He has been "found out" without spending a penny and working with a side he inherited. Genius logic.
Clearly no point in trying to put any logic across here.A side he's doing worse with than Brendan Rodgers, the man he replaced. Unless you're one of those deluded enough to think their owners would be happy enough with him doing as shite as Brendan Rodgers because he hasn't spent money. They didn't sack Rodgers in October for Klopp to be just as bad. Get real.
And he had the entire January to spend. He brought a defender and proceeded to play him up top. The man's clueless.
Spot on!Clearly no point in trying to put any logic across here.
Simply replacing Mignolet should already make them a much stronger team.
I don't think Klopp was brought in for a quick fix. Yes the owners might have expected a slightly higher league position this year and some of the performances have been poor, but I like to think there is a hint of long term planning here. Look at Pochettino at Spurs. It's amazing what can be achieved when a manager is given time to work with a group of players.
At the very least Klopp needs a summer to work with the players before being written off. I'll admit that I had higher hopes for this season but I'm not going to write him off after five months.
Out of interest do any of you look at this Liverpool squad and really think it should be doing any better?
That I do agree with you on. Odd decision to say the least when you consider how bad Mignolet is.Yep. Giving him a new 5 year contract was clearly a fantastic idea and another giant step towards getting rid of him.
There is no evidence that he's building something special just yet. I think Fowler is just speaking as a fan right there and he's obviously hopeful it'll come to the point where Klopp works his magic like he did at Dortmund but the truth is, no one can guarantee us that right now. Carragher slated Moreno and Mignolet on social media after yesterday's defeat (rightfully so), saying Flanagan needs to come into the team (something I 100% agree with) and we need a new goalkeeper (agreed 100% again). If Klopp fixes the obvious holes in our squa this Summer, we could be on our way to build something special, yes, but for Fowler to say something like that right now is rather silly given our results since Klopp has come in.Fowler has come out saying that even though Liverpool has lost but he is still building something special. Now I know Klopp is a very good manager but what's the evidence of that?
Apart from his time at Dortmund, it wouldn't be harsh to say that he hasn't done anything great at Liverpool so far. Their winning record is more or less the same as it was under Brendan.
Yesterday also they were lucky that City forgot to finish their chances. It should've been 3-0 even before the 80th minute mark.
All this talk of giving him next season is laughable considering the fact that when Liverpool trashed Chelsea and City, all the talk was that Klopp has reinvigorated the club and they should now challenge for the title. Few bad results, and the onus is on Brendan again.
Your irrational hatred for him is preventing you from saying anything serious and/or objective about the matter, it's so sad really. Whatever makes you happy though!A side he's doing worse with than Brendan Rodgers, the man he replaced. Unless you're one of those deluded enough to think their owners would be happy enough with him doing as shite as Brendan Rodgers because he hasn't spent money. They didn't sack Rodgers in October for Klopp to be just as bad. Get real.
And he had the entire January to spend. He brought a defender and proceeded to play him up top. The man's clueless.
No, you are not underachieving I don't think. Judgement has to come next season and needless to say, I don't like him and hope he fails.Out of interest do any of you look at this Liverpool squad and really think it should be doing any better?
I don't think we'll spend more than £40-£50 million on a couple of players. I think a goal keeper and a striker will come in with the possibility of a winger but Markovic is due to come back from his loan. We've also got Grujic to come in. I think he'll be expected to play box to box based on interviews he's done about next season.No, you are not underachieving I don't think. Judgement has to come next season and needless to say, I don't like him and hope he fails.
Btw, how much do you reckon you'll spend in the summer?
It's neither anymore, rule has changed and if the winner of either cup is already in Europe, it goes to league position.did they secure europe with the cup final(assuming city will go in the CL) or is that just for the fa cup?
It's neither anymore, rule has changed and if the winner of either cup is already in Europe, it goes to league position.
Very true, or you could do the sensible thing and reserve judgment for the time being. To say it's been nothing but shite so far is over the top as well.We can only judge him for what he has done so far. Yes, another year in, it would be a better time. But, so far it has been nothing but shite for a coach who was lauded as the best around a few years back. And being a Liverpool manager, its fairly easy to dislike his eccentric self so far. Hard to see why many have some kind of a soft spot for him. Beats me.
Very true, or you could do the sensible thing and reserve judgment for the time being. To say it's been nothing but shite so far is over the top as well.
Like I said above, he's not a miracle worker. "Pretty average" is exactly what you'd expect from our fairly average squad, it took a few seasons at Dortmund as well before things really got going for them, I just hope he gets the time from our owners to build his own squad and change the culture at the club in general.Alright that's a bit over the top but It's been pretty average. No matter how many of you try to hide, but you were expecting better.
I actually think we'd be lower in the table if Rodgers was still around. He seemed to have given up towards the end.It's been a mixed bag for Klopp.
I won't deny that, at times, they seem to play really cohesive football, particularly against the bigger sides. Their performances against Chelsea and City (league) were excellent, and even in the LC final, although they should have been well out of the game in normal time, some of their ease of finding a team mate, and quickly, was once again impressive. So that's the positive take-away of Klopp's time at Liverpool. That, just as it was at Dortmund, the players find each other very easily and with zip to the passing. That leaves defences unsettled and can be something to really build on.
On the other hand, despite that positive, the rest has all so far been a bit of a let-down. Let's be clear here, while every manager is appointed for a reasonably decent-ish term, they got rid of Rodgers because they really believed top 4 was possible this season. Rodgers challenged for top 4 last season, and they probably would have done so again this season without actually getting in. That decision, so far, has not been vindicated as Klopp as done even worse than Rodgers. They wont sack him for it of course, as that would be madness, but it's going to put a lot of pressure on him next season. If he doesn't get top 4 next season alarm bells could start ringing. I'm sure he isn't as deluded as Moyes was expecting 6 years to carry out his project at his own pace.
We were pretty much in the same position after Moyes and got ourselves a manager who had won this and that in x amount of time at club y and z. Look at us now though, a manager's history don't mean shite really.Like I said above, he's not a miracle worker. "Pretty average" is exactly what you'd expect from our fairly average squad, it took a few seasons at Dortmund as well before things really got going for them, I just hope he gets the time from our owners to build his own squad and change the culture at the club in general.
I personally hoped he'd already have us challenging for top four this season but it was alsays going to be difficult to achieve that. Our home results have definitely let us down so far. I'm still optimistic though.
Jurgen Klopp has now lost a cup final in four successive seasons as a manager.
Disagree completely.We were pretty much in the same position after Moyes and got ourselves a manager who had won this and that in x amount of time at club y and z. Look at us now though, a manager's history don't mean shite really.
Why completely?Disagree completely.
Possible. But it seemed that way last season as well before Liverpool caught us and genuinely looked like overtaking us (before losing to us at Anfield). And I do think he would gotten more out of Benteke.I actually think we'd be lower in the table if Rodgers was still around. He seemed to have given up towards the end.
You make a valid point about the top four though. I have no doubt that Klopp was brought in with the intention of trying to get us top four, and that's not really worked out like the club would have hoped.
If results go against us we could find ourselves in 13th this time next week so we need to find some form. Klopp needs a win tomorrow because I get the impression it won't come at Palace on Sunday.
Does anyone else think he is forcing himself to have fun at Pool? It doesn't look like his usual self when he was at Dortmund. His reactions there were genuine. He is laughing sometimes when there is nothing to laugh about. His reactions just seem over the top for me.
I think that was just a sitcom moment, hence I would not overestimate it. He could go batshit crazy in the Bundesliga as well.Does anyone else think he is forcing himself to have fun at Pool? It doesn't look like his usual self when he was at Dortmund. His reactions there were genuine. He is laughing sometimes when there is nothing to laugh about. His reactions just seem over the top for me.
I just think he is a weird guy. The sentimental look on his face after Lallana scored was just bizarre, like his child had just spoken their first word or something.
What he definitely is already doing better than Rodgers is smashing the top teams.
What he definitely is already doing better than Rodgers is smashing the top teams.
