We couldn't qualify again because we finished 8th...
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Name one instance when Hitler whined about United.
Nothing? Yeah, thought so.
He's pathetic and so is his record in finals.
He says why should he talk about United and then talks about us. What an absolute tit. Not to mention be says absolute nonsense.
He seems agitated every time he talks about United. I guess it goes with the territory.
Perfectly normal comments by Jose.
At least he didn't mention our offside goal.
He seems agitated every time he talks about United. I guess it goes with the territory.
Perfectly normal comments by Jose.
At least he didn't mention our offside goal.
I don't get the fascination.
Klopp hasn't won anything of note as a manager for over half a decade. What's the big deal with this guy, why are fans of other clubs so fascinated? I understand Liverpool fans being upbeat - they're always upbeat.
But Klopp is the least threatening manager we have to contend with in the EPL. We have to face Conte, Guardiola, Pochettino, Wenger...They are managers to worry about.
Klopp has had a chequered career as a manager....He did 'OK' with Mainz, and when I say 'OK', I mean 'OK'...He had a couple of mid-table finishes, finally got them promoted, and then got them relegated again...Decent up and down seven years with the club...nothing amazing, nothing terrible. Great job getting them up, poor job trying to keep them there and poor job trying to get them back up. All a bit Mick McCarthy if you ask me.
Then took the Borussia job and did fantastic in the grand scheme of things. But also - let's not forget - had some really mediocre campaigns with them. Finished 13th, 6th, 5th - then did a superb job of not only winning the League title but DEFENDING it - which is truly a tough achievement and Klopp deserves all the praise he got for those triumphs He also made Dortmund a force in Europe during those two years, too. They then finished second a couple of times before he dropped them back down to 7th.
Came to Liverpool, had an average first 7months where they finished 8th and then last season they finished 4th. I don't think he has achieved ANYTHING with Liverpool or has done anything to suggest he will be a threat to getting his hands on that EPL trophy.
Klopp has had more DOWNS than UPS as a manager....and is genuinely not a figure we should be thinking about at all. Like I said, his managerial career fades into insignificance when you compare him to our other rivals' managers' records.
I don't get it! He doesn't interest me in any way as a threat. I think, with City and United and Chelsea now settled with managers who aren't bedding into their clubs, Liverpool will sink back to their Millennium average position of 6th this season and there is nothing that suggests they can improve on that over the course of Klopp's reign as far as I can see. They might, of course, They might have another 3rd or 4th place finish over the next 4 years but that's as likely as it is for them to finish 8th again. They will average 6th over Klopp's reign...simply because he is not in the same category as Mourinho, Guardiola, Conte, Pochettino and Wenger. Klopp has been a professional manager for 16 seasons and had two brilliant seasons, three good seasons and 11 very mediocre seasons. Why the big deal? Because he has a personality? If I was a fan of a Spurs/Liverpool/Everton type club, give me the quiet Pochettinho a hundred times out of a hundred over massive personality Klopp.
I seriously don't get the fuss.
And By the way; if - and it's a massive IF, but if he ever did rival United for a title over the next few years, Mourinho will melt him. He overreacts to everything Mourinho says. Mourinho only has to throw a tiny pebble out there, and Klopp goes all guns blazing, Keegan-style. If it came down to the two having to lead their side over the line, there is only one winner. Mourinho would eat Klopp for breakfast and I'm pretty sure has already been laughing with his fellow coaches that Klopp reacted in such a way to a tiny pebble Mouirho threw out there on pre-season.
Klopp hasn't won anything of note as a manager for over half a decade. What's the big deal with this guy, why are fans of other clubs so fascinated? I understand Liverpool fans being upbeat - they're always upbeat.
But Klopp is the least threatening manager we have to contend with in the EPL. We have to face Conte, Guardiola, Pochettino, Wenger...They are managers to worry about.
Klopp has had a chequered career as a manager....He did 'OK' with Mainz, and when I say 'OK', I mean 'OK'...He had a couple of mid-table finishes, finally got them promoted, and then got them relegated again...Decent up and down seven years with the club...nothing amazing, nothing terrible. Great job getting them up, poor job trying to keep them there and poor job trying to get them back up. All a bit Mick McCarthy if you ask me.
Then took the Borussia job and did fantastic in the grand scheme of things. But also - let's not forget - had some really mediocre campaigns with them. Finished 13th, 6th, 5th - then did a superb job of not only winning the League title but DEFENDING it - which is truly a tough achievement and Klopp deserves all the praise he got for those triumphs He also made Dortmund a force in Europe during those two years, too. They then finished second a couple of times before he dropped them back down to 7th.
Came to Liverpool, had an average first 7months where they finished 8th and then last season they finished 4th. I don't think he has achieved ANYTHING with Liverpool or has done anything to suggest he will be a threat to getting his hands on that EPL trophy.
Klopp has had more DOWNS than UPS as a manager....and is genuinely not a figure we should be thinking about at all. Like I said, his managerial career fades into insignificance when you compare him to our other rivals' managers' records.
I don't get it! He doesn't interest me in any way as a threat. I think, with City and United and Chelsea now settled with managers who aren't bedding into their clubs, Liverpool will sink back to their Millennium average position of 6th this season and there is nothing that suggests they can improve on that over the course of Klopp's reign as far as I can see. They might, of course, They might have another 3rd or 4th place finish over the next 4 years but that's as likely as it is for them to finish 8th again. They will average 6th over Klopp's reign...simply because he is not in the same category as Mourinho, Guardiola, Conte, Pochettino and Wenger. Klopp has been a professional manager for 16 seasons and had two brilliant seasons, three good seasons and 11 very mediocre seasons. Why the big deal? Because he has a personality? If I was a fan of a Spurs/Liverpool/Everton type club, give me the quiet Pochettinho a hundred times out of a hundred over massive personality Klopp.
I seriously don't get the fuss.
And By the way; if - and it's a massive IF, but if he ever did rival United for a title over the next few years, Mourinho will melt him. He overreacts to everything Mourinho says. Mourinho only has to throw a tiny pebble out there, and Klopp goes all guns blazing, Keegan-style. If it came down to the two having to lead their side over the line, there is only one winner. Mourinho would eat Klopp for breakfast and I'm pretty sure has already been laughing with his fellow coaches that Klopp reacted in such a way to a tiny pebble Mouirho threw out there on pre-season.
Klopp really is a grade a twat. It's an inevitablity when you take over at that club but by all accounts he was a twat before he arrived.
No he just bombed Old Trafford to oblivion instead
Has this been missed?
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/jurgen-...e-mourinhos-prediction-for-next-season-135187
Will we take away early European titles from Madrid, Barca, Milan, United etc because they beat Frankfurt, Panathanaikos (sp), Stade De Reims etc?
No, you beat whoever is in front of you when it comes to cup competitions. If the 'better' teams didn't make it to the latter stages, obviously they weren't good enough on the day.
Well d'oh, everybody makes mistakes, I'm sure he was sorry!
You can only beat the team you play, nothing more nothing less. We beat a very young Ajax team who are still very good, they lost to an experienced Sevilla side so there is obviously a difference. Funny he didn't mention the 1-0 lead that Liverpool had in that final they lost. Bit disrespectful if he's saying 'they played Ajax' as a way of saying Ajax are fairly inferior to Sevilla, I wouldn't expect anything less to cover his short comings though.Has this been missed?
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/jurgen-...e-mourinhos-prediction-for-next-season-135187
At the end of the day, you can break down any cup tournament, be it domestic or European to the 'luck of the draw'. You can even break down the league to fixture lists, for example your fixtures lists during the congested Christmas period. You can even break it down further to match level - home or away in a cup tie? If it's two legged then home first or away first? Who's the referee? There's always a way to find advantages or disadvantages for a particular team, and there will never be a 100% even field, even if the differences are minute. A lot of it does come down to luck yes, but the best teams adapt. It happens on other occasions too, for example when Atletico met Real Madrid in the 2016 CL final they had just beat Barca and Bayern to get there, but they still lost. It's a part of football and Liverpool will have won trophies too when they had an easier route to the final, than their opposition in the final.
I don't doubt for one second that our run was easier than Liverpool's. If you gave me both routes to the final of course I'd pick ours every-time, but you can only beat what's in front of you. Us having an easier run this year, is not an excuse for their failings. My reasoning is simple, if you don't like a team winning a final then your team should've been there to knock them out (or met along the way). It's not like Liverpool were in the CL this year, so that excuse goes out the window.
What these comments do suggest, is that Klopp sees us as the benchmark, as he is using our example to justify his failure
I don't doubt for one second that our run was easier than Liverpool's. If you gave me both routes to the final of course I'd pick ours every-time, but you can only beat what's in front of you. Us having an easier run this year, is not an excuse for their failings. My reasoning is simple, if you don't like a team winning a final then your team should've been there to knock them out (or met along the way). It's not like Liverpool were in the CL this year, so that excuse goes out the window.
What these comments do suggest, is that Klopp sees us as the benchmark, as he is using our example to justify his failure
It's an unbelievable statement. If Mourinho had said that I'd be fuming.
By Klopp's logic United would now have five CLs if they hadn't faced Barcelona twice, and three of Liverpool's five CLs are meaningless because they came against Moenchengladbach, Roma and Brugges.
By Klopp's logic United would now have five CLs if they hadn't faced Barcelona twice, and three of Liverpool's five CLs are meaningless because they came against Moenchengladbach, Roma and Brugges.
Wait...I just thought of another crucial difference that Klopp might have overlooked....we won our final and they lost theirs
I don't either but, apparently, he is a 'character'.
That sounds like a very defensive response to the truth: his methods will be properly tested this coming season and I will be surprised if they are even in the fight for top four.
Let's not be hypocrites guys. I have seen enough United fans rationalise our losses in the two CL finals due to the fact that we were facing Barcelona. What Klopp is saying is not very different...
...except we were facing arguably the best side ever in those two finals and pool were facing mighty Sevilla. But to be fair that's Liverpool's level so I find this perfectly justified.
...except we were facing arguably the best side ever in those two finals and pool were facing mighty Sevilla. But to be fair that's Liverpool's level so I find this perfectly justified.
Exactly, it's only because he has bags of personality and character that he is being talked about so much. He has done little in the game of note, in comparison to other managers in the EPL...especially those in the Top 6.
Liverpool are not worth worrying about. Less than average owners, who just can't compete in the modern transfer window, average squad, average manager. and I say that without joke...that's genuinely how I feel about them. They've averaged finishing 6th since the turn of the century, see no reason why that will better that over the next few years.
What he doesn't realise is that he is saying Sevilla are a better team than Liverpool.
I think that's the amusing part rather than the obvious that Sevilla are better (not by that much) team than Ajax who are up and comers
Not the fecking manager though. Can you imagine Fergie or Mourinho saying that?
I can definitely imagine one of our recent managers saying it, but he's just been fired for the third time in four years so it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Klopp.
Sevilla lost to Leicester last year.
to be fair it was less windy in our final compared to theirs
And the stadium was bigger so more of our fans could be there.
so pool is worse than Leicester and Sevilla. Good to know!
As our greatest manager, Moyes, once said we aspire to be at City's level, I would happily concede Klopp ought to be regarded in the same vein as him.
(Just to be clear, I was being sarcastic in that post - It probably didn't come across that way)
He was born to be the scouse manager.
I don't get why you all are getting so angry at that quote. Context is everything and it was most likely a part of a larger interview. And as for the "he can't stop talking about us", he was probably asked by the journalist. I very much doubt, that he just brought it up hinself. Because you are right, you can only beat what's in front of you, and you won the EL fair and square because you took a gamble and sort of sacrificed your league campaign. It payed off and you got both a trophy and CL.
He has a point in that they had United, Dortmund, Villarreal and Sevilla in the last 4 rounds whilst we had Rostov, Anderlecht, Celta Vigo and Ajax, that is a pretty big difference in quality, but it's odd to raise it to such an innocuous comment by Mourinho (Mourinho has said way worse a lot of times) and he is making it seem like beating Sevilla would have been some huge achievement despite the fact that Sevilla side didn't win a game away in the league all season (admittedly I do think they were quite a bit better than Ajax still).
Never thought he'd surpass Wenger and Mourinho so quickly in terms of saltiness
I love this situation. The more every opposite fan hates him, the more Liverpool fans worhsip him. He's doing a reverse Wenger who wants was hated by opposition fans and loved by his own and now is despised by the majority of Arsenal fans while the rest of the league has grown fond of his 4th/5th place finishes.
I love this situation. The more every opposite fan hates him, the more Liverpool fans worhsip him. He's doing a reverse Wenger who wants was hated by opposition fans and loved by his own and now is despised by the majority of Arsenal fans while the rest of the league has grown fond of his 4th/5th place finishes.
Loads of reasons @Rob, but as CG mentions below, it's not "anger" that's for sure.
1. Ajax are a bigger club than Sevilla
2. Leicester fecking City beat Sevilla in the CL last season.
3. Liverpool Football Club should LOVE facing fecking Sevilla in a final, have you really fallen so low? You lot should hate that response from him, it's small time as feck, belittling of your club and probably one of the reasons his final record is so fecking abysmal, it's defeatist.
4. He was asked about Mourinho's quotes saying Chelsea and Liverpool will find it tougher this season with European football, why not just agree and say "that's what we want, and we can't wait for the challenge". Why instead start making excuses for your own shitty final record and throw your own club under the bus whilst doing so? It's so David Moyes it's unreal.
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Anger is the very last emotion we all are feeling at the moment. Its more amusement and satisfaction at the state of Liverpool and its manager.
Once the man starts winning things, then we'll talk about him as a top manager. Right now he's just an obnoxious twat.
Just a matter of time till he's pulling out a list of facts at a press conference. Klopp's going to be feeling the pressure properly this year now that the honeymoon period is over.
I used to have a lot of time for Klopp, but his assimilation into the scouse Borg seems almost complete.
No one mentioned yet how disrespectful his words were about Ajax, rightly or wrongly?
I hope they come up against them in Europe this year and get thumped.
I hope they come up against them in Europe this year and get thumped.
That would be beautiful. Poetic justice.
With comments like these this early on before the season's even started, I wouldn't be surprised to see a full-on meltdown come December time. This will be his third season, and with Liverpool only having won a League Cup in the past 10 years the pressure will be on more than ever.
Winter is coming.
Just for the opposition. If he'd be the United manager, you would love him. No doubt.
What United fans say in conversations on forums and what a manager says in a press conference are two very different circumstances.
Love him? This place would be fuming if he was our manger and came out with pathetic excuses like that.