Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund

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Sam said:
Reus is top quality, but always injured. Their best players were Gotze and Ledondowski, plus Kagawa (pre-United) and Gundagon (pre-injury).

Everyone talks about Hummels, but he's ridiculously overrated because he's good on the ball. And he's well out of form. He'd struggle in the PL.
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Reus last injury was an impact one. I dont really remember the injuries he's had before the WC one. What were they?

You're going overboard regarding Hummels but I do think people here overrate him. That said, the likes of Bender, Schmelzer,Mkhitaryan are all very good players.

For us though, it'd only be Reus and Hummels that'd interest me.
 
Is Piszczek still any good? I'd take him here judging by what I've seen of him.
 
Would quite like them to go down. Just seeing how it all unfolded would be pretty interesting.
 
Hummels for 20 millions would be an okayish price to sign him after that kind of performances.

He's still a great German defender with enough strength to make it in Premier League, I think.
 
Sam said:
So they lost again, they're in the relegation zone, and most of the cafe still wants half of their players? :wenger::lol:
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Against ten men as well. Although it's probably harder to come from behind against term men.
 
Amazing the way the stock of managers can rise and fall so quickly. Especially young ones. So many examples over the years of young managers who have an impressive season or two with people hailing them as the ideal Fergie successor only for the mere suggestion to seem ridiculous a few years later. Everyone wants to get the next big thing when he's still on the way up but there's a lot to be said for focussing on the guys with the really impressive cvs. Compare and contrast Madrid under Ancelottii with Madrid under Ramos or Queroz.
 
Baffling run of results, what's gone wrong? There an absolute shadow of the team they were a few years ago, and yep losing their most important players will have had a massive impact but with the players at their disposal there still the second/third best team in the bundasliga on paper.

I would still take klopp in a heartbeat, u don't become a shit manager overnight.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Amazing the way the stock of managers can rise and fall so quickly. Especially young ones. So many examples over the years of young managers who have an impressive season or two with people hailing them as the ideal Fergie successor only for the mere suggestion to seem ridiculous a few years later. Everyone wants to get the next big thing when he's still on the way up but there's a lot to be said for focussing on the guys with the really impressive cvs. Compare and contrast Madrid under Ancelottii with Madrid under Ramos or Queroz.
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Managers, much like players often get over hyped when things are going well, then when results or performances start to regress, all of a sudden they're not as good as first thought. Look at Martinez at Everton for example, he was being hailed as the next great thing last season when they were looking like making the top four, contrast to this season and now people are questioning his ability. Klopp is a very good manager, he's proved that with what he's achieved with Dortmund over the years. However, he had a talented group of players that were successful but for one reason or another are now not getting the desired results anymore. He's lost key players and hasn't really bought very well in terms of replacements, he's also failed to adjust his tactics and playing style successfully in order to try and bring about an end to the disappointing results. It will be very interesting to see how it all works out, will he get the sack, or will he decide to walk away and take a break?
 
He's still a class manager. You don't do what he did with Dortmund over these last 7 years without being a top manager. Everyone has a bad season now and then. Still probably my number 1 choice to take over after Van Gaal, though they do have a completely different style of play. His counter attacking and playing with pace is the type of style we all always loved to see at United.
 
bosnian_red said:
He's still a class manager. You don't do what he did with Dortmund over these last 7 years without being a top manager. Everyone has a bad season now and then. Still probably my number 1 choice to take over after Van Gaal, though they do have a completely different style of play. His counter attacking and playing with pace is the type of style we all always loved to see at United.
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There's bad seasons and there's finishing in the bottom three in the league, which would be disastrous for a club of their standard.
 
Shark said:
There's bad seasons and there's finishing in the bottom three in the league, which would be disastrous for a club of their standard.
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He is a great manager though, it's just been an incredibly bizarre and horrific season for them.
 
Shark said:
There's bad seasons and there's finishing in the bottom three in the league, which would be disastrous for a club of their standard.
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It's a fluke season more then anything I think. They're bound to turn it around eventually, and I highly doubt they will be relegated, and it is a disastrous season anyways even if they get mid table, but that doesn't erase everything he's done with Dortmund with the limited budget they had. Played some of the most exciting stuff in Europe over the last few years and reached a champions league final and won the league a few times.
 
Cina said:
He is a great manager though, it's just been an incredibly bizarre and horrific season for them.
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Yeah, but if Dortmund ended up relegated I highly doubt it'd be written down as just one of those bad seasons. You just have to look at the video posted a page or so back to see that the fans are very fecking angry and rightly so.
 
Just goes to show how underrated Wenger is. We joke and laugh about how he loses his best players but one thing he has been is consistent.
 
roll on their relegation. Would certainly make getting Hummels more possible than it seemed earlier in the season!
 
bosnian_red said:
He's still a class manager. You don't do what he did with Dortmund over these last 7 years without being a top manager. Everyone has a bad season now and then. Still probably my number 1 choice to take over after Van Gaal, though they do have a completely different style of play. His counter attacking and playing with pace is the type of style we all always loved to see at United.
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It's not a bad season, it'a a complete car crash of a season. It'd be a bad season if they lingered around 5th (very bad in fact given their financial power and team strength), being in relegation zone after 19 games is beyond imagination.
 
Sandikan said:
roll on their relegation. Would certainly make getting Hummels more possible than it seemed earlier in the season!
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He's going to leave at the end of season anyway IMO. If he wants to play at Euro 16 he needs to play in CL.
 
Relegated or not, Dortmund will be a very interesting challenge on next years Football Manager
 
Barney said:
Don't agree with this at all.
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He has Boateng and Badstuber as his competition. He needs to stand out properly to get ahead of them considering the fact they play together and could have good understanding.
 
I like Dortmund but its recently had this arrogance about it that it isn't just another big club and that winning doesn't matter. Just like the Barca holier than thou facade. Once the results go against them it all goes to shit.
 
Sarni said:
He's going to leave at the end of season anyway IMO. If he wants to play at Euro 16 he needs to play in CL.
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Doubt Löw really cares about that. He picked Klose and Podolski for years despite them playing shit, sitting mostly on the bench or being at clubs without CL football. One year without CL makes no difference.
 
Sarni said:
He has Boateng and Badstuber as his competition. He needs to stand out properly to get ahead of them considering the fact they play together and could have good understanding.
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And Howedes.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
It'll be interesting for sure. There will be clubs circling them like vultures. Even if they stay up, there'll be a few that want away due to no Champions League (assuming they don't win it)
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I suspect there'll be an exodus. The best players to CL clubs and others as well.

Klopp's reputation will suffer as well. No manager in modern times has had a fall from grace as big as his will be if he takes them down. People will assume either a) he can't motivate the players or b) his tactics have been found out.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I cant understand how a team with really good players be in a relegation position? It's not like they're in teh strongest league in the world and its not like they struggled so bad last season. It just baffles me.
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Management, or players who can't be arsed.
 
RedRover said:
I suspect there'll be an exodus. The best players to CL clubs and others as well.

Klopp's reputation will suffer as well. No manager in modern times has had a fall from grace as big as his will be if he takes them down. People will assume either a) he can't motivate the players or b) his tactics have been found out.
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Yep, I doubt old Ed will be saying he's a "genius" after a good old fashioned relegation!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Amazing the way the stock of managers can rise and fall so quickly. Especially young ones. So many examples over the years of young managers who have an impressive season or two with people hailing them as the ideal Fergie successor only for the mere suggestion to seem ridiculous a few years later. Everyone wants to get the next big thing when he's still on the way up but there's a lot to be said for focussing on the guys with the really impressive cvs. Compare and contrast Madrid under Ancelottii with Madrid under Ramos or Queroz.
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I don't think that's entirely fair on Klopp. He didn't just have "an impressive season or two". He steadily took that Dortmund side up the league over a number of years before dominating and winning it two years running, achieving an all time points record along the way. I believe Bayern broke that later, but still that's no mean feat. Add to that a Champions League final. That's not exactly a Ramos or Queroz. I do agree with your overall point though.
 
Much as it's a bad situation it's not exactly dire straits just yet, if they can string a 2, or 3 wins together they could suddenly find themselves in the mid table, & I'm sure they'll easily do this at some point.

Kloop is a top manager, everyone has a rough time at some point, personally reckon he'll turn it round and they'll finish top 10.
 
Sam said:
Reus is top quality, but always injured. Their best players were Gotze and Ledondowski, plus Kagawa (pre-United) and Gundagon (pre-injury).

Everyone talks about Hummels, but he's ridiculously overrated because he's good on the ball. And he's well out of form. He'd struggle in the PL.
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That's wrong. Before this season he had an excellent fitness record. Both his injuries this season have been impact injuries so he's been unlucky. It could have happened to anyonw.
 
If the go down, I wonder how many will say theyre "too good to go down"?
 
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