Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

PickledRed said:
You do know this is why he's very popular. His manner is very endearing to many people across football. He's extremely popular in Germany because of his boyish enthusiasm and gregarious ways. Not for everyone but he's a liked figure in the main.

I get that a rival fan base won't take to him, and find him annoying, etc. That's kind of the fun of being tribal. But what kind of amuses / puzzles me is the way certain posters declare, with absolute certainty, that he's a terrible individual and assume that everyone agrees as if it's a perfectly reasonable position to take.

All fans do it, but this thread is possibly RedCaf's biggest example of it. It's the blinkered way in which a rival fan will filter their 'hatred' through a funnel of confirmation bias in order to suit their pre-existing prejudice. Behaviour and comments are over analysed and offered as 'proof' of something or other.

What's more, when confronted with the idea that they're being blinded by prejudice and tribalism, they argue that it's different with [insert name], because blah blah blah.

Love is blind, but so is dislike.
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You're missing the point of the video, my pickled friend.

For the vast majority of the human race, scoring a goal against Norwich City does not require a show of passion in any form whatsoever. Unless, of course, you are an associate of Liverpool football club, where celebration of mediocrity is a common occurrence. The video on show is a direct representation of this, incorporating precisely how we United fans feel about your club.

View the video again, witness Klopp's golden brown locks as they flow effortlessly in perfect syncronizationwith the cheesy 80's background music. Absorb the lopsided grin, all but falling from his face. Note the bald guy's double firstpump, or curtains guy with arms raised aloft. Watch the subtle mini dance Klopp performs as he approaches his increasingly jubilant players. The passion, the love for the club, the dedication to celebration, the winning of the Norwich City cup. Liverpool FC in all it's glory right there in one 30 second video.

Hatred? God no. We love Liverpool. The seemingly neverending line of funnies that come out of RAWK are a gift from the heavens.
 
clarkydaz said:
yes again ill point out, Alan Shearer and the Sun don't ban managers for whats deemed poor behaviour
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The FA do - which begs the question why would anyone hold that against Klopp, unless this is the beginning of another Redcafe grand conspiracy where Klopp actually runs the FA.
 
Random Task said:
You're missing the point of the video, my pickled friend.

For the vast majority of the human race, scoring a goal against Norwich City does not require a show of passion in any form whatsoever.

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An extraordinary statement. A 95th minute winner in a 5-4 game shouldn't prompt "passion"? Do you even like football?
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
There you go again, claiming that Klopp pretends to be this or that (even using quotation marks), then using evidence that he's not to lay into him!

And I can't say I'm surprised to see a Utd fan suddenly notice a delusional aspect to someone's personality when they sign for your traditional rivals!

As long as he continues to play good football and has us competing I'll back him and couldn't care less if he's contradicted himself at some point. And I'm sure the same goes for most Utd fans and Jose.
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I haven't gone again, this is the first time I have said it. Also, no need to be surprised as I have seen this side of his character only after he joined Liverpool. FFS, blaming the wind for his failures?

As to the bolded part - no the same doesn't go. United has some values which nobody can go against - including Jose. If he does, I am sure he will lose the broader fan base. But I guess it is too hard to expect that from fans of a club that openly supported and egged on a racist. Made him into a cult hero and sang songs in his praise.
 
Is there anything at all that does not offend Liverpool or their fans? Wasn't too long ago their fans and the club itself had no problems in lying through their teeth and giving Evra tons of grief for being actually racially abused. Utterly vile and detestable club with a complete gobshite for a manager.
 
Random Task said:
You're missing the point of the video, my pickled friend.

For the vast majority of the human race, scoring a goal against Norwich City does not require a show of passion in any form whatsoever. Unless, of course, you are an associate of Liverpool football club, where celebration of mediocrity is a common occurrence. The video on show is a direct representation of this, incorporating precisely how we United fans feel about your club.

View the video again, witness Klopp's golden brown locks as they flow effortlessly in perfect syncronizationwith the cheesy 80's background music. Absorb the lopsided grin, all but falling from his face. Note the bald guy's double firstpump, or curtains guy with arms raised aloft. Watch the subtle mini dance Klopp performs as he approaches his increasingly jubilant players. The passion, the love for the club, the dedication to celebration, the winning of the Norwich City cup. Liverpool FC in all it's glory right there in one 30 second video.

Hatred? God no. We love Liverpool. The seemingly neverending line of funnies that come out of RAWK are a gift from the heavens.
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also when he's waving his players towards himself - :D, #AllAboutTheKlopp
 
untitled_6899 said:
No, why can't Liverpool supporters take these comments in isolation? People aren't saying Mourinho is a saint compared to him etc, they are making observations about their view of Klopp.

When it doesn't match that of Liverpool supporters or the media then they bring other managers into the equation. It's a tactic used to deflect attention away from this gobshite.
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Why should any fan have to take complaints about their manager (or players) from rival fans in isolation, when those same fans are ignoring or defending the same behaviour in their own manager/players? It's completely right and natural that someone is going to say ('hang on a minute...').

Random Task said:
You're missing the point of the video, my pickled friend.

For the vast majority of the human race, scoring a goal against Norwich City does not require a show of passion in any form whatsoever. Unless, of course, you are an associate of Liverpool football club, where celebration of mediocrity is a common occurrence. The video on show is a direct representation of this, incorporating precisely how we United fans feel about your club.

View the video again, witness Klopp's golden brown locks as they flow effortlessly in perfect syncronizationwith the cheesy 80's background music. Absorb the lopsided grin, all but falling from his face. Note the bald guy's double firstpump, or curtains guy with arms raised aloft. Watch the subtle mini dance Klopp performs as he approaches his increasingly jubilant players. The passion, the love for the club, the dedication to celebration, the winning of the Norwich City cup. Liverpool FC in all it's glory right there in one 30 second video.

Hatred? God no. We love Liverpool. The seemingly neverending line of funnies that come out of RAWK are a gift from the heavens.
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So you claim to speak on behalf of all Utd fans? Interesting. I'd always liked to believe you had your own views. Indeed, one of the reasons I use this site is because, despite the tribalism in threads like this one, you seem to have pretty objective and individual viewpoints. And when I say 'you' I mean other Utd fans.
 
It seems the go to response from Liverpool fans when King Klopp is questioned is to throw the childish 'well Jose did this though' whilst never actually dissecting the valid criticism.

I'd be a tad embarrassed if the manager of United continued to bemoan a goal that should/shouldn't have been and randomly harped on about Liverpool at every given opportunity.
 
Subho611 said:
I haven't gone again, this is the first time I have said it. Also, no need to be surprised as I have seen this side of his character only after he joined Liverpool. FFS, blaming the wind for his failures?

As to the bolded part - no the same doesn't go. United has some values which nobody can go against - including Jose. If he does, I am sure he will lose the broader fan base. But I guess it is too hard to expect that from fans of a club that openly supported and egged on a racist. Made him into a cult hero and sang songs in his praise.
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And what values of LFC (or any big club) do you think Klopp has gone against? Seriously.

A pretty cheap dig about the fanbase and the club supporting a racist. As you should know, the club, and most fans, including me, thought the conclusions presented in the report weren't consistent with the evidence presented during the hearing. I think the T-shirts thing was a stupid thing to do. My own view was that we should've contested the FA's findings.
 
PickledRed said:
An extraordinary statement. A 95th minute winner in a 5-4 game shouldn't prompt "passion"? Do you even like football?
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There is passion and then there is pashuun. Klopp leans toward the latter.

Don't care what that goal stood for, Klopp, at least in my eyes, made himself look a right tit.

You don't think he overdid the celebrations somewhat? It was Norwich City for god's sake :p
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
And what values of LFC (or any big club) do you think Klopp has gone against? Seriously.

A pretty cheap dig about the fanbase and the club supporting a racist. As you should know, the club, and most fans, including me, thought the conclusions presented in the report weren't consistent with the evidence presented during the hearing. I think the T-shirts thing was a stupid thing to do. My own view was that we should've contested the FA's findings.
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You are joking, of course?
 
TheReligion said:
It seems the go to response from Liverpool fans when King Klopp is questioned is to throw the childish 'well Jose did this though' whilst never actually dissecting the valid criticism.

I'd be a tad embarrassed if the manager of United continued to bemoan a goal that should/shouldn't have been and randomly harped on about Liverpool at every given opportunity.
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Random Task said:
There is passion and then there is pashuun. Klopp leans toward the latter.

Don't care what that goal stood for, Klopp, at least in my eyes, made himself look a right tit.

You don't think he overdid the celebrations somewhat? It was Norwich City for god's sake :p
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You must have been cringing like feck when, during the Europa League Cup presentation, Jose corrected the players who were using two fingers for two cup wins, who'd obviously forgotten the Charity Shield win.

Random Task said:
You are joking, of course?
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No, but then I read the report in its entirety, not just the summary from Utd fans on here. Suarez was right to be banned for what he admitted to (one racially abusive term), but the rest of it had absolutely no basis in fact. It was purely a case of taking Evra's (inconsistent) word over Suarez's.
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
You must have been cringing like feck when, during the Europa League Cup presentation, Jose corrected the players who were using two fingers for two cup wins, who'd obviously forgotten the Charity Shield win.



No, but then I read the report in its entirety, not just the summary from Utd fans on here. Suarez was right to be banned for what he admitted to (one racially abusive term), but the rest of it had absolutely no basis in fact. It was purely a case of taking Evra's (inconsistent) word over Suarez's.
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My memory of that is that Suarez's defence was 'I used the term but only as a friendly gesture because we use it so in Uruguay'?
 
prath92 said:
My memory of that is that Suarez's defence was 'I used the term but only as a friendly gesture'.
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Yeah, he probably said to him hola negro and thought it's perfectly all right cause they do it like that in Uruguay.
 
I wish Ajax come out with a statement saying they wish they played Liverpool instead of us. :lol: I wonder how would Liverpool fans feel about this.
It's clear that Jose and United have got into his head as he always seems to talk about us, making cheap jibe at any opportunity, even when the question he's being asked is not even remotely similar to what he answered. Their worst form came just after when we scored a late equalizer and draw with them last season. Imagine if we actually beat them? The melt-down from Klopp would be hilarious.

He's so fecking disrespectful, small-time and distasteful to come up with this kind of statement. You can only beat what is in front of you and it's not like Ajax just fluked their way to the final. They beat a decent Schalke team in the quarterfinal and a very good Lyon team in the semi-final. He's just so bitter that he lost all the finals Mourinho won with us. He's a perennial bottler in finals while Jose is a serial winner. If we still had SAF or a younger Jose, I have no doubt that they would start their mind games with him like calling him a voyeur or a hypocrite. A pity Jose seems very mellow now.

How poetic justice would it be if Ajax and Liverpool meet in the Champions League group stage and Ajax beat them on the last group day match to qualify in second place ahead of them.
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
A pretty cheap dig about the fanbase and the club supporting a racist. As you should know, the club, and most fans, including me, thought the conclusions presented in the report weren't consistent with the evidence presented during the hearing
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Is that why your club flat out lied in the initial statement on the official website (lapped up the deluded masses of course) and have never apologized for it? Your club is utterly vile. Deal with it.
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
You must have been cringing like feck when, during the Europa League Cup presentation, Jose corrected the players who were using two fingers for two cup wins, who'd obviously forgotten the Charity Shield win.



No, but then I read the report in its entirety, not just the summary from Utd fans on here. Suarez was right to be banned for what he admitted to (one racially abusive term), but the rest of it had absolutely no basis in fact. It was purely a case of taking Evra's (inconsistent) word over Suarez's.
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One minute you're writing a post bemoaning us for calling Suarez a racist, then in the next post you are freely acknowledging the fact that Suarez, by his own admission no less, racially abused Evra. I'm confused and it would appear that you are too.

Let's just get this established first, is Suarez a racist pig or not?
 
TheBiggest said:
I don't get the fascination.

Klopp hasn't won anything of note as a manager for over half a decade. What's the big deal with this guy, why are fans of other clubs so fascinated? I understand Liverpool fans being upbeat - they're always upbeat.

But Klopp is the least threatening manager we have to contend with in the EPL. We have to face Conte, Guardiola, Pochettino, Wenger...They are managers to worry about.

Klopp has had a chequered career as a manager....He did 'OK' with Mainz, and when I say 'OK', I mean 'OK'...He had a couple of mid-table finishes, finally got them promoted, and then got them relegated again...Decent up and down seven years with the club...nothing amazing, nothing terrible. Great job getting them up, poor job trying to keep them there and poor job trying to get them back up. All a bit Mick McCarthy if you ask me.

Then took the Borussia job and did fantastic in the grand scheme of things. But also - let's not forget - had some really mediocre campaigns with them. Finished 13th, 6th, 5th - then did a superb job of not only winning the League title but DEFENDING it - which is truly a tough achievement and Klopp deserves all the praise he got for those triumphs He also made Dortmund a force in Europe during those two years, too. They then finished second a couple of times before he dropped them back down to 7th.

Came to Liverpool, had an average first 7months where they finished 8th and then last season they finished 4th. I don't think he has achieved ANYTHING with Liverpool or has done anything to suggest he will be a threat to getting his hands on that EPL trophy.

Klopp has had more DOWNS than UPS as a manager....and is genuinely not a figure we should be thinking about at all. Like I said, his managerial career fades into insignificance when you compare him to our other rivals' managers' records.

I don't get it! He doesn't interest me in any way as a threat. I think, with City and United and Chelsea now settled with managers who aren't bedding into their clubs, Liverpool will sink back to their Millennium average position of 6th this season and there is nothing that suggests they can improve on that over the course of Klopp's reign as far as I can see. They might, of course, They might have another 3rd or 4th place finish over the next 4 years but that's as likely as it is for them to finish 8th again. They will average 6th over Klopp's reign...simply because he is not in the same category as Mourinho, Guardiola, Conte, Pochettino and Wenger. Klopp has been a professional manager for 16 seasons and had two brilliant seasons, three good seasons and 11 very mediocre seasons. Why the big deal? Because he has a personality? If I was a fan of a Spurs/Liverpool/Everton type club, give me the quiet Pochettinho a hundred times out of a hundred over massive personality Klopp.

I seriously don't get the fuss.

And By the way; if - and it's a massive IF, but if he ever did rival United for a title over the next few years, Mourinho will melt him. He overreacts to everything Mourinho says. Mourinho only has to throw a tiny pebble out there, and Klopp goes all guns blazing, Keegan-style. If it came down to the two having to lead their side over the line, there is only one winner. Mourinho would eat Klopp for breakfast and I'm pretty sure has already been laughing with his fellow coaches that Klopp reacted in such a way to a tiny pebble Mouirho threw out there on pre-season.
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hang on... Did anyone actually take that clown seriously? I thought everyone was just having a laugh at his expense. I can't imagine people actually coming up with any rational argument to see him or pool as a threat??

Your post is brutal. Did you have to shatter the delusional illusion of the Kloppites?
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
You must have been cringing like feck when, during the Europa League Cup presentation, Jose corrected the players who were using two fingers for two cup wins, who'd obviously forgotten the Charity Shield win.



No, but then I read the report in its entirety, not just the summary from Utd fans on here. Suarez was right to be banned for what he admitted to (one racially abusive term), but the rest of it had absolutely no basis in fact. It was purely a case of taking Evra's (inconsistent) word over Suarez's.
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Epic post. Needs a sticky. Even when you can't avoid the fact that your own player admitted to using racially abusive language towards another player you try and deflect by saying "it was only once". As if that was not bad enough, we all saw what happened and he said it multiple times and grabbing someone by the arm and spitting those words in their face with a snarling look on his face is not a term of affection even if he called him an idiot rather than using the N word.

At first, he denied it then on video evidence had to admit it. Even your shitehouse of a club backed him up by denying what everyone else could see. If he thought he had done nothing wrong why would he do that...

Imagine the club doing a PR stunt by wearing fecking T-shirts of the cnut as if he was a martyr. An utter embarrassment of a garbage "club"
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
You must have been cringing like feck when, during the Europa League Cup presentation, Jose corrected the players who were using two fingers for two cup wins, who'd obviously forgotten the Charity Shield win.



No, but then I read the report in its entirety, not just the summary from Utd fans on here. Suarez was right to be banned for what he admitted to (one racially abusive term), but the rest of it had absolutely no basis in fact. It was purely a case of taking Evra's (inconsistent) word over Suarez's.
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Inconsistent :lol:

Liverpool leaked that Suarez used "Negrito" when the FA report clearly mentioned he used "Negro". Shameless club in shameless act, well I'm surprised.
 
Random Task said:
There is passion and then there is pashuun. Klopp leans toward the latter.

Don't care what that goal stood for, Klopp, at least in my eyes, made himself look a right tit.

You don't think he overdid the celebrations somewhat? It was Norwich City for god's sake :p
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You don't think you're over doing it here? 18 month old clip to make a pretty weak point?
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
You must have been cringing like feck when, during the Europa League Cup presentation, Jose corrected the players who were using two fingers for two cup wins, who'd obviously forgotten the Charity Shield win.
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And that right there sums up Liverpool fans. You think beating Norwich city is on the same level as winning a European competition, a domestic cup and the charity shield. Never change.
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
And what values of LFC (or any big club) do you think Klopp has gone against? Seriously.

A pretty cheap dig about the fanbase and the club supporting a racist. As you should know, the club, and most fans, including me, thought the conclusions presented in the report weren't consistent with the evidence presented during the hearing. I think the T-shirts thing was a stupid thing to do. My own view was that we should've contested the FA's findings.
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Ah, so because the fans and the club didnt recognize the racist being racist was racism, surely the racist cant be racist.
 
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
Why should any fan have to take complaints about their manager (or players) from rival fans in isolation, when those same fans are ignoring or defending the same behaviour in their own manager/players? It's completely right and natural that someone is going to say ('hang on a minute...').



So you claim to speak on behalf of all Utd fans? Interesting. I'd always liked to believe you had your own views. Indeed, one of the reasons I use this site is because, despite the tribalism in threads like this one, you seem to have pretty objective and individual viewpoints. And when I say 'you' I mean other Utd fans.
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Here is a piece of advice. Why don't you stay out of these threads where you feel there is a lot of "tribalism"? It is a United forum FFS, and an
ObelOitment Fungentula said:
And what values of LFC (or any big club) do you think Klopp has gone against? Seriously.

A pretty cheap dig about the fanbase and the club supporting a racist. As you should know, the club, and most fans, including me, thought the conclusions presented in the report weren't consistent with the evidence presented during the hearing. I think the T-shirts thing was a stupid thing to do. My own view was that we should've contested the FA's findings.
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Thank you for exposing the vile mindset and racism prevalent at your club. That too for someone who bit his way out.

Nothing more to say really.
 
roonster09 said:
Inconsistent :lol:

Liverpool leaked that Suarez used "Negrito" when the FA report clearly mentioned he used "Negro". Shameless club in shameless act, well I'm surprised.
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Also even if he had said 'negrito', which the inconsistent testimony of Kuyt and Suarez threw into doubt, the context is clear.

Suarez is reported to have said, to paraphrase, I did it because you are Black. How is that not racially offensive? I hit you because you are a 'negrito' would be no less offensive. He's saying he committed an act of aggression against him because of his skin colour.

Liverpool fans reviving this argument just shows the blinkers they have on this.

Always the victims...
 
I have no problem with Liverpool fans believing Suarez. That's just how it is in fandom.


Of course, powers in charge believed (well, believed more atleast) Evra. :cool:
 
We lost the Audi cup because English teams are not supposed to win on penalties (especially in Germany)
 
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