Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund

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reddevilcanada said:
Really hope they win the CL - it'd be absolutely fantastic to see a team with so much less financial power yet so much quality and attractive football do so well.
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Agreed. I've always liked them anyway but this is about more than liking them. It's an inspiration to other teams that it's achievable without spending City & Chelsea-esque money.
 
Belgium media and Bild saying they have agreed a 15 million euros deal to sign Kevin De Bruyne from Chelsea.

lol Chelsea if they have done that deal.
 
duffer said:
Lol Chelsea? If that goes though we've doubled our money on a player not in our plans.
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You bought him for 7 million pounds. Selling him for 12.5 so not doubling.

Plus you would have paid some wages possibly since signing him and will go on to replace him with Schurrle for 20 million.

Right up there with the profit you made in trading Matic to Benfica along with 25 million Euros for Luiz.
 
duffer said:
Lol Chelsea? If that goes though we've doubled our money on a player not in our plans.
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More fool on you for not having him in your plans, he's a brilliant player.
 
duffer said:
I just think the club rate Mata and Hazard higher and don't want to relegate Oscar to a backup. no point have De Bruyne sitting on the bench.
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Huh? Its called rotation. Moses seems to have gotten plenty of games this year, so why cant a player who is better than him get games? Lacl of depth in attack was your problem this year(along with a shit manager). Benayoun got games ffs!
 
BD94 said:
Huh? Its called rotation. Moses seems to have gotten plenty of games this year, so why cant a player who is better than him get games? Lacl of depth in attack was your problem this year(along with a shit manager). Benayoun got games ffs!
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Look, I'd prefer De Bruyne to be given a chance but there's no point him being at the club if he is going to play as many games as Benayoun did.

And for what it's worth, I don't think we'll sell him this summer, he'll go on loan again I bet (hopefully to a prem side alone with Cortoius).

Anyway, let's not derail the thread.
 
duffer said:
Lol Chelsea? If that goes though we've doubled our money on a player not in our plans.
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He should be in your plans, he will be a top player from what iv seen. Chelsea are suffering more than ever with squad depth you could do a lot worse than having De Bruyne around the team next year.

Im actually a bit jealous of your Belgian players with Lukaku, De Bruyne, Hazard and Courtois you have a very good set of young players there.
 
It'll be disappointing if he is sold. He should go out on loan as he isn't going to benefit from being back up for our current three midfielders. Another season and I reckon he will be challenging for a starting spot.
 
The Klopp interview was amazing :lol:

His reaction to the Sun and then "Lewandowski scored a goal of goals" :lol:

 
Everything you'd want in an ideal club. I hope they can they can find a way to still be competitive in Europe and hold on to their young talents. As others have stated, they truly are a breath of fresh air. I enjoy watching their matches. Their youthful exuberance is quite refreshing and Klopp is the man! He seems like a very good man manager and tactician.

Loved the interview with Shreeves. Dortmund is a rarity these days and I hope they dont fade into the abyss anytime soon. Phenomenal club.
 
wr8_utd said:
The Klopp interview was amazing :lol:

His reaction to the Sun and then "Lewandowski scored a goal of goals" :lol:

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:lol:

He's brilliant isnt he?

Would love to see him take over from SAF in a few years time.
 
He's awesome. Has a fantastic personality, a bit mental, tactically astute, good at nurturing players, good football, seems loyal and most importantly a winner.

I think he's ideal to take over from SAF.
 
Cevno said:
Belgium media and Bild saying they have agreed a 15 million euros deal to sign Kevin De Bruyne from Chelsea.

lol Chelsea if they have done that deal.
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That'd be a great deal for Dortmund. He's looked the part for Leverkusen, he's very young and has plenty of room for improvement and he could be a proper Götze replacement. They're only spending less than a half of the amount they're going to receive for Götze and probably around 20% of their Summer budget so there'll be more deal to look forward to.

Thing I like about Klopp's management is that he replaces departing players immediately. They had Reus lined up as a replacement for Kagawa before he was gone, they had Gundogan replace Sahin and now the moment they've realised Götze was on his way out they were looking for a replacement. They probably have someone (most likely Dzeko) set to take over when Lewandowski moves on too, most likely.
 
He seems like a top guy and obviously a very good manager. I hope for his sake he doesn't go anywhere near Chelsea.
 
Castia said:
He seems like a top guy and obviously a very good manager. I hope for his sake he doesn't go anywhere near Chelsea.
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Didnt he say a few months ago that he'd turn it down and it has no interest for him. Seems like a guy with proper values who wants to atleast be given a chance.
 
Sarni said:
That'd be a great deal for Dortmund. He's looked the part for Leverkusen, he's very young and has plenty of room for improvement and he could be a proper Götze replacement. They're only spending less than a half of the amount they're going to receive for Götze and probably around 20% of their Summer budget so there'll be more deal to look forward to.

Thing I like about Klopp's management is that he replaces departing players immediately. They had Reus lined up as a replacement for Kagawa before he was gone, they had Gundogan replace Sahin and now the moment they've realised Götze was on his way out they were looking for a replacement. They probably have someone (most likely Dzeko) set to take over when Lewandowski moves on too, most likely.
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:confused:

Will be interesting if Dzeko goes there how it will affect there style.
 
Ronnie O'Sullivan said:
Poor Dortmund, everyone wants a piece of them now. They might start next season with their Gk and 3 reserves.
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Apart from Götze and maybe Lewandowski no one will leave.

They have no money problems atm and most of their players have long term contracts so why would they sell?

I just hope for their sake that no one else has a buyout clause in their contract, otherwise that would be really stupid.

On the other hand I think they will actually strengthen their team and bring in 4-5 new players this summer.
 
Cevno said:
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Will be interesting if Dzeko goes there how it will affect there style.
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I think dzeko is more than good enough to play the same sort of role. He is good at holding the ball up and his link up play is decent, may take a while to adjust but I think he could manage.
 
I dont think finding replacements in midfield is going to be hard for Klopp. IF and thats a big IF Lewandowski leaves, it would be harder to replace him.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think dzeko is more than good enough to play the same sort of role. He is good at holding the ball up and his link up play is decent, may take a while to adjust but I think he could manage.
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He's generally less mobile, slower and less fluid than Lewandowski though. Better in the air probably.

Think they'll have to build up slightly differently around him.
 
Dortmund fans' ideal signing is none other than our Shinji. They really love him over there.

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Really nice guy, i'm torn between having him or Pep as our next manager.. in terms of style of football and still being successful with charming personalities, both trump Jose and Moyes.

Such a big test for him next season, facing the juggernaut of Bayern, he has nothing to lose and all to gain.
 
I really like him. He'd be on my shortlist to replace Fergie.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think dzeko is more than good enough to play the same sort of role. He is good at holding the ball up and his link up play is decent, may take a while to adjust but I think he could manage.
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Tell that to City fans. They think he's a bit of a donkey, which I think is a bit unfair but there you go. I think his link up play is better than given credit for but his hold up play is poor for someone so big and strong, he goes down under the slightest touch.
 
He used the same tactic we did against Madrid - nullify Alonso using your CAM (Welbeck for us and Götze for them).

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/5343?cc=5901

Q: What would be the most horrible form of training that you could imagine for your players?

A: A survival camp in the wilderness. Five days in tents with the rain, without food and all about self-sufficiency. If I had the time I would do it. That would be phenomenal. I don't want to make a show out of it. It has to be real and hard to accomplish. Whoever survives such a thing, can achieve anything.

-- Dortmund dreaming despite distractions

It was a jarring answer to an intriguing question posed by Bild yet one senses that if Juergen Klopp had the power, he'd also introduce timeouts into football.



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Juergen Klopp's Dortmund isn't as deep as a club like Bayern, but he compensates with tactical planning and conditioning.
It's hard to take the Borussia Dortmund coach seriously if one were to judge him solely on his appearance: unkempt hair, unshaven face and an expression normally signifying bewilderment. Oh, not to mention his preference for track pants and the "Poehler" baseball cap rather than suits.

But after topping the group of death with BvB, winning in dramatic comeback fashion against Malaga in the Champions League quarterfinal and hammering Real Madrid in the first leg of the semis, it's obvious that his appearance doesn't matter.

Klopp's brand of football has mesmerized audiences in the Bundesliga for the past five years and is now catching admiration and respect on a global level. His coaching philosophy and tactics are quite distinct; his team plays a high-tempo, high-pressure, quick pass and transition game. The victories notched against Los Blancos, both in the semifinals and in the group stage, largely depended on Klopp's tactical ingenuity.

While most experts believed the key to winning against Madrid was to contain Cristiano Ronaldo, the German coach told the Spanish paper El Pais he directed his attention away from the striker and focused on nullifying the creative abilities of Xabi Alonso instead.

"We knew where they would send their passes, how they look for Cristiano. Our plan was to take Xabi out of the game. Because if Alonso can play as he wants it is impossible to defend against Madrid."

So he deployed Mario Goetze to keep an extra eye on Alonso, which forced the Spain international to drop deeper into his own half and therefore hampered his ability to launch long, diagonal passes out to his forwards.

"If you block Xabi, you make it so Pepe has the ball. That is a big difference."

Even against Malaga in the return leg of the quarterfinals, the BvB coach's tactical changes to use Felipe Santana and late substitute Mats Hummels as strikers in the dying minutes of the game miraculously paid off, speaking only further to his clever impromptu skills.

Behind the stubble and the impish grin, Klopp's approach yielded back-to-back Bundesliga titles for Dortmund and a 5-2 humiliation of Bayern Munich in last year's DFB-Pokal final. In fact, it wasn't until this year's German Cup quarterfinals that Bayern finally ended its losing streak against the Ruhr side (with the exception of the Super Cup).

When "Kloppo" took the reigns at Dortmund in 2008, he promised his supporters exciting football and introduced a sense of obligation toward the fans that's unheard of at other clubs. He gave them his vocabulary word to play with: Vollgasveranstaltungen. That's entertaining football played with soul and passion.

"The calculation is easy. We go out and give it our all. That's what the people want to see."

On a tactical level, it's a concept that entails different aspects. In addition to the high speed at which Dortmund plays, the idea is to disorganize the opponent. This is anchored in his use of "gegenpressing" (counter-pressing), referring to his team's ability to harass high up the pitch in order to immediately recover the ball after losing it.

At its core, Klopp relies on exploiting a momentary mental weakness in his opponents.

"The most convenient moment to win back the ball is directly after losing it. The opposition must first orient themselves, look as to where they can pass the ball," he told the local newspaper Ruhr Nachrichten.

Of course another benefit of gegenpressing is the more obvious one of cutting the distance to the opponent's net. It also allows Dortmund to control the pace of a game or slow it down when necessary.

Too add to that control is the tightness of Klopp's favorite formation, and those who have observed Dortmund in action know how compact the team plays. In an interview with 11 Freunde, Klopp said, "his 4-2-3-1 system has to remain so compact that there are only a maximum of 34 steps from Robert Lewandowski to Hummels." This meticulous spacing is what makes the formation so hard to beat, he said.

Behind the scenes, Klopp is just as influential in preparing the psychological dimension of his team. Although he denies mastering the art of motivation, many believe his optimism and positive attitude have contributed to his team's accomplishments.

"We approach every game positively, that the opponent is beatable," Klopp noted in a television interview with Sky Sports.

He added that it's only logical to focus on one game at a time, on the now rather than the past or future. While the 45-year old naturally flourishes in an inspirational role, he isn't the most enthusiastic supporter of statistics, once telling Der Tagesspiegel that he's more concerned with adaptation and how his team reacts to particular situations.

"These insights (stats) don’t tell me much. Because I must devise a plan based on the abilities of my players and not on the law of statistics."

But the few stats he is concerned with are speed, stamina, time for the body to regenerate and any information that tells him more about the players' health in order to avoid risks. Stamina, in particular, draws his curiosity. Dortmund's fitness level is one of the best in Europe despite lacking the depth on the bench as rivals Bayern. The ability to not tire easily is vital because it directly improves his players' concentration.

"Stamina cannot be practiced with the ball but with running, running and running. And the better the stamina, the more players can concentrate on their roles ... at our level you have to be exceptionally trained so that you can stay awake mentally."

But optimal mileage is just as imperative. For the German coach, the ability to think fast and run efficiently are two important components. While he agrees with Barca's Xavi in that it's important to know what to do with the ball before even receiving it, optimal mileage is just as imperative. For that reason he analyzes his team's wins to decipher which victories were run with lower and higher distances as a difference in 18-22 km is enough to determine if his players ran appropriately or wastefully.

Despite this study, his best analysis still remains re-watching games. In fact, that's how Klopp taught himself.

"I know it’s very old fashioned. Tape in, forward and rewind, forward and rewind, a thousand times. I’d spent five or six hours on a 90-minute game. I haven’t been able to do it any faster. But to be clear: This was my education, no book or seminars or anything from renowned trainers. Ten games a week and I usually started before breakfast."

Though Dortmund have lost some ground to Bayern this season, Klopp's deceptive, meticulous managerial style should keep Die Schwarzgelben amid the European elite regardless of which players come and go. Both Nuri Sahin and Shinji Kagawa were replaced smoothly by FC Nuremberg's Ilkay Guendogan and Borussia Moenchengladbach's Marco Reus respectively, though the loss of Goetze to Bayern might be a tougher sell. Not that you'd bet against Kloppo, of course.

Regardless of what happens to Dortmund in the Champions League and beyond, the scruffy scamp from Stuttgart has caught our attention, captured our imagination and earned our respect.
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Excellent article cheers for that.

Im sure Klopp will have studied our game and seen that the Alonso screening tactic worked wonderfully.

Only when we went down to 10 men and we lost that screen did we start to lose the game.

Fingers crossed Dortmund can keep all 11 men on the pitch, i think they will get to the final.
 
Interesting to study human behavior. This 'klopp can do no wrong we all suck his cock' love in, reminds me of how Mourinho was appreciated when he was on the up.

Give it a few years, if he isn't a United manager in the future, we will see the haters (mostly people who used to revere him) pop up.
 
Bayern last season and Dortmund in the group games did the same. I'm still shocked that Mourinho during his time at Real got the tactics wrong in almost every CL game against a top team. Playing another CM alongside Alonso who doesn't run around like a headless chicken and is technically not good enough at the top level would maybe help but somehow he didn't manage to fit Modric in instead of Khedira. It's like he only focused on finding a way to beat Barca and totally forgot that there are other great teams out there who might get in the way of a CL win.

I'm really curious if he finds a way to make Real's game less dependent on Alonso tonight.
 
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