Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

OutlawGER said:
Just for the opposition. If he'd be the United manager, you would love him. No doubt.
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Based on fecking what? Don't force your opinion on others. Just because he is worshipped by the Bundesliga fans doesn't mean he is revered over here in England. Such a fecking ignorant comment.
 
Never liked him and his antics, even before Liverpool. He looks and behave like a man with mental issues to me with that forced laughter.
He tries so hard to be 'chill and funny' but he is incredibly bitter and easily cracks under pressure. This season he will have much bigger challenge to stay competitive and get top 4, and I think we can except similar gems from his rotten teeth.
Besides, he is an average manager managing an average team, I'm least worried about them.
 
notcool said:
And the fact that they lost and we won doesn't make our achievement so much better. Consider the following scenario: 1. Real Madrid get to the CL semi-final after beating Nice and Roma in the previous rounds and lose there to Juventus. 2. We draw Barcelona in the CL Ro16 and go out. Was Real Madrid's season much better than ours because they got a lot further in the CL? I would say no. In the same way I wouldn't gloat about us doing so much better in the EL when they had a much more difficult run.
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I would say yes. No one really cares who you beat to win a trophy, as long as you win. Do you think Bayern will consider themselves as happy with their CL campaign as Juventus, even though they both were eliminated by Madrid? The goal is to win the competition and beat whoever is necessary to do that. If you get an easy road, all the better.
 
I wanted him to be our manager when we appointed Van Gaal...

Then came the eye-rolling trying too hard with the Beatles T-Shirt, the United fixation, the touch line freak outs, the general Michael Foot Spitting Image puppet demeanour, and, rather tellingly, the lack of getting results when needed and some head-shaking excuses offered in explanation.

He might come good at Liverpool, but I find him irritating now. I don't think it's a Liverpool thing, because I think Koeman's a cnut too.
 
Sassy Colin said:
And it's surprising how relatively normal Brendan Rodgers and Rafa Benitez have became again, once they left Liverpool.
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Yes it is indeed so very surprising that managers became 'normal' again in the eyes of United supporters once they stopped managing Liverpool and their every quote wasn't put under a magnifier, observed and sometimes pulled out of context on here and the English media.

Manager spout a lot of crap or contradict themselves to suit their agenda, all of them do and Klopp is certainly no exception to that rule, no.
 
TheBiggest said:
I don't get the fascination.

Klopp hasn't won anything of note as a manager for over half a decade. What's the big deal with this guy, why are fans of other clubs so fascinated? I understand Liverpool fans being upbeat - they're always upbeat.

But Klopp is the least threatening manager we have to contend with in the EPL. We have to face Conte, Guardiola, Pochettino, Wenger...They are managers to worry about.

Klopp has had a chequered career as a manager....He did 'OK' with Mainz, and when I say 'OK', I mean 'OK'...He had a couple of mid-table finishes, finally got them promoted, and then got them relegated again...Decent up and down seven years with the club...nothing amazing, nothing terrible. Great job getting them up, poor job trying to keep them there and poor job trying to get them back up. All a bit Mick McCarthy if you ask me.

Then took the Borussia job and did fantastic in the grand scheme of things. But also - let's not forget - had some really mediocre campaigns with them. Finished 13th, 6th, 5th - then did a superb job of not only winning the League title but DEFENDING it - which is truly a tough achievement and Klopp deserves all the praise he got for those triumphs He also made Dortmund a force in Europe during those two years, too. They then finished second a couple of times before he dropped them back down to 7th.

Came to Liverpool, had an average first 7months where they finished 8th and then last season they finished 4th. I don't think he has achieved ANYTHING with Liverpool or has done anything to suggest he will be a threat to getting his hands on that EPL trophy.

Klopp has had more DOWNS than UPS as a manager....and is genuinely not a figure we should be thinking about at all. Like I said, his managerial career fades into insignificance when you compare him to our other rivals' managers' records.

I don't get it! He doesn't interest me in any way as a threat. I think, with City and United and Chelsea now settled with managers who aren't bedding into their clubs, Liverpool will sink back to their Millennium average position of 6th this season and there is nothing that suggests they can improve on that over the course of Klopp's reign as far as I can see. They might, of course, They might have another 3rd or 4th place finish over the next 4 years but that's as likely as it is for them to finish 8th again. They will average 6th over Klopp's reign...simply because he is not in the same category as Mourinho, Guardiola, Conte, Pochettino and Wenger. Klopp has been a professional manager for 16 seasons and had two brilliant seasons, three good seasons and 11 very mediocre seasons. Why the big deal? Because he has a personality? If I was a fan of a Spurs/Liverpool/Everton type club, give me the quiet Pochettinho a hundred times out of a hundred over massive personality Klopp.

I seriously don't get the fuss.

And By the way; if - and it's a massive IF, but if he ever did rival United for a title over the next few years, Mourinho will melt him. He overreacts to everything Mourinho says. Mourinho only has to throw a tiny pebble out there, and Klopp goes all guns blazing, Keegan-style. If it came down to the two having to lead their side over the line, there is only one winner. Mourinho would eat Klopp for breakfast and I'm pretty sure has already been laughing with his fellow coaches that Klopp reacted in such a way to a tiny pebble Mouirho threw out there on pre-season.
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You get the irony that you just wrote 621 words on Jurgen Klopp, right? ;)
 
Sunny Jim said:
Don't get me wrong, I believe Ajax fully deserved their place in the final. They beat some decent sides in the progress, no doubt bout it. What I'm saying is that Sevilla side with Krychowiak was a very good unit, IMHO a better side than Ajax we defeated. More, I think they would have had a good to beat us as well.
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It doesnt matter if it was fecking Melchester Rovers you can only beat who is in front of you. Besides there isnt a coach around id rather have prepare us for a final other than Jose. Jose wins finals Klopp doesnt
 
Liked Klopp when he was at Dortmund, and wanted him instead of both Moyes & LvG, as I thought his antics were humerus back then.
Now I think he seem bitter and deluded, but I'm not sure if it's because I see more of him now or if it's a Liverpool connection.
 
It's like having a fan as manager of your team. Some of the shite he comes out with.
 
I think overall he is a good manager, not a great one. But much like Benitez, a lot of he'll end up being another talented manager who let his emotions/distractions of another club get the better of him rather than fuel him. That's the difference between Mourinho (who held grudges than often fueled him) and Klopp/Benitez. Well, it's one difference in addition to being tactically superior and just flat out better.
 
You always lose finals Jurgen, nothing to see here funny man.
 
abdo99 said:
Hopefully after another trophy less season. He's been there for two seasons now and won jack shit. He should keep his mouth shut and worry about his own team.
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He seems to get a bit of a free ride, though. When people talk about pressure for the coming season it seems to always be Pep and Mourinho that people say the pressure is on.

Let's not forget that when Klopp came, the media in particular made him out to be some sort of messiah that would take Liverpool back to the top. It's all been pretty underwhelming so far.
 
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fcbforever said:
No, it's just that some of you lot react extremely irrational re: anything Liverpool. It's become worse since United has fallen into disarray.

Klopp was slated here for some seriously funny remarks and I just though "wtf how could you use that against him".
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:lol:
 
Akshay said:
I would say yes. No one really cares who you beat to win a trophy, as long as you win. Do you think Bayern will consider themselves as happy with their CL campaign as Juventus, even though they both were eliminated by Madrid? The goal is to win the competition and beat whoever is necessary to do that. If you get an easy road, all the better.
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I think I would be less happy to be eliminated by Benfica in the quarter finals than Real Madrid in the Ro16.

Yeesheng said:
If beating top teams is the stick to measure success, well we beat Chelsea last season. We may beat Real in the Super Cup too. You think we have a good season if we do nothing else of note??

Trophies matter. And you can only beat the team facing you. So-called lesser teams have won titles (ie Greece, Portugal, Leicester etc). Give them credit where it is due. and that is also how some players prove themselves to be better than the incumbent stars.
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I think beating top teams and not losing to mediocre teams in the CL knockout rounds is the stick to measure the European season, yes.

Trophies do matter but I wouldn't use our victory and their loss as a proof that we're so much better than them. Which seems to me to be what Klopp is saying.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
He is not wrong.
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I don't think any United fan doesn't agree that they had it tougher, but it's an attempt to diminish our achievement and justify his own loss. What he won't tell you is that his record in cup finals is appalling compared to Mourinho's. It's not just the opposition that matters but yourself and your own team's characteristics aswell.
 
But what exactly is his point? Sevilla are stronger than Ajax? OK sure, but so what? You can only beat what's in front of you and Liverpool should be beating Sevilla if they want to be taken seriously. He's just trying to deflect from their failings by appealing to the RAWK brand conspiracies that everything is United's fault
 
notcool said:
I think I would be less happy to be eliminated by Benfica in the quarter finals than Real Madrid in the Ro16.


I think beating top teams and not losing to mediocre teams in the CL knockout rounds is the stick to measure the European season, yes.

Trophies do matter but I wouldn't use our victory and their loss as a proof that we're so much better than them. Which seems to me to be what Klopp is saying.
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So winning 3 trophies in 2 years is just something we did?
 
notcool said:
And the fact that they lost and we won doesn't make our achievement so much better. Consider the following scenario: 1. Real Madrid get to the CL semi-final after beating Nice and Roma in the previous rounds and lose there to Juventus. 2. We draw Barcelona in the CL Ro16 and go out. Was Real Madrid's season much better than ours because they got a lot further in the CL? I would say no. In the same way I wouldn't gloat about us doing so much better in the EL when they had a much more difficult run.
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I really don't understand your argument- are you saying his remarks were good? i'd respect him more if he used another excuse than disrespecting other clubs. No-one is gloating, simply pointing out Klopp's weird excuses, that's all. And that's not to say he is not a good coach but he should learn to speak properly about other clubs
 
clarkydaz said:
he wasn't asked anything about cup finals, yet he decided to make a point about it. Jose said nothing out of line
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Honestly I sort of hate this Mourinho v Pep, Mourinho v Klopp stuff you guys do constantly. And I regret jumping back into one of these threads. My mistake.
 
I get the argument that "we lost to Real last 16 you lost to Benfica last 8 doesn't prove anything" BUT surely the black and white of we won a cup, you lost that cup is an open and shut debate? It's like basically you finished 3rd and 4th is the same thing really but 1st and 2nd is a HUGE difference.
 
Still havn't figured out what is wrong with his mouth. His teeth look way too small or his gums way too big.
 
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