I think its more of a rest as in take time off, recuperate, spend time with family and come back stronger. Not an actual rest from fatigue.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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I think its more of a rest as in take time off, recuperate, spend time with family and come back stronger. Not an actual rest from fatigue.
Hey op, your thread title changes here and your other threads aren't funny.
That is all.
That is all.
Maybe the solution is to simply give the ball back to the opposition so we can press. Watch our games turn into two teams trying not to have possession. 
We had a lot of possession earlier in the season but it didn't seem to trouble us as much then. Tiredness must have something to do with it. That and possibly teams forcing us out wide as well like you say.
We had a lot of possession earlier in the season but it didn't seem to trouble us as much then. Tiredness must have something to do with it. That and possibly teams forcing us out wide as well like you say.
Ive said this before, but I dont buy into this winter break nonsense.
How does fatigue from one game, carry over a whole 7 days into the next game? It doesnt. The intesisty will take its toll on us during the winter preiod, around boxing day time. But not now.
Was the winter break in Germany a little g period? I'm sure someone told me it was a week?
100% authentic.
Sure to make the City of Liverpool love The Sun even more.
I'm with you to an extent. But look at the Bundesliga dates this season, the winter break went from 21 Dec - 20 Jan, so a month. How many games did Liverpool play in that time? It's a massive difference when you're playing the way he likes to play, to have that month to completely recharge the batteries then go again. He's in for a rude awakening next season, I can't remember the numbers exactly but there's an even more insane amount of fixtures over Christmas than normal.
Every part of what I said is true and I am not sure how talking about Pochettino is out of context when talking about, well Pochettino
I do agree that Liverpool is getting more coverage than spuds around the Top 4. I think this has to be down to the lingering old pool guard that still stink up the place in various broadcasting outlets.
Either way it's deadly accurate.
Didn't he take over BEFORE XMAS 2015? If so, how didn't he suss that then?
Didn't they reach the EL Final while being rubbish in the league?
If tiredness with no European football is an issue he has no one but himself to blame.
Brendan Rodgers didn't die for this
Took over in October 2015 and equaled their lowest ever PL-era league finish en route to Europa League failure.
Exactly. All this talk about first full season glosses over their problems as learning the PL ropes, but all these things he should have learned last season and acted upon in the Summer.
I ment
I thought Hart would have been a great signing for someone in the Summer (and yes, I do admit I hoped it was us). I thought it was crazy to let him go. Powerful and commanding and a bloody tall keeper who can male world-class saves. Sure he has his crazy moments but everybody loved Grobelaar and he was totally nuts yet still a really good keeper.
you make some painful points.
They were 10th when he took over, and remained behind every team above them with the exception of Everton and Palace who both ended up in the bottom half. Rodgers' points per game for the season before getting sacked after 8 games was 1.5, and Klopp managed just 1.6 per game over the remaining 30 games. He didn't really improve their league form at all, but did manage a couple of unsuccessful runs to cup finals, of which he's becoming a serial loser.
For reference, their points per game for this season is currently at 1.92, but was 2.27 at the halfway stage.
Don't you think those two bolded statements might not work together? First of all, Wijnaldum and Lallana at the start of the season were playing much higher than their normal levels. They are now back to the levels they've played for majority of their careers. Earlier in the season you'd see them get into the box and create chances and them being creative players, you were always going to look great. It was making up for the lack of quality you had up front and out wide.
But If you're going to play them both, it surely comes at the cost of a more well rounded central midfielder. If you're going to play players like that and still bring in a defensive midfielder, it would come at the cost of not playing your captain. Unless you are saying that you want Henderson dropped from starting lineup for a better defensive midfielder, something has to give.
Personally if it was my team, I would want either Lallana or Wijnaldum to play alongside a defensive midfielder and Henderson as a box-to-box player. The creativity and goals need to come from the front three supported by the midfield. Your best front three are Firmino, Coutinho and Mane. While that is a very good attack, even one of the best in the league on its day, I am not sure that is good enough to consistently get the wins over the course of the season.
I think it will be longer than that. We are not going to find a better manager and this one needs time. He'll get 4 years for sure. Before he arrived most of us were saying give him 3-4 years to challenge for the title. Well, 2 finals (even if we lost them) last season was still major progress considering where we finished the season before (and last season our PL position was largely irrelevant in the end because he played the kids and squaddies for the last half a dozen matches, or something like that, to concentrate on the EL) and nobody can argue with the way we've played up until Xmas this season. This discussion, not just on here but in the media etc. just shows you how little fans know and how fickle they (we) are.
I don't really want to discuss current form, as that's not what this post is about, though I believe we'll turn it around and still finish top 4, most Mancs think I'm talking out of my arse but we'll only know come the end of season who was right on that one so let's leave it there.
You could write the book on Klopp bashing.
All fair points though if I'm being honest. He's got a lot to prove in England.
If you think that then there's no hope for you.
Instead of spouting crap post after post, thread after thread, try educating yourself : http://spielverlagerung.com/2016/07/15/tactical-analysis-jurgen-klopps-liverpool/
Thought he'd been found out big time in his last season at Dortmund and not seen anything to convince me otherwise since. Also thought he was a bellend in the summer of 2014 when we got linked to a couple of his players.
Touched a nerve?
Not sure what tactical analysis has to do with tangible results. End of the day, you remained shite last season despite a managerial change, and are currently in a horrendous run of form with that same manager.
What point are you trying to make here exactly? That article claims that Liverpool made progress last season when actual results say otherwise, and the improvement seen in the first half of this season has already been effectively made irrelevant by the shocking performances since the turn of the year.
Once you are fatigued, as opposed to mere tiredness, you need much longer to recover. A few days here and there may not fix it.
Fatigue from the winter period probably carries over until the summer off season.
How can you consider 2 lost finals in a season progress when your cup performances this season have seen you eliminated from the two you were in whilst your league form took you from 2nd and 5 points off top, to 5th and 13 points off top in the space of 4 games?
FA Cup last season you were taken to a replay by Exeter in the third round, won the replay, then got taken to a replay by West Ham in the fourth and beaten in that. This season you got taken to a replay by Plymouth in the third round of the FA Cup, beat them in the replay, only to lose to Wolves at home in the fourth round. You got beaten in a cup final in February, then threw all of your eggs in the basket of another cup and lost that after leading at half time. As for the claims about throwing in the league, following your progress to the semi-finals of the EL you were 8th, 2 points off 7th, and finished 8th, 2 points off 7th.
Everyone and his dog said you'd look better than you were because you had no European football, then you started this season looking better than you were, only to collapse as soon as there was a small build up of games.
I get you being optimistic about the guy, but you just pick and choose stuff to suit whatever agenda you're patronisingly pushing on others.
There’s also the cumulative factor; the later on in the season, the more tired you are. Not only about recovering from the last game.
Well I think hes doing a bang up job.
I could barely wish for a better performance in 2017 from Liverpool. In fact, I think I'd only be happier about the direction pool are going if they swapped the dislikable klopp for the hateful moyes.
I could barely wish for a better performance in 2017 from Liverpool. In fact, I think I'd only be happier about the direction pool are going if they swapped the dislikable klopp for the hateful moyes.
Jürgen Klopp and Brendan Rogers have the same record after 54 games via @Onefootball. Read it here:
http://1.ftb.al/zNTc/8rwN0R3VzA
http://1.ftb.al/zNTc/8rwN0R3VzA
I think that their current form is a step back rather than sign they're going in the wrong direction. They're top of the head to head table against the top 6, they're obviously well able to compete against the best in the league which is promising for a young side going forward.
However, as I said back in September/October, it was obvious they didn't have the strength in depth to sustain their title challenge. Their momentum grinded to a halt with injuries to Coutinho, Lallana, Matip and Mané going to Africa which meant average players like Lucas, Klaven, Can we're starting with their bench consisting of untried teenagers. Once you lose that momentum the players start to feel those famous Klopp double training sessions in their legs a bit more...
The only difference between Rogers and Klopp, and we all know results-wise there is NO difference so far (and I only see Klopp's deteriaorating) is that I could envisage Rogers there for many, many years - whereas I see Klopp gone in 18-months' time.
And because Liverpool can't compete financially with United, City, Chelsea - their only hope is to have a consistent manager at the helm who makes the sum of the parts better than the parts themselves, because inevitably there will be better squads in the league (s'all about the money).
While United, City and Chelsea possibly go around firing and hiring managers every 2-seasons (which has been happening of late) Liverpool could have had somewhat of an advantage had they stayed consistent and kept a manager on long-term.
I don't see Jurgen Klopp as that guy. Liverpool will likely finish 6th this season, and then next season they'll be really up against it as Conte, Mourinho and Guardiola enter their second campaigns - so are likely to struggle again, and at that point,Liverpool fans will start calling for Jurgen's head. As they always do. Meanwhile, they could have been entering a fifth season with Rogers at the helm (akin to what Spurs are doing now with Poch) and had that consistency advantage. But as it is, Liverpool will join the likes of City and Chelsea by swapping managers every couple of seasons but they will be doing so with a tinier budget and won't be able to compete at the top.
I see that Rafeteria is still getting all defensive and wants to answer to everyone.
I see that Rafeteria is still getting all defensive and wants to answer to everyone.
With Benitez playing hardball with Ashley how long before there's calls to bring him "home". He might even still have the house in Liverpool actually.
interesting thought.
Have you ever played a sport over a full season? The further into the season you get the more them little niggles start hurting and affecting your game. The legs killing the day after turns into 2 or 3 days and then preparation time becomes less and less.
When people say the league is a marathon and not a sprint this is exactly what they are talking about.
It will be like that time Kevin Keegan went back to Newcastle and did feck all.
He was doing a somewhat bang up job last year when took Liverpool to 2 cup finals.
He was doing a bang up job earlier in the season.
If he takes Liverpool to top 4 this year no doubt he'll do a bang up job.
But if he fails to reach top 4, would Liverpool fans satisfied with that, consider:
They will play Europa cup which will drain their players.
They will fail to attract top players yet again.
If out of top 4 and he can't unearth unknown gem like Suarez it's almost certain Liverpool will not win a league next year, and could be out of top 4 again and the cycle will repeat itself.
He did a bang up job for Liverpool so far but makes no mistake this is a critical time for him. Liverpool is not Spur. The fans will want success.
Bang up!!
Talk of replacing Klopp is insane. He's doing a decent job, by many accounts. Outside of Mane and Coutinho (and I rate Lallana) there is not much quality in the squad, but they are fifth with a good chance at making top 4.
I think this is a learning curve for Klopp. Hes been in Germany his entire career, so he was always going to take time to adapt to England. As for LFC, changing managers will introduce another prolonged learning curve. It will waste time, money, players. Stick with Klopp for at least a couple of years. I see changing managers too often as damaging and disruptive in the long-run, personally.
I think this is a learning curve for Klopp. Hes been in Germany his entire career, so he was always going to take time to adapt to England. As for LFC, changing managers will introduce another prolonged learning curve. It will waste time, money, players. Stick with Klopp for at least a couple of years. I see changing managers too often as damaging and disruptive in the long-run, personally.
Especially against so called lesser teams with something to play for.
I mentioned this awhile back when we were flying. What amuses me is such posts on here get no attention . When we said we will not win the league they rarely get attention. But some people on here trawl through RAWK and find a post that some beaut has posted and repost it here trying to make us all look like twats.
The same applies on RAWK too.