Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

[Donk87]

Why focus on the WUM-esque parts of my post, rather than the actual argument though? Don't have the courage to come out and admit the coverage of the match was poor?

Why include the WUM-esque parts of your post, rather than just detailing your actual argument though? Don't have the maturity to come out and state your opinion without going fishing?

When you bait people with absurd rhetoric and gross exaggerations don't be surprised when they ignore any good points you make in favour of poking fun at you.

Manchester Utd have scored 7 offside goals in their last 5 Old Trafford games. They would be in the bottom half of the table without them.

Now I don't know where that originated (Twatter I'd imagine) or whether there's any truth to it ... but I hope there is because I'll be using it in future if there is More than likely it's an inflated figure and BS though.

I'm pretty sure that's not true. United have definitely been on the right side of a number of favourable offside decisions that have led to goals recently but at least two of them have been on the road - Pogba vs Crystal Palace & Zlatan (plus 2/3 others!) vs West Ham. And from memory I can only recall Miki v Sunderland and Valencia in the build-up yesterday in their recent games at Old Trafford.

Still enough to blow a hole in the "United victims of refereeing conspiracy" argument though.

 

[thepolice123]

Not as friendly as he looks.

That is hilarious. He lost it.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Typical scousers twisting stats in their favour. Love how most of them are focusing on our recent 'offside' goals but totally ignoring all the horrible decisions that have gone against us this season and cost us points.

 

[PickledRed]

You're very odd.

Oh I am. Very much so.

 

[Dumbstar]

Typical scousers twisting stats in their favour. Love how most of them are focusing on our recent 'offside' goals but totally ignoring all the horrible decisions that have gone against us this season and cost us points.

I was watching part of the game again and its funny what different people see. I saw Pogba choke and then chuck Henderson to the ground, a straight yellow in most cases. Then while watching Herrera's pass to Mikhy I noticed Can moving in past Pogba to block the pass from Herrera only to be whacked deliberately on the face by Poggers. Can went down clutching his face. Another yellow card.

A red would have meant the referee denying Liverpool keeping their most valuable player on the pitch so you're right, its swings and roundabouts.

 

[RedCurry]

Then while watching Herrera's pass to Mikhy I noticed Can moving in past Pogba to block the pass from Herrera only to be whacked deliberately on the face by Poggers. Can went down clutching his face. Another yellow card.

Can went down holding his face so Pogba must get a yellow. Let's just ignore the fact that the referee was standing about 8 yards from the incident with a clear view of Pogba's elbow. Great logic.

 

[Catt]

I found it interesting that Klopp wouldn't go toe to toe with us.

Lallana man marking Carrick and adopting the diamond showed he was beyond wary of our capabilities despite the resident scouse of the forum stating if we dare try and play our own game against theirs they would destroy us. Klopp didn't seem to agree nor fancy it.

This would be called parking the bus or anti-football had Mourinho done it.

 

[#07]

This would be called parking the bus or anti-football had Mourinho done it.

If Mou does it its defensive, if Klopp does it it's tactical genius.

Kinda like how if Mou gets into it with another manager they want to ban him. When Klopp does it it's 'passion.'

 

[Catt]

If Mou does it its defensive, if Klopp does it it's tactical genius.

Kinda like how if Mou gets into it with another manager they want to ban him. When Klopp does it it's 'passion.'

Looking at those two atm Mourinho looks at peace and angelic compared to Klopp. Wth was the jumping all about?

 

[Earthquake]

That is hilarious. He lost it.

That's "charisma", mate.

 

[SirScholes]

Actually the stat I saw was this :

Manchester Utd have scored 7 offside goals in their last 5 Old Trafford games. They would be in the bottom half of the table without them.

Now I don't know where that originated (Twatter I'd imagine) or whether there's any truth to it ... but I hope there is because I'll be using it in future if there is More than likely it's an inflated figure and BS though.

Is that taking away all the goals other teams may of scored off side as well?
Would probably level out if were given the penalties that have been ignored by refs
But like I say it's a mute point

 

[SirScholes]

And only City away left out of the Top 6 .. with no Euro distractions.

I'll ditto what another poster said above. I enjoy your entertaining posts - even when you have a dig at Liverpool it's usually still funny !

Usually the small teams you lose points against

 

[Nanotron]

Ah yes, because MOTD are credible in their coverage.

Last night, MOTD
-failed to address Rooney's nasty, career-ending tackle on James Milner.
-failed to address Pogba's shocking, borderline-vile foul on Henderson during a Liverpool corner.
-failed to address the fact cross in 83rd minute (that is the chance that led to Ibrahimovic's goal later on) came from an offside position.
-failed to address the fact Man United have scored 5 goals from an offside position this season, more than any other side by a country mile.

They failed to do that, but they did make the highlights all about United's "chances" while excluding a number of our own, all the while their commentator focused on Firmino's reaction to getting blatantly pulled by a shirt for at least 5 seconds in the most unsportsmanship form of on-pitch behaviour I've ever seen in English football.

That is the same MOTD that had Phil Neville rant about how great the British citizen and England's defender John Stones is, and how bad the (coincidentally, I'm sure) foreign defenders in his team are, implying he doesn't deserve any criticism and that he is over-criticized all the time, while people like Bravo totally get away with it week in, week out.

Ridiculous, delusional, xenophobic. Typical MOTD coverage really.

In the second segment he then went on about how the British citizen and England's midfielder Adam Lallana was the key to Liverpool shutting down the play of the best Man United player on the pitch, the British citizen and former England's midfielder Michael Carrick.
His "analysis" was just a bunch of poorly-worded drivel that pandered to BBC's involuntary taxpaying viewers.

So next time you claim unbiased views and MOTD are somehow connected, I suggest you first think long and hard about your claim, or at least watch the match first.

With best regards,

an only slightly salty Liverpool fan.

Christ. Have you not got a championship you should be concentrating on Rafa?

Ill agree with you on the analysis though but its been done to death already. You just dont watch MOTD for analysis anymore. Everyone knows that.

 

[Oga on top.]

Usually the small teams you lose points against

As long as we get through these next few games with no major blips we should be fine to get a good few wins against the lower placed teams in the league later on. We have lost Mane but Coutinho is back and he looks class as ever from that small cameo yesterday. I think Klopp can get enough out of his players to get a win against Plymouth and Swansea. After that we have another set of cruical games against Southampton and Chelsea. United needed the win more than us yesterday, I'm suprised more of you are not pissed off. But United are aiming for top 4 though so that's fine.

 

[SirScholes]

As long as we get through these next few games with no major blips we should be fine to get a good few wins against the lower placed teams in the league later on. We have lost Mane but Coutinho is back and he looks class as ever from that small cameo yesterday. I think Klopp can get enough out of his players to get a win against Plymouth and Swansea. After that we have another set of cruical games against Southampton and Chelsea. United needed the win more than us yesterday, I'm suprised more of you are not pissed off. But United are aiming for top 4 though so that's fine.

Meh we gifted you the game so a point is a point gained.
Both of us are chasing top 4 our title chances are just as good as Liverpools and city's
Like I say it's the small teams Liverpool have a history of failing to get motivated for.

 

[brian017]

Why is everyone so against the long ball? Yes, it may not be pretty but there's more than one way to try to win a football match. Plan A wasn't working so we switched to Plan B and it worked. I don't see what the problem is? It's not like we played long balls from minute one.

John Aldridge claimed we lacked class. Weird.

 

[Fener1907]

Why is everyone so against the long ball? Yes, it may not be pretty but there's more than one way to try to win a football match. Plan A wasn't working so we switched to Plan B and it worked. I don't see what the problem is? It's not like we played long balls from minute one.

John Aldridge claimed we lacked class. Weird.

Good question. Seems to be a hangover of the fascination with tiki-taka, as if it's unthinkable that a team wouldn't want to tap it around and meticulously work for every opening. If it works, I'm fine with whatever that system happens to be. If other fans want to act like they're football purists who insist on winning a certain way, good for them. That rigid adherence to a particular system can just as easily be your downfall.

 

[3KDré]

I don't understand it either. Even Barcelona push Pique up ahead to pump a few balls into the box when they're really desperate.

I think it's just because everyone hates United so much. It's why all these people who used to love Pogba at Juve hate him now.

 

[horsechoker]

Not as friendly as he looks.

I honestly think he's on coke

 

[Bastian]

Did Klopp really say that? I always thought he sidestepped the bullshit. They started slowing the game down from the first minute. They offered very little all game. Had we played anywhere near OK (and I'd say those were mostly unforced errors we made) we'd have torn them apart.

I'd actually be amazed if they'd win the league in the near future. They've got quite a few English players who some think are the real deal but remind me more of their 90s contingent.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

Did Klopp really say that? I always thought he sidestepped the bullshit. They started slowing the game down from the first minute. They offered very little all game. Had we played anywhere near OK (and I'd say those were mostly unforced errors we made) we'd have torn them apart.

I'd actually be amazed if they'd win the league in the near future. They've got quite a few English players who some think are the real deal but remind me more of their 90s contingent.

That's probably because deep inside he knows that aside from the Origi chance late in the game they offered absolute feck all whilst we created some really good clear cut chances. Pogba gifted them their goal with his stupidity. In the end, Jose saw what needed to be done and identified a weakness that Klopp's probably too blind or proud to admit. There's more than one way to win and it's not like we bomb boxes with long balls every game anyway.

 

[KN5]

The sooner technology is introduced into football and reduces the amount of offside goals the better (not saying this because of the Utd stat - we get our share at times too).

It is a massive flaw in the game. Every weekend, in all the big leagues there are always incidents with offside "goals" being given and vice versa (players making runs and being given off when they are miles onside). Its a fecking lottery at times.

Replay system would be great for controversial decisions and I'm shocked it hasn't been introduced yet. Refs are humans and humans make mistakes. The only issue I see with this is that it'll slow the game down, however, when there is a controversial offside goal the players spend a lifetime complaining to the referee about it so I don't think it'd be so bad.

This would also improve officiating since they'd have a stat for how many bad calls had to be overturned and therefore, it'd improve the quality of the referees, hopefully.

 

[Fridge chutney]

vs Hull 2-0
the first goal if you wanna be harsh sure, he could have been adjudged offside but personally i have seen it time and again and i dont think it is

Spoiler: Hull goals

vs Reading 4-0

Spoiler: reading goals

vs Boro 2-1
None of the 2 goals are off (remember we had a goal disallowed for a foul)

Spoiler: boro goals

vs sunderland 3-1
the mkhi goal was off yes. other 2 valid goals.

Spoiler: sunderland goals

vs Spurs 1-0
goal wasnt offside

Spoiler: spurs goal

maybe 1 goal out of this (2 including the Pool game though that was a move that was way later the call so it wasnt like you were robbed or anything).

Excellent research to put away a pathetically misguided claim.

People complaining about the offisde... There was an offside missed directly leading to the corner where Liverpool scored. Surprise surprise not one hoot about that.

 

[Rafateria]

Usually the small teams you lose points against

I'd rather have teams in the lower reaches of the PL remaining to play away than those in the Top 6.

 

[Rafateria]

If Mou does it its defensive, if Klopp does it it's tactical genius.

Kinda like how if Mou gets into it with another manager they want to ban him. When Klopp does it it's 'passion.'

Oh dear. The RedCafe went into paroxysms of delight at Moutinho's 'tactical genius' at Anfield and are now slamming Klopp in this very thread for 'long ball tactics'. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[Rafateria]

For feck sake man shut up!! You'll get me in trouble. Already been accused a few times of being a closet scouser by some paranoid twat on here.

Was hyper as feck yesterday during game. Mrs was out and I was minding my small fella. I was so engrossed in the game that I never noticed him climb over the back of the couch. Next thing I hear him roaring on the floor. He just bumped himself, no damage done, but at that point the game went to live pause for 15 mins while I calmed him down.

Dawned on me then. I'm nearly 35 years old. Probably even older than the ref yesterday. No point losing ones shit over 22 millionaires kicking a ball around.
( I'm going to the local for matches in future!!)

*winks* Bob's your uncle Agent Couch Potato - we've got your back

 

[Dante]

Oh dear. The RedCafe went into paroxysms of delight at Moutinho's 'tactical genius' at Anfield and are now slamming Klopp in this very thread for 'long ball tactics'. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Was it the same guy in each instance? Or was it different people out of the 34,000 members of this forum?

 

[Rafateria]

Excellent research to put away a pathetically misguided claim.

People complaining about the offisde... There was an offside missed directly leading to the corner where Liverpool scored. Surprise surprise not one hoot about that.

People were NOT complaining - they were laughing at a BS stat on Twatter. You obviously DIDN'T do your research .. because it wasn't offside, Rojo touched the ball last. And you notice we've not made a big thing out of the proven Valencia offside leading up to United's goal ? One-eye, it seems you have.

 

[Rafateria]

Was it the same guy in each instance? Or was it different people out of the 34,000 members of this forum?

Many. Including 07 in this case. But if you want to use a claim like that then the RAWK thread should be dissolved ! One scouser says something and it's 'deluded scousers', plural, always.

 

[Snow]

People really shouldn't lose their shit over offsides for or against them. It's not worth it. Valencia was offside, it's obvious when you freeze it but he was moving towards his goal at the same time Liverpool defenders were moving in the opposite direction. If the pass had been made 0.2 seconds later it wouldn't have been offside. These goals happen all the time and no one should lose sleep over them. It's part of the game, attackers are given the benefit of the doubt and often it's really not an advantage anyway because we're talking centimeters here. What happens just as often are players being called offside when they are slightly onside but those situations are forgotten because we don't get to see the result of the attack.

It might sound like it's easy for me to say because of who scored but you won't hear me say different when the shoe is on the other foot. The real travesty in all this was the linesman's positioning. He was way off and never even had the chance to possibly make the right call.

Still enough to blow a hole in the "United victims of refereeing conspiracy" argument though.

Nah mate. Linesmen are responsible for catching offsides. People who claim conspiracy won't be so easily swayed.

 

[Earthquake]

Oh dear. The RedCafe went into paroxysms of delight at Moutinho's 'tactical genius' at Anfield and are now slamming Klopp in this very thread for 'long ball tactics'. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Not slamming him for playing long ball, as much as complaining about United doing so, whilst doing so himself. Klopp was the (crack)pot.

 

[Rafateria]

People really shouldn't lose their shit over offsides for or against them. It's not worth it. Valencia was offside, it's obvious when you freeze it but he was moving towards his goal at the same time Liverpool defenders were moving in the opposite direction. If the pass had been made 0.2 seconds later it wouldn't have been offside. These goals happen all the time and no one should lose sleep over them. It's part of the game, attackers are given the benefit of the doubt and often it's really not an advantage anyway because we're talking centimeters here. What happens just as often are players being called offside when they are slightly onside but those situations are forgotten because we don't get to see the result of the attack.

Agreed. In fact since the advantage is supposed to be to the attacking team .... and rarely is it given ... I'd prefer the rules to say that an attacker has to be 'clearly' offside for offside to be given (or returning from an offside position). As in daylight between the attacker and the last defender, not mm or ins. That wouldn't lessen the controversies but it would encourage more attacking play and see more goals.

 

[Fridge chutney]

People were NOT complaining - they were laughing at a BS stat on Twatter. You obviously DIDN'T do your research .. because it wasn't offside, Rojo touched the ball last. And you notice we've not made a big thing out of the proven Valencia offside leading up to United's goal ? One-eye, it seems you have.

It has been mentioned ad nauseum in the media and in this, and the match thread.

And you of all posters accusing others of 'one-eye'! Pot and kettle springs to mind.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Agreed. In fact since the advantage is supposed to be to the attacking team .... and rarely is it given ... I'd prefer the rules to say that an attacker has to be 'clearly' offside for offside to be given (or returning from an offside position). As in daylight between the attacker and the last defender, not mm or ins. That wouldn't lessen the controversies but it would encourage more attacking play and see more goals.

Well I will agree wholeheartedly with you there. Unfortunately, 'clearly' is ambiguous so difficult to codify as a rule. Video replay in some form can help, just not sure how without ruining the flow of the match.

 

[berbatrick]

Van Gaal didn't "out-tactic" anyone.

Apart from ~5 matches over the 2 seasons (Arsenal*1, Spurs*1, WHU*1, Wolfsburg*1, Pool*1), there was never a time when United were tactically beaten. All of those games involved intense pressing and very fast transitions, against the immobile 4-2-3-1 (Carrick+Fellaini/Schweini).

OTOH, in the 3-0, 3-1, and 2-1 vs Liverpool, the 4-2 vs City, 3-0 vs Spurs, the 0-0 and 1-1 draws v Chelsea, United were dominant and his tactics clearly worked: lots of possession, midfield dominance helped by Blind, building from the back, using width, and always having a Plan B in Fellaini.

 

[::sonny::]

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Apart from ~5 matches over the 2 seasons (Arsenal*1, Spurs*1, WHU*1, Wolfsburg*1, Pool*1), there was never a time when United were tactically beaten. All of those games involved intense pressing and very fast transitions, against the immobile 4-2-3-1 (Carrick+Fellaini/Schweini).

OTOH, in the 3-0, 3-1, and 2-1 vs Liverpool, the 4-2 vs City, 3-0 vs Spurs, the 0-0 and 1-1 draws v Chelsea, United were dominant and his tactics clearly worked: lots of possession, midfield dominance helped by Blind, building from the back, using width, and always having a Plan B in Fellaini.

Completely disagree with first paragraph. I also couldn't give a crap about the difference between being tactically beaten or just plain old beaten. Something poor teams like Swansea managed far too often for my liking.

As for the second para, Spurs aside, they were all a bit shit when we played them. Which matters far more than any tactics. Hence these marvellous tactics failed so offen in so many other matches and loads of other managers also managed to comfortably beat the same opposition.

 

[prtk0811]

haha klopp who claims to pay rockstar football parked the bus in final 20 mins to hold on to the lead instead of putting the game to bed. Yeah we played longballs but liv were not good enough to deal with it . And long balls are a part of football. liverpool themselves played longballs in first half too.

 

[SirScholes]

I'd rather have teams in the lower reaches of the PL remaining to play away than those in the Top 6.

Agreed, but you'll still drop points

 

[prtk0811]

United's philosophy is always about playing direct counterattacking football for decades under fergie ,and that's how you play in this league which we are bringing back after 2 years of lvg but it will take more time to perfect while playing direct and playing kick and rush are two very different tactics.