Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

PickledRed said:
My biggest problem with José is a big hypocrite but acts like he is some saint. All top managers and professionals are hypocrite but many don't act like they are saint aka Klopp, Rafa. He is the king of contradiction. Says one thing and does the other.


Literally, fans can't see beyond their nose to smell bias.

In short, we love to see in rivals what can't see in our own.
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But what you said doesn't make any sense. Klopp does act like a saint.Jose has been criticized time and time again, when has klopp ever criticized. Klopp says he doesn't like to talk about other clubs yet in every interview or press conference he has something to say. He goes and bullies refs but it's no wrong because he is klopp and he can do that. He says he will never buy a player costing insane amount and will consider quiting football when it's all about money and yet he goes to bid £70m odd for keita and £60 m for vvd. He moaned when we signed pogba but is not moaning when he does the same (but fails). That is why he is the king of contradiction

Klopp should talk less about other clubs for a change and concentrate on improving his club. Saying we played sevilla they played ajax doesn't make any sense when the question he was asked wasn't even remotely related to what he answered.
 
TheBarnacle said:
Shit analogy aside, when you try to make the point "Sevilla was so lucky they didn't meet us, we were so much better than Liverpool that season", it's very ironic that the same Liverpool that you apparently were so much better than knocked you out. I was not bragging, I was merely pointing out the flawed logic in the argument.
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Wasn't making United's point. I was pointing out what Ajax will be thinking.

We had a better season than you in 2015/2016 season also. We finished three positions higher in the league and won a cup by winning a final as we tend to do these days.
 
Ajax would've definitely had a better chance vs Liverpool. United simply has great players for Mourinho's style of play, I think every team in Europe would have a hard time beating United + Mourinho in a final. I would also like to add that bashing another team just to make United feel 'bad?¿' is pretty feking pathetic.
 
PickledRed said:
My biggest problem with José is a big hypocrite but acts like he is some saint. All top managers and professionals are hypocrite but many don't act like they are saint aka Klopp, Rafa. He is the king of contradiction. Says one thing and does the other.


Literally, fans can't see beyond their nose to smell bias.

In short, we love to see in rivals what can't see in our own.
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How original. Enjoy your Klopp train while it lasts, this kraut is seriously the most detestable cnut in football and I like to see how long more he goes without winning any silverware and things start to go pear-shaped for him and your club. Even Rodgers and Benitez weren't that loathsome and I thought I'd never find someone more dislikeable than Rodgers.
 
MullerUtd said:
How original. Enjoy your Klopp train while it lasts, this kraut is seriously the most detestable cnut in football and I like to see how long more he goes without winning any silverware and things start to go pear-shaped for him and your club. Even Rodgers and Benitez weren't that loathsome and I thought I'd never find someone more dislikeable than Rodgers.
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Hmmm. That's really great stuff.
 
MullerUtd said:
How original. Enjoy your Klopp train while it lasts, this kraut is seriously the most detestable cnut in football and I like to see how long more he goes without winning any silverware and things start to go pear-shaped for him and your club. Even Rodgers and Benitez weren't that loathsome and I thought I'd never find someone more dislikeable than Rodgers.
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Wow. There are plenty of figures in football more reprehensible than Klopp. He is no angel and can certainly be aggravating at times, but there's nothing to suggest that he is not a decent person aside from the game.
 
Am I the only one who finds him really entertaining?

He is a bit like a paranoid ADD/ADHD kid...
 
MullerUtd said:
How original. Enjoy your Klopp train while it lasts, this kraut is seriously the most detestable cnut in football and I like to see how long more he goes without winning any silverware and things start to go pear-shaped for him and your club. Even Rodgers and Benitez weren't that loathsome and I thought I'd never find someone more dislikeable than Rodgers.
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They'll probably protest to keep Jurgen his job if things start looking bad for him. :lol:
 
Donk87 said:
It's not racism, it's xenophobia.
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Possibly.
Xenophobics have a fear of foreigners. Racists attribute and associate negative traits to certain nationalities and cultures. Of those two I'd suggest using a pejorative term to add weight to a vitriolic diatribe is racist; the use of the word is designed to specifically target Klopp's race as a means of denigrating his character.

Either way, it's uncalled for.
 
PickledRed said:
Racists attribute and associate negative traits to certain nationalities and cultures.
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This is getting a bit off topic but I'm pretty sure that racists attribute and associate traits to certain races/ethnicities, and hence the term.

PickledRed said:
Either way, it's uncalled for.
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Agreed. So I'll just call Klopp a melodramatic whining cnut instead ;).
 
Jose was a bit whiny until he got the team playing a bit more 'solid'. Klopp was loveable & high-larious until his team started losing a few games. Klopp has got away with his stuff so far.

Klopp is easily the most massive gobshite of the two, currently & for a while now.
 
Lord Megadrive said:


Pashuuun!!
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You do know this is why he's very popular. His manner is very endearing to many people across football. He's extremely popular in Germany because of his boyish enthusiasm and gregarious ways. Not for everyone but he's a liked figure in the main.

I get that a rival fan base won't take to him, and find him annoying, etc. That's kind of the fun of being tribal. But what kind of amuses / puzzles me is the way certain posters declare, with absolute certainty, that he's a terrible individual and assume that everyone agrees as if it's a perfectly reasonable position to take.

All fans do it, but this thread is possibly RedCaf's biggest example of it. It's the blinkered way in which a rival fan will filter their 'hatred' through a funnel of confirmation bias in order to suit their pre-existing prejudice. Behaviour and comments are over analysed and offered as 'proof' of something or other.

What's more, when confronted with the idea that they're being blinded by prejudice and tribalism, they argue that it's different with [insert name], because blah blah blah.

Love is blind, but so is dislike.
 
PickledRed said:
You do know this is why he's very popular. His manner is very endearing to many people across football. He's extremely popular in Germany because of his boyish enthusiasm and gregarious ways. Not for everyone but he's a liked figure in the main.

I get that a rival fan base won't take to him, and find him annoying, etc. That's kind of the fun of being tribal. But what kind of amuses / puzzles me is the way certain posters declare, with absolute certainty, that he's a terrible individual and assume that everyone agrees as if it's a perfectly reasonable position to take.

All fans do it, but this thread is possibly RedCaf's biggest example of it. It's the blinkered way in which a rival fan will filter their 'hatred' through a funnel of confirmation bias in order to suit their pre-existing prejudice. Behaviour and comments are over analysed and offered as 'proof' of something or other.

What's more, when confronted with the idea that they're being blinded by prejudice and tribalism, they argue that it's different with [insert name], because blah blah blah.

Love is blind, but so is dislike.
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Eh what? I'm sure you don't like mourinho either even though mourinho is also a very nice human being responsible for many philanthropical activities. Most people are judging him based on things he does related to football and that alone.
 
PickledRed said:
You do know this is why he's very popular. His manner is very endearing to many people across football. He's extremely popular in Germany because of his boyish enthusiasm and gregarious ways. Not for everyone but he's a liked figure in the main.

I get that a rival fan base won't take to him, and find him annoying, etc. That's kind of the fun of being tribal. But what kind of amuses / puzzles me is the way certain posters declare, with absolute certainty, that he's a terrible individual and assume that everyone agrees as if it's a perfectly reasonable position to take.

All fans do it, but this thread is possibly RedCaf's biggest example of it. It's the blinkered way in which a rival fan will filter their 'hatred' through a funnel of confirmation bias in order to suit their pre-existing prejudice. Behaviour and comments are over analysed and offered as 'proof' of something or other.

What's more, when confronted with the idea that they're being blinded by prejudice and tribalism, they argue that it's different with [insert name], because blah blah blah.

Love is blind, but so is dislike.
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I have no idea what type of person that Klopp is in real life, the persona that he potrays to the public is what people go off. I didnt mind him at Dortmund maybe that's because we didn't get it constantly but, you're right because he manages you lot I will take the piss because that's what we do :lol:
 
PickledRed said:
You do know this is why he's very popular. His manner is very endearing to many people across football. He's extremely popular in Germany because of his boyish enthusiasm and gregarious ways. Not for everyone but he's a liked figure in the main.

I get that a rival fan base won't take to him, and find him annoying, etc. That's kind of the fun of being tribal. But what kind of amuses / puzzles me is the way certain posters declare, with absolute certainty, that he's a terrible individual and assume that everyone agrees as if it's a perfectly reasonable position to take.

All fans do it, but this thread is possibly RedCaf's biggest example of it. It's the blinkered way in which a rival fan will filter their 'hatred' through a funnel of confirmation bias in order to suit their pre-existing prejudice. Behaviour and comments are over analysed and offered as 'proof' of something or other.

What's more, when confronted with the idea that they're being blinded by prejudice and tribalism, they argue that it's different with [insert name], because blah blah blah.

Love is blind, but so is dislike.
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When he first became Liverpool manager many on here were gutted because they liked him as a person, and even early on admitted they find it hard to dislike him, which irritated some on here. However, in time he has shown a different side which has for the time being been ignored in the media so far. A bit like Rooney not being shit
 
AshRK said:
My biggest problem with klopp is a big hypocrite but acts like he is some saint. All top managers and professionals are hypocrite but many don't act like they are saint aka jose, sir alex. He is the king of contradiction. Says one thing and does the other.
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Ha! Like Jose doesn't contradict himself! And who can forget Ferguson tag-teaming with Fat Sam and saying Rafa shrugging after an Alonso goal was 'beyond the pale'.

montpelier said:
Jose was a bit whiny until he got the team playing a bit more 'solid'. Klopp was loveable & high-larious until his team started losing a few games. Klopp has got away with his stuff so far.

Klopp is easily the most massive gobshite of the two, currently & for a while now.
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clarkydaz said:
When he first became Liverpool manager many on here were gutted because they liked him as a person, and even early on admitted they find it hard to dislike him, which irritated some on here. However, in time he has shown a different side which has for the time being been ignored in the media so far. A bit like Rooney not being shit
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Klopp's no angel, and I don't think I've ever heard him refer to himself as a saint, or even act like one. What he is is an experienced, successful, hard-nosed manager, with all the annoying traits, including contradictions, that come with that, Just like Jose, Pep, Wenger etc.

What's going on here, it seems, particularly in the posts I've quoted, is a sense that it's just not fair that Jose's negative traits get picked up on more than Klopp's. Firstly, I would say that Jose is a far more disagreeable person than Klopp, but in any case, to dislike someone because you believe the press don't report on their negatives as much as your manager's is childish. Blame the press and the pundits if it's that important. Personally, I think any adult fan who whinges over unfair treatment from the likes of the Sun or Alan fecking Shearer needs looking at.
 
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ObelOitment Fungentula said:
Ha! Like Jose doesn't contradict himself! And who can forget Ferguson tag-teaming with Fat Sam and saying Rafa shrugging after an Alonso goal was 'beyond the pale'.

Klopp's no angel, and I don't think I've ever heard him refer to himself as a saint, or even act like one. What he is is an experienced, successful, hard-nosed manager, with all the annoying traits, including contradictions, that come with that, Just like Jose, Pep, Wenger etc.

What's going on here, it seems, particularly in the posts I've quoted, is a sense that it's just not fair that Jose's negative traits get picked up on more than Klopp's. Firstly, I would say that Jose is a far more disagreeable person than Klopp, but in any case, to dislike someone because you believe the press don't report on their negatives as much as your manager's is childish. Blame the press and the pundits if it's that important. Personally, I think any adult fan who whinges over unfair treatment from the likes of the Sun or Alan fecking Shearer needs looking at.
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Fair enough, you got me there. I believe everything I read in 'The Sun' & I do form most of my footy opinions based on what Alan Shearer says.
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
What's going on here, it seems, particularly in the posts I've quoted, is a sense that it's just not fair that Jose's negative traits get picked up on more than Klopp's. Firstly, I would say that Jose is a far more disagreeable person than Klopp, but in any case, to dislike someone because you believe the press don't report on their negatives as much as your manager's is childish. Blame the press and the pundits if it's that important. Personally, I think any adult fan who whinges over unfair treatment from the likes of the Sun or Alan fecking Shearer needs looking at.
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Jose is certainly a more unlikeable character than Klopp. Its not childish to speak out when Jose gets banned for kicking a water bottle yet Klopp chews the 4th official every game scott free. Nobody is asking Klopp to take pitiful jabs at United unprovoked either, fans will naturally react on it
 
Jose is a person who would probably do anything - including personally shaming someone - to win a football match. While that's a massive character flaw, as a human being - that's what sets him apart as a winner. His success across countries and leagues is unquestionable.

Klopp on the other hand pretends to be 'holier than thou' and therein lies the problem. Being honest, I was enamoured by him at Dortmund, and even attributed his troubles there as a one-off event. After joining Liverpool, he suddenly became this deluded personality - blaming everyone but himself, not giving other teams any credit and in general fitting in very nicely with the legacy Benitez and Dalglish had left behind. And all of this while actually not winning anything noticeable and choking in every final he has taken his team to.

Yes, overall, their football has improved under him. They look threatening when on song and probably have a better attacking engine than United at the moment. That does nothing to overwrite the bollocks that Klopp spews in the media, specially around the "offside" and "Ajax" comments. FFS, I have never heard SAF harping on about the disallowed Giggs goal the season we lost it by a single point. He just went along and tried to win it back.
 
PickledRed said:
You do know this is why he's very popular. His manner is very endearing to many people across football. He's extremely popular in Germany because of his boyish enthusiasm and gregarious ways. Not for everyone but he's a liked figure in the main.

I get that a rival fan base won't take to him, and find him annoying, etc. That's kind of the fun of being tribal. But what kind of amuses / puzzles me is the way certain posters declare, with absolute certainty, that he's a terrible individual and assume that everyone agrees as if it's a perfectly reasonable position to take.

All fans do it, but this thread is possibly RedCaf's biggest example of it. It's the blinkered way in which a rival fan will filter their 'hatred' through a funnel of confirmation bias in order to suit their pre-existing prejudice. Behaviour and comments are over analysed and offered as 'proof' of something or other.

What's more, when confronted with the idea that they're being blinded by prejudice and tribalism, they argue that it's different with [insert name], because blah blah blah.

Love is blind, but so is dislike.
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Nice speech but it's clear Liverpool fans have a huge issue if everyone else doesn't buy into the Klopp love in.

You especially have an issue if anyone criticises this idiot and then start saying "bbbbut... Mourinho is worse etc". We come in here to talk about Klopp/Liverpool, stop comparing our views on him against the perception of other managers.

I disliked Klopp from eary on. He may be a decent manager but he's an attention seeking hypocrite, who belittles his fellow professions and gets a free ride from the media. feck Jurgen Klopp.
 
TheBarnacle said:
Ah yea, that's the Mourinho quote, and I agree there was no digs from his side, but I am curious to the question Klopp actually responded to. I am pretty sure they didn't read him Mourinho's whole interview. Unnecessary nonetheless.
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Is the @TheBarnacle Barney?
 
clarkydaz said:
Jose is certainly a more unlikeable character than Klopp. Its not childish to speak out when Jose gets banned for kicking a water bottle yet Klopp chews the 4th official every game scott free. Nobody is asking Klopp to take pitiful jabs at United unprovoked either, fans will naturally react on it
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It's childish when you hold how the media reacts to these incidents against the manager/player - as I said in the post above.

Subho611 said:
Jose is a person who would probably do anything - including personally shaming someone - to win a football match. While that's a massive character flaw, as a human being - that's what sets him apart as a winner. His success across countries and leagues is unquestionable.

Klopp on the other hand pretends to be 'holier than thou' and therein lies the problem. Being honest, I was enamoured by him at Dortmund, and even attributed his troubles there as a one-off event. After joining Liverpool, he suddenly became this deluded personality - blaming everyone but himself, not giving other teams any credit and in general fitting in very nicely with the legacy Benitez and Dalglish had left behind. And all of this while actually not winning anything noticeable and choking in every final he has taken his team to.

Yes, overall, their football has improved under him. They look threatening when on song and probably have a better attacking engine than United at the moment. That does nothing to overwrite the bollocks that Klopp spews in the media, specially around the "offside" and "Ajax" comments. FFS, I have never heard SAF harping on about the disallowed Giggs goal the season we lost it by a single point. He just went along and tried to win it back.
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There you go again, claiming that Klopp pretends to be this or that (even using quotation marks), then using evidence that he's not to lay into him!

And I can't say I'm surprised to see a Utd fan suddenly notice a delusional aspect to someone's personality when they sign for your traditional rivals!

As long as he continues to play good football and has us competing I'll back him and couldn't care less if he's contradicted himself at some point. And I'm sure the same goes for most Utd fans and Jose.
 
untitled_6899 said:
Nice speech but it's clear Liverpool fans have a huge issue if everyone else doesn't buy into the Klopp love in.

You especially have an issue if anyone criticises this idiot and then start saying "bbbbut... Mourinho is worse etc". We come in here to talk about Klopp/Liverpool, stop comparing our views on him against the perception of other managers.

I disliked Klopp from eary on. He may be a decent manager but he's an attention seeking hypocrite, who belittles his fellow professions and gets a free ride from the media. feck Jurgen Klopp.
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Surely these complaints about managers have to be taken in context? I mean, it's one thing to moan about a managers behaviour, but when that moaner also defends the same (or worse) behaviour in their own manger then it's right to comment on that. If you don't like hypocrisy or attention-seeking behaviour then I have to assume you also don't like the behaviour of your own manager, comment on that in other threads, and pull up utd fans who attack Klopp for these traits whilst ignoring/defending Jose on the same charge. 'Cos otherwise you'd be a hypocrite yourself.
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
It's childish when you hold how the media reacts to these incidents against the manager/player - as I said in the post above.
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It's not just the media, it's the FA, too. Why should your manager get away with his abusive behaviour towards officials, while other managers get a sideline ban for less?
He's responsible for his behaviour and should be held accountable like other managers are.
Nothing childish in wanting fairness.
 
untitled_6899 said:
Nice speech but it's clear Liverpool fans have a huge issue if everyone else doesn't buy into the Klopp love in.

You especially have an issue if anyone criticises this idiot and then start saying "bbbbut... Mourinho is worse etc". We come in here to talk about Klopp/Liverpool, stop comparing our views on him against the perception of other managers.

I disliked Klopp from eary on. He may be a decent manager but he's an attention seeking hypocrite, who belittles his fellow professions and gets a free ride from the media. feck Jurgen Klopp.
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Everybody who has quoted my post has effectively supported precisely what I've argued.
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
It's childish when you hold how the media reacts to these incidents against the manager/player - as I said in the post above.



There you go again, claiming that Klopp pretends to be this or that (even using quotation marks), then using evidence that he's not to lay into him!

And I can't say I'm surprised to see a Utd fan suddenly notice a delusional aspect to someone's personality when they sign for your traditional rivals!

As long as he continues to play good football and has us competing I'll back him and couldn't care less if he's contradicted himself at some point. And I'm sure the same goes for most Utd fans and Jose.
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No, why can't Liverpool supporters take these comments in isolation? People aren't saying Mourinho is a saint compared to him etc, they are making observations about their view of Klopp.

When it doesn't match that of Liverpool supporters or the media then they bring other managers into the equation. It's a tactic used to deflect attention away from this gobshite.
 
Sad Chris said:
It's not just the media, it's the FA, too. Why should your manager get away with his abusive behaviour towards officials, while other managers get a sideline ban for less?
He's responsible for his behaviour and should be held accountable like other managers are.
Nothing childish in wanting fairness.
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Then blame the FA too! Jeez, it's actually pretty sad to see people I assume are adults defending a position whereby they dislike someone because others (press/FA) are supposedly treating them better than others.
 
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