were gone. Klopp had a ton of issues to fix and he's turned your squad around, I don't understand how anyone could say you haven't seriously progressed since he's taken over.
 
29th July 2010 we played the mighty FK Rabotnicki of Macedonia in a Europa League qualifier.

The team chosen by former tuna cup winner Roy Hodgson was
Cavallieri in goal.
A back four of Kelly Soto Skrtel and Agger
Midfield of Amoo,Spearing,Lucas and Johanovic.
With Aquilani playing behind Ngog.

A little bit of context for why we're all so upbeat.
 
Kapardin said:
To be fair to Liverpool, that's actually true. Liverpool between 2012-16 (apart from the slippy season) were in such a state that no elite manager would consider them. Klopp is a near-elite manager who fancies himself as some Robin Hood rebel, taking Liverpool back to the top would appeal only to him.
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Spot on. And with the brand of football he's giving us it's the best we could have hoped for. The fact we are now 'under pressure'to win things is mind blowing. Before we were just a laughable irrelevance.
 
Don Alfredo said:
This is shaping up to be a great new rivalry. Jose vs Pep and Jose vs Wenger had lost all the fire in the last few seasons. I actually think Jose and Pep are friends now. Jose vs Conte was good, but Conte is gone now.

Jose vs Klopp is where it's at. If Man City wasn't there, a proper title race between the two sides, ending in a controversial penalty to secure the league, would be one for the ages:drool:.

I can look around Klopp's comments about Ramos because he is clearly traumatized by him (the more he tells the world he is not, the more you know the opposite is true).

The thing about Madrid being lucky because Bale scored an overhead kick was dumb as feck, though. It was not Philippe Mexes pulling one out, it was Gareth fecking Bale. Most expensive player in the world between 2013 and 2016, POTY in England, 4 times CL winner, led Wales to a Top4 finish at the Euros. Clearly one of the most outstanding players of this generation, and it was lucky that he did that?

Still, Klopp is doing an outstanding job. No one can deny that. It is just nice to poke fun at his usual comments;)
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My way of looking at it now, seems like the rivalry is going up a gear should be tasty next year. Rational discussion be damned, let's just throw jibes. Deluded, arrogant, entitled.:lol::lol:
 
baby keith said:
29th July 2010 we played the mighty FK Rabotnicki of Macedonia in a Europa League qualifier.

The team chosen by former tuna cup winner Roy Hodgson was
Cavallieri in goal.
A back four of Kelly Soto Skrtel and Agger
Midfield of Amoo,Spearing,Lucas and Johanovic.
With Aquilani playing behind Ngog.

A little bit of context for why we're all so upbeat.
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Ah the Roy Hodgson error era at Liverpool. The signings of Jonjo Shelvey, Joe Cole, Brad Jones, Christian Poulsen, Paul Konchesky, Danny Wilson, Raul Meireles, Milan Jovanovic.
 
baby keith said:
29th July 2010 we played the mighty FK Rabotnicki of Macedonia in a Europa League qualifier.

The team chosen by former tuna cup winner Roy Hodgson was
Cavallieri in goal.
A back four of Kelly Soto Skrtel and Agger
Midfield of Amoo,Spearing,Lucas and Johanovic.
With Aquilani playing behind Ngog.

A little bit of context for why we're all so upbeat.
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Why would you possibly pick that game as a reference point? It was a competitive friendly to be very generous. Hence the line up.

Your line up 15 days later was;

Reina
Johnson
Carragher
Agger
Skrtel
Gerrard
Jovanovic
Masherano
Kuyt
Cole
Ngog

There's some dross in there but Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Gerrard, Mascherano would walk into your team right now.

I'm all for being positive, you're certainly in great shape going into the coming season but you've just done what all Liverpool fans are criticised for. These weird falsely created fantasy scenarios to use as evidence. You all know that it's nonsense.
 
Kapardin said:
How does this poetry garbage come naturally and identically to every Liverpool fan on social media, its like they all are one person or have telepathy.
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Much like the idolized Prophet Raphael the Good, Prophet Jurgen the German is to be worshipped for his many good deeds both past and present. For he shall bringeth glory, trophies and positive Net Spendeth. La.

Well, one day anyway.
 
Who the hell is Amoo? I don't remember anything about him, and I usually have a good memory of our pointless signings.
 
Schmiznurf said:
Klopp once again moaning about Ramos, he's fecking pathetic and I bet he stalks every ex girlfriend he has.

http://www.goal.com/en-om/news/win-...again-takes-aim-at-/t45nmu2wtdz51fyvh8x8k7gou
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“Many people will say that these things happen. But if that is the message we are sending to our children, that nothing is out of bounds and it’s all about winning, then I will be glad to leave this planet in 40 years."

Hahaha, sounds very similar to the Pogba quote. CafBet: Days until Klopp plays his comments down saying the planet has changed?
 
“Am I a good loser? No. But during our preparations we had to talk about Ramos because he had influenced the final the previous year with a dive and a red card [for Juan Cuadrado] against Juventus.

The game was 4-1 and in stoppage time. Did he really influence it that much with that act?

“Real Madrid have deserved to win the Champions League, nobody has ever said anything else. But do you have to have those situations with Ramos? No, you don’t.”

Well, shut up then.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
Ah the Roy Hodgson error era at Liverpool. The signings of Jonjo Shelvey, Joe Cole, Brad Jones, Christian Poulsen, Paul Konchesky, Danny Wilson, Raul Meireles, Milan Jovanovic.
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The Hodgson era was terrible, but Shelvey was signed by or under Benitez - just being accurate. And he was an OK signing, not great, but that's what you get sometimes when you sign 18 year olds. The rest of those were shocking though.
 
Whatever happened to the online petition Klopp and followers made to save the children anyways?
 
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