I'd be pretty terrified if United had to play that version of Dortmund... although I imagine Fergie would approach the game a bit smarter and more reserved then Madrid did... but still... that was some performance.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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Yeah, they were amazing. But Mourinho was naive in the way he approached it - unusual from him - and to be honest the Madrid players let themselves down badly. They were playing well below their usual level, even accounting for how difficult it is to play against that sort of work-rate.
Yeah, I don't think Mourinho did well at all in setting Madrid up tonight... nor did he do a good job of reacting to what was happening on the pitch, something which he's generally very good at doing.
Like you said, it's unusual for him... doubley so when you consider they've already played and lost to Dortmund away this season.
Nothing away from Dortmund, they were magnificent tonight... if that had been last nights Barca they'd have got smashed as well...
Like you said, it's unusual for him... doubley so when you consider they've already played and lost to Dortmund away this season.
Nothing away from Dortmund, they were magnificent tonight... if that had been last nights Barca they'd have got smashed as well...
Klopp is a great guy, I wish them all the best and hope they go on to win the cup. He comes across as really genuine and is always quite objective. I like that he said the players felt a decision went against them then he let them know they're only through because of a dodgy decision. Spot on management. The way Fergie rates Klopps team im sure he will have mentioned him to the board.
Also I find it quite interesting how spot on fergie was at the start of the season when he named Dortmund as one of uniteds main challengers in europe and everyone kinda laughed it off. Fergie was spot on again!
In November he called all four semi finalists when he said:
"I made a point about how strong the Champions League is and therefore we'll need to perform at a really high level to do that.
"You can't go by Real Madrid and Barcelona, that's fair to say, and I do think Dortmund will be about in the Champions League this year.
"If you look at their league form, 11 points behind Bayern Munich, you can tell they're preparing themselves to do well in the competition. Those three teams have outstanding chances and I hope we can join them because we have a good squad of players."
Also I find it quite interesting how spot on fergie was at the start of the season when he named Dortmund as one of uniteds main challengers in europe and everyone kinda laughed it off. Fergie was spot on again!
In November he called all four semi finalists when he said:
"I made a point about how strong the Champions League is and therefore we'll need to perform at a really high level to do that.
"You can't go by Real Madrid and Barcelona, that's fair to say, and I do think Dortmund will be about in the Champions League this year.
"If you look at their league form, 11 points behind Bayern Munich, you can tell they're preparing themselves to do well in the competition. Those three teams have outstanding chances and I hope we can join them because we have a good squad of players."
Brilliant.
Klopp has now joined Guardiola in my list of managers who I'd like us to replace Fergie with when he retires.
Oh sorry but you couldnt be more wrong. The way they use their full backs is so effective and the runs they make are so dangerous. They are very underrated their full backs, Piszcek and Schmelzer. I think both of them are very good in attack and in defense.
I agree. First choice is still Guardiola. Second choice is either Mourinho or Klopp.
Piszcek has been absolutely brilliant this season. A very good player he is.
Wait. Lewandowski is going too? I thought that was just a rumour.
No his agent is making a lot of noise. Looks like he is going to Bayern as well.
He was asked about joining Bayern tonight and refused to answer.
He refused to talk about any kind of transfer speculation in the past too though. So nothing new there, lets his agent do the dirty work.
Did anybody see Sky Sports little bit on Klopp tonight, the man is emotional, I love that in a manager, such passion!
They were saying that it's only 18E to watch Dortmund. Far cry from the EPL prices, especially down in London.
How do their players play with such intensity? And why are so many other clubs happy not doing so?
German football now reminds me of BMW, maybe not as flashy as the Ferraris & Lamborghinis of Real & Barca but very reliable, powerful and solid.
Just heard the Subotic post game interview. Wife was asking if he plays for the US. He really hasn't lost any of the yank accent.
As I said before, it's impossible to play that kind of football, and doing well in the league and cups. Liverpool did it, but couldn't sustain it over the league rally. They once came close in the league (came 2nd) but then their players dropped like flies on the next season with injuries. It's always fishy with this type of football.
Just look at the teams from Spanish league. Once the dopping issue start being in focus, none of their team goes further in any international cup competition this year.
Id love to take Klopp here but I must admit i've only come to know him the past couple of seasons but by the time Fergie calls it day we will have a good idea of him.
I love his passion tho and his coaching team are great. Strong relationship
I love his passion tho and his coaching team are great. Strong relationship
Bayern plays with almost the same intensity and can sustain it because of their larger squad depth.
Not to mention that Dortmund are fairly comfortably second and wouldn't look so bad in the league if Bayern hadn't steamrolled the entire league this year.
It's quite sustainable to play with such intensity over an entire season, of course Dortmund just like any other team will have bad days where they can't go that pace and Bayern and Dortmund aren't the only teams in the Bundesliga that play that way, there are Hannover, Stuttgart, HSV, Leverkusen, Mainz and Freiburg who all play a fairly similar aggressive game in terms of defending albeit on a much lower quality level considering their players aren't as good as those of Dortmund and Bayern.
It isn't just Dortmund per se, but for other teams also.
If like you said, other teams in BuLi can play as intense as Bayern and Dortmund (albeit with lower quality), they'll make a better view than watching the blood and thunder of English football. But that's not the case, it seems.
It depends on what you like about football and let's not forget that player quality is quite important in terms of how attractive the play of a team looks.
Another point that probably is not as attractive for watchers of the PL, I know it's one of my major gripes, is that too many soft fouls get called which often interrupts the flow of play quite a lot.
Non the less I think the Bundesliga is one of the most entertaining leagues to watch atm and the mid to low table team football in the PL isn't anymore attractive than in the Bundesliga imo.
I really like the look of Bayern and Dortmund's style. And I'm not arguing with you if BuLi is indeed full of teams capable of playing as intense as those two, as I don't really watch that league.
Yeah, it's not like Fuentes was arrested in 2006 and that style of play developed long after that with Guardiola. By the way it's not true that Dortmund play a weak league campaign. They probably finish with around 70 points which was more often than not enough to win the league. Just because Bayern played an outstanding season and breaks every record imaginable with ease doesn't mean Dortmund are playing a bad season in the league. They've won 10 out of 13 games in 2013 with a goal difference of 39:15. Doesn't look like they can't compete in the league and the CL at the same time to me.
Haven't really seen much of him before but Klopp seems like a really nice bloke from that interview.
Can't really remember it too well but didn't Athletic Bilbao play a pretty similar style to Dortmund? Obviously nowhere near the same quality throughout the team but the system, pressing and quick passing and movement were all pretty similar iirc.
Agree about Ferguson approaching it differently though. Would have stifled them. Certainly wouldn't have conceded 4 goals.
I'm sure we would struggle a lot against their pressing even though our defenders are probably better than Madrids.
Dortmund's football is far more flashy than Madrid's.
I'd love Klopp as a successor of Fergie. Not sure he'd want to leave Germany though.
BMW? I think you meant Porsche.
no, BMW seems about right....well, BMW or Audi...
Fergie said today how good he thought Dortmund were and that he believes they will win the CL. Said their midfield is fantastic.....
by midfield he meant Lewandowski
then buy the Dortmund midfield, not their strikers.
Really hope they win the CL - it'd be absolutely fantastic to see a team with so much less financial power yet so much quality and attractive football do so well.
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