Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

It baffles me why anyone other than a Utd fan would bother spending time on the Caf. I would need to have a serious word with myself if I ever started spending my free time posting on RAWK.
First of all this board is bigger than just Manchester United. Our football forum is very active and diverse and it wouldn't be so without opposition fans and people from all over the world.

The only good way to see your club in a different view is on an opposition board. If you want to discuss football properly on the internet you really need to do it in an environment that is well moderated which this place is.

It's healthy for everyone to read opinions you don't agree with. It's especially prevalent in political discussion that people just live inside their own bubble and dismiss anything else immediately that doesn't come from their side. You can't do that as an opposition fan on here. Your views will be challenged however good or bad they'll be.

Then you have people who simply have different temperment than you. Perhaps you couldn't live with opposition fans laughing at United after a loss but other people can. It takes a lot for a Liverpool supporter especially to frequent a Manchester United forum and it needs to be commended, not ridiculed.
 
That second Benteke goal, we've conceded something like ten goals this season exactly like that.

Lovren needs to be replaced. He'll always have games like that.
 
I'm not going to try and defend Klopp if we don't get top four. No excuse for not managing it this season.
There were always going to be good teams that missed out on it this year. Toughest top 4 race in recent history. I think it's a good season for Pool if they get there. If not, you have to be ruing the missed opportunities in the cups. Will be a lot of pressure on Klopp next season in that case.
 
Jurgen,

Teach your side how to defend properly before the flashy stuff. You might actually win stuff then.

Regards,

PB
 
Oh no. Now they're really in the shit.
Sourness has just said that they can't afford to let it SLIP.
Feck me, will they ever learn??
 
Always mentions referees or decisions before saying it doesn't matter or it's not important:lol:
 
It gets worse for him. It's now mathematically impossible for Norwich to reach the Championship play-offs, so the Norwich Cup is off for next season.
 
Liverpool had only 1 shot on target at home to Crystal Palace, that's an awful record.
 
You could tell the music from the Crystal Palace dressing room wound him up during his post match :lol:
 
Lovren needs to be replaced. He'll always have games like that.

He was all over the place today and literary created their chance for Benteke's 2nd.

He's one of 3-4 players we have who leave you absolutely astounded by their acts of sheer stupidity on a football pitch.
 
Wasn't that Can's fault?
Yeah, it was Can's fault but Lovren is the whipping boy, so all the blame has been put on him instead.
The fact that Can was playing his own version of Musical Statues (without the music) had nothing to do with it.
 
Was initially depressed by this loss but told myself we go again and next year is our year, also top 4 does not fecking slip! I'm all good now.
 
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It's incredible that just how deluded Liverpool fans are. Klopp has been pretty average so far for Liverpool and yet they pretend as if he's doing an amazing job.
 
It's incredible that just how deluded Liverpool fans are. Klopp has been pretty average so far for Liverpool and yet they pretend as if he's doing an amazing job.
Yep. It's because they cling onto anything they can.

Klopp is a good coach, not some super manager.
 
It's incredible that just how deluded Liverpool fans are. Klopp has been pretty average so far for Liverpool and yet they pretend as if he's doing an amazing job.
Jose is a busted flush, but Klopp's building something
 
Lovren had a double balls up for Palace to get the corner. The corner was terrible, Firmino should have cleared it, as it bobbled along to the near post. No one moved when it eventually reached the middle of the 6 yard box. The unattended Benteke bent down to head it in.
 
It's incredible that just how deluded Liverpool fans are. Klopp has been pretty average so far for Liverpool and yet they pretend as if he's doing an amazing job.

Liverpool will be fine as soon as he manages to sign another Lewandowski/Hummels/Gundogan for 10m combined. Just you wait and see!
 
I never understand managers being called frauds every time they have a bad result in England.

It's not exactly an easy league and their performance in this country shouldn't take away from what they've done elsewhere.

You had no european football this season you should be qualifying easily for next seasons CL. Klopp is a good coach but he has his shortcomings too.
 
You had no european football this season you should be qualifying easily for next seasons CL. Klopp is a good coach but he has his shortcomings too.
Of course, but surely that doesn't make him a fraud?
 
First of all this board is bigger than just Manchester United. Our football forum is very active and diverse and it wouldn't be so without opposition fans and people from all over the world.

The only good way to see your club in a different view is on an opposition board. If you want to discuss football properly on the internet you really need to do it in an environment that is well moderated which this place is.

It's healthy for everyone to read opinions you don't agree with. It's especially prevalent in political discussion that people just live inside their own bubble and dismiss anything else immediately that doesn't come from their side. You can't do that as an opposition fan on here. Your views will be challenged however good or bad they'll be.

Then you have people who simply have different temperment than you. Perhaps you couldn't live with opposition fans laughing at United after a loss but other people can. It takes a lot for a Liverpool supporter especially to frequent a Manchester United forum and it needs to be commended, not ridiculed.

Well said, now to the rawk thread ;)
 
I never understand managers being called frauds every time they have a bad result in England.

It's not exactly an easy league and their performance in this country shouldn't take away from what they've done elsewhere.

Whilst I'd agree that he himself isn't necessarily a fraud, because, to my knowledge, he hasn't been blowing his own trumpet any more than any other manager does, I would say that there's a case for the reputation he came in with being a false one, ergo, fraudulent.

Regardless of what Liverpool fans try and argue, Klopp was brought in so early in the season to save it and challenge for the top 4. He failed to do that, but the excuse was that he concentrated on the cups, particularly the Europa League. However, having won nothing, the effort meant nothing. Another excuse was needing a transfer window to strengthen the squad.

Klopp has now had a transfer window, and was going into a season with Liverpool having no European distraction. Expectations were again top 4, with the cup runs of the previous season encouraging something similar. You managed two lacklustre performances in the league cup semi-final, then were dumped out of the FA Cup against Wolves. You're currently sat 3rd in the league, 1 point ahead of 4th and 3 ahead of 5th, but both have two games in hand on you. United, who are 5th, have already played 12 games more than Liverpool this season, and have at least 8 more to go, compared to Liverpool's 4. As much as finishing top 4 would meet the expectations set out for this season, you've shown absolutely nothing to show that you'd be able to even remotely challenge for the Champions League, never mind doing so whilst achieving a successive top 4 finish.

If Dortmund and Liverpool fans are to be believed, Dortmund were a team in crisis when Klopp took charge there, yet even then, he went unbeaten at home in his first season, and dropped just 10 points against the bottom half sides, going unbeaten against them too. He then only dropped 14 points against the bottom half in his second, before winning the league in his third season.

I remember being told on here back at the start of the season that the loss against Burnley was a one-off. Since then you've lost to Bournemouth, Swansea, Hull, Leicester and now Palace, as well as drawing against Sunderland, and against Bournemouth and West Ham at home. Despite United's woes, they've dropped half as many points against bottom half sides as Liverpool this season, and haven't lost a single game to any of them (and should we at least draw in the home game against Swansea, will have gone the whole season without losing to the current bottom half).

Klopp dropped 20 points against bottom half teams last season, and thus far has dropped 24 points against them this season, having lost 10 games against them across the two seasons. Comparatively, Rodgers dropped 14 points against bottom half sides in his first season, 11 points in his second season, 22 points in his third season, and 4 points against them in the brief time he had in the fourth. Klopp has dropped 44 points and lost 10 times to bottom half teams in 36 games against them. Rodgers dropped 51 points and lost 6 times in 62 games against them.

It might be unfair to call him a fraud, but from my perspective at least, you've got a manager surviving on a reputation that, in two seasons at Liverpool, he's failed quite spectacularly to live up to. You show no signs of being able to compete on multiple fronts, struggle with woeful inconsistency, particularly against typically weaker sides, and seemingly have no answer to the defensive problems that have plagued you since Benitez left, yet, despite all recent evidence being to the contrary, continue to put your faith in Klopp to bring you success, based entirely on a reputation he built over a few seasons at one club in a different league. He may not be a fraud, but unless there's a dramatic turnaround next season, the reputation he came in with must surely have to be forgotten?
 
They went from Rodgers who didn't know how to organize a defense to Klopp who... Doesn't know how to organize a defense.
 
If we finish top four it'll have been a fairly good result for the season and testament to Klopp, especially with the resources we've had in comparison to Arsenal and United. feck knows whether we will.

I remember being told on here back at the start of the season that the loss against Burnley was a one-off. Since then you've lost to Bournemouth, Swansea, Hull, Leicester and now Palace, as well as drawing against Sunderland, and against Bournemouth and West Ham at home. Despite United's woes, they've dropped half as many points against bottom half sides as Liverpool this season, and haven't lost a single game to any of them (and should we at least draw in the home game against Swansea, will have gone the whole season without losing to the current bottom half).

Klopp dropped 20 points against bottom half teams last season, and thus far has dropped 24 points against them this season, having lost 10 games against them across the two seasons. Comparatively, Rodgers dropped 14 points against bottom half sides in his first season, 11 points in his second season, 22 points in his third season, and 4 points against them in the brief time he had in the fourth. Klopp has dropped 44 points and lost 10 times to bottom half teams in 36 games against them. Rodgers dropped 51 points and lost 6 times in 62 games against them.

On the flip side, you have to credit him with a fantastic record against the league's top 8 (unbeaten all season), which displays the ability to manage a side that can compete with the league's best.

Which is harder to develop? I'd argue it's easier to find a formula to win against the league's cannon fodder. A bit more quality in the squad would go a long way to solving that problem.
 
He's not a fraud. Just funny that everyone on here calls Guardiola a fraud. I call him a fraud in the sense that he has this cult following that feel he can do no wrong. He has a status at Liverpool that isn't warranted by what he has done since arriving at Anfield. What he done with Dortmund and Mainz is great but it's in the past.
 
If they had European football this season they'd be in 7th/8th. The depth of their squad is rubbish. I mean look at the state of their bench today.
 
On the flip side, you have to credit him with a fantastic record against the league's top 8 (unbeaten all season), which displays the ability to manage a side that can compete with the league's best.

Which is harder to develop? I'd argue it's easier to find a formula to win against the league's cannon fodder. A bit more quality in the squad would go a long way to achieving that.

If it's easier to find a formula to win against the league's cannon fodder, then why, in two seasons, hasn't he found it?

You've played against the top sides like it's a cup final this season, but there's 42 points available against the 7 other teams in the top 8, and 72 against the rest of the league. You also dropped 30 points against the other teams in the top 8 last season, so this season may well be a one-off in that regard, particularly if you have to face top-sides after a mid-week game next season. Conversely, you've struggled against the weaker sides two seasons running (three if you count Rodgers' last full season).

Liverpool fans talk about getting quality in the squad like it's a guarantee. They can't spend as much as other top clubs, can't offer wages as high, can't guarantee they'll be challenging for trophies, and have no real star power in the squad to attract other top players. Who exactly are you getting in that's going to elevate you from a team that can fight, just about, on one front, to a team that'll be consistently getting the better of the majority of the league, whilst also competing in Europe?
 
He's not a fraud. Just funny that everyone on here calls Guardiola a fraud. I call him a fraud in the sense that he has this cult following that feel he can do no wrong. He has a status at Liverpool that isn't warranted by what he has done since arriving at Anfield. What he done with Dortmund and Mainz is great but it's in the past.

That's not true though. He receives plenty of criticism from fans - it's just that the same time, he has complete backing as long term manager. Which is a good thing.
 
That's not true though. He receives plenty of criticism from fans - it's just that the same time, he has complete backing as long term manager. Which is a good thing.

Does he? Most of the criticism I've seen is for the players, not Klopp, and a good chunk of you seem convinced you're getting a tremendous squad overhaul that'll sort out all of your problems.

Let's say you do hold on to the top 4, what are your expectations for next year?