Personally, I would because like Garcia, I think that he is brilliant, an with a bigger team he will be able to rotate with more ease and play his energetic football 100% of the time.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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Personally, I would because like Garcia, I think that he is brilliant, an with a bigger team he will be able to rotate with more ease and play his energetic football 100% of the time.
If Louis van Gaal gets sacked then it depends on who is available, Klopp would be one of the candidates, I can't see too many top coaches being available though and if we ended up with him then I would be excited but also very nervous because he would have to get top four.
As it is it's too early to talk about that, I think Louis van Gaal will do what he needs to keep his job and Klopp also will.
Don't forget Louis did poor in his second spell at Barcelona, second season at Bayern and in his failed world cup qualifying campaign with netherlands. He had his problems and he didn't do the right things, Klopp this season has his problems and he hasn't done the right things to sort them out, this can happen in football.
Louis van Gaal is a more proven coach in my opinion so I don't want to lose him, Shaw and Herrera were already in place but the signings of Blind, Rojo and di Maria i'm happy with, I even think Falcao was always worth the loan however it might make more sense not to sign him permanently, I would like to see what Louis van Gaal can do in the transfer market this summer.
Not a chance to stay up
They have too many tactical and mental troubles that can't be fixed.
They have too many tactical and mental troubles that can't be fixed.
They are two points from safety and have a stronger team than clubs around them.
I can't believe they are still bottom. I am pretty sure they are not going to be relegated but my word a couple of years ago they were one of the best teams in Europe.
Madness. But interesting to watch.
Madness. But interesting to watch.
Actually - that does not count anymore in that situation. The other teams around them know how to fight relegation.
I have a similar feeling, but less to do with youth. I have a feeling that *********** managers may have a shorter shelf life than the pragmatists. I suspect Fergusons, Mourinhos, Ancelottis may adapt faster and with less traumatic results than true believers in particular ideas of what constitutes good football or good tactics, like a Klopp or a Bielsa.
I'm deliberately leaving Guardiola and LvG out of that comparison.
Well, you just win games. Borussia know how to do that too and have done it more consistently than any of them prior to this season.
I'd feel sorry for Klopp, if he were to get sacked. As there were lot of times he could have left Dortmund. But I suppose that's the harsh reality of football.
It would be a stupid thing to sack him. Yes they are in terrible position but he already showed that he is the right person to lift them back again. People will say why United fans like me, who wanted Moyes sacking when we were 7th, now are saying that Dortmund shouldn't sack Klopp.
But the difference is huge, Klopp already proved himself that he can lift team from that point and guide them to another Bundesliga tittle and i am confident that he will do that if he will be given time.
I believe they would only sack him if they are convinced that he won't avoid relegation. And their motives probably wouldn't even be purely sentimental. Every other German coach they could get as a replacement would be quite a gamble.
Even Tuchel, because he only coached Mainz thus far.
Actually I would like to know why you see it like this...
The Bundesliga is very weird right now but it has changed and Klopp really stands for one system that he always talks about. And when I look onto the table it is not the pressing teams that occupy the first ranks... Leverkusen works on the same kind of tactics and they have very mixed results even if they do not have a downfall like Dortmund. His history at Mainz was that he brought them up, then got them relegated again and he left after they could not get back to the Bundesliga in the first season after. Actually the story seems to get a repeat - only now on a bigger scale. Tuchel who followed him is a total different coach I would even put more into the Guardiola kind of tactical coaches. He is more the guy that adapts his tactics to every situation and even subs 2 players at minute 25 to change them when necessary.
That this league somehow crazy just shows the following - 3rd place Gladbach sat back and had 28% ball possession in the second half last Tuesday against club near relegation Freiburg after a 1:0 lead in minute 23. Can you imagine Arsenal or Liverpool parking the bus after leading 1:0 against Hull, QPR or Barnsley? For 60 minutes?
I agree with you that at the moment his tactics don't work. But as much as i was watching Dortmund (i don't really watch other Bundesliga matches) I got the impression that the are very unlucky. They are lacking killer striker who would put away there chances. To be fair they were the better team against Augsburg. For example when Kampl had his chance he should pass to the second post and it would be easy tap-in goal for Reus.
And the goal they got was really shocking. Hummels throwing himself on the floor, 4 defenders looking at the ball acting like school boys and then unlucky touch from one of Dortmund defender which turn out like a perfect pass to Ausburg striker.
And you can see in those situations why they are strugling at the moment. They just try to much to quick, they are forcing things. The players have no confidence at the moment, even new ones like Kampl. They need to get their shit together and start to playing like organised team as they used before. It's more lack of discipline and judgement which is hurting them then bad tactics.
And yes maybe Klopp is efected so much more when he was already relegated and now how shit it is to be relegated but i still believe that he is the right man to organize Dortmund again. The are just 2 points away from relegation and i am confident they will stay in Bundesliga.
Klopp has lose the core of the team over the past couple of years. They could be doing better than what they are currently but losing players like Gotze, Lewandowski, Gundogan of a couple years back and a few others didn't help his cause. Those are all players he invested so much time and effort in, only to lose them when they're starting to provide the goods.
Question is, is Klopp a "*********** manager" at all? I have him more filed under "brilliant motivators". BVB's tactics were a novelty of course, but they are mostly credit to Co Zeljko Buvac.
If they loose to Freiburg this weekend it will get heated for Jurgen...
wanna bet?
There were reports that if they lose he would be removed as manager. But that could just be rubbish.
Is there a a source for this "Klopp does the talk, Buvac does the rest" rumour. I've seen several people claim that but I don't recall ever reading anything to support it.
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http://www.zeit.de/sport/2013-10/buvac-klopp-dortmund-cotrainer
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/klopps-assistenz-buvac-im-schatten-der-rampensau-1.1784625
read it somewhere recently too, couldn't find it again tho
I don't know about that and if something changed tactically this season, but Dortmund have been a mess.
Louis van Gaal is a funny one, he says his tactics always depend on the opposition and he has also said counter attacking football is the best way to score.
Like Guardiola, him keeping the ball is his way of parking the bus, it's for defence not attack. I also think it's evident he is always tinkering his tactics and making changes depending on his prediction of how the opposition will play.
I'm not sure how much Klopp changes his tactics from game to game, I don't watch enough Bundesliga to know, this is where the idealist or *********** also demonstrates pragmatism, even Wenger now finally is showing pragmatism for example the City game, Spurs game and he will do this too at Stamford Bridge and at Old Trafford.
Mourinho or Ferguson also have their philosophy and their way of doing things like Louis van Gaal or Guardiola, their pragmatism lies in their desire to adapt to the opposition but this is not different to Louis van Gaal or Guardiola.
We have seen it with LvG being more conservative this season and in the world cup too, he has also demonstrated it in big games both this season and in the past, with Guardiola it's there in a subtle way but that's only because his sides are so good they don't need to be that adaptable, if he were coach of United then we would see more of his pragmatism, away at the Nou Camp in the champions league might be interesting.
the second article you posted actually explicitly contradicts that rumour
Als Klopp/Buvac vor gut fünf Jahren zur Borussia kamen, ging sogar das Vorurteil, Buvac sei der Kopf, Klopp nur der, der die Weisheiten des genialen Assistenten verwerte. Das, so stellte sich bald heraus, war dann doch eine ziemliche Fehlinterpretation. Aber wenn man BVB-Spielern glaubt, dürfte Buvac ein ebenbürtiger Sparringspartner für die Öffentlichkeits-Maschine Klopp sein, wenn es um das Heben stiller taktischer Reserven der Mannschaft geht.
Which roughly translates to "when both coaches came to Dortmund there was actually the preconception that Buvac is the head and Klopp just implements his wisdom. But that interpretation soon turned out to be wrong. HOwever if BVB players are to be believed then Buvac is an equal sparring partner for Klopp when it comes to hidden tactical reserves of the team.
I wouldn't call Klopp a *********** though, he just sees good pressing and quick transitions as the foundation of a successful team. A belief which is probably shared by most coaches at the moment.
Finally a win!
That third goal was a beauty. 
He remains a quality manager. I would even understand Dortmund if they were to get rid off him if they feel something has to change, but that wouldn't mean any less that he is quality.
It's not like he is a one season wonder who got top 4 once, he instead has won 2 Bundesliga titles in a row, has reached a CL final, has won the CL group of death in 2012/13 and 2013/14 and even in this catastrophic year for them they still won a not so easy CL group.
No doubt this season has been very bad, but this can happen at times. LvG was very bad with Barca a few years ago and we have seen this season that after being Europe's top spenders and despite DDG's heroics we are still just 4th. Who knows what would have happened without that spending and DDG.
Then the less said about last season the better. DDG was voted our player of the season by both fans and players and we finished 7th. Without him we would have been fighting relegation. Indeed there was a prolonged period where we were getting 1 point per game on average, which is relegation form.
And Klopp doesn't even has the luxury of our spending.
If they survive this season then he and Dortmund will come out stronger and they will need a slight adaptation in strategy: they will understand that you can't for ever get away with buying bargains and that from time to time, real quality, maybe even overpriced, is needed. And they certainly have the money for this (and the money to afford a season without CL).
It's not like he is a one season wonder who got top 4 once, he instead has won 2 Bundesliga titles in a row, has reached a CL final, has won the CL group of death in 2012/13 and 2013/14 and even in this catastrophic year for them they still won a not so easy CL group.
No doubt this season has been very bad, but this can happen at times. LvG was very bad with Barca a few years ago and we have seen this season that after being Europe's top spenders and despite DDG's heroics we are still just 4th. Who knows what would have happened without that spending and DDG.
Then the less said about last season the better. DDG was voted our player of the season by both fans and players and we finished 7th. Without him we would have been fighting relegation. Indeed there was a prolonged period where we were getting 1 point per game on average, which is relegation form.
And Klopp doesn't even has the luxury of our spending.
If they survive this season then he and Dortmund will come out stronger and they will need a slight adaptation in strategy: they will understand that you can't for ever get away with buying bargains and that from time to time, real quality, maybe even overpriced, is needed. And they certainly have the money for this (and the money to afford a season without CL).
They only won cause I put a pound on them to be relegated.
So he's the new Kevin Keegan? Could be...
They wont go down(that talk is nonsense, they are too good and 5 to 7 other team will be behind them after the last game for sure).
And they could very well make a deep cup and/or CL run.
Make EL with the cup(final) and all is fine.
Dortmund will be around the Bundesliga top after this season.
End of story, really.
Honigstein is a great journalist but he also makes stuff up sometimes, the Pep "problems" in his first months for example and is too pesimistic.
IF Dortmund is till around the last 6 in late march, perhaps.
But they are sold on him in Dortmund.
I also dont buy the "his Co is the brain" talk. Any great coach has to endure that.
Klopp made his ideas, you always hear and read this.
The first half was crazy in the league(won the supercup and his CL group btw).
A big package of bad luck and problems was due to happen after some crazy good years when he turned average into gold(and I dont even like him that much anymore).
And they could very well make a deep cup and/or CL run.
Make EL with the cup(final) and all is fine.
Dortmund will be around the Bundesliga top after this season.
End of story, really.
Honigstein is a great journalist but he also makes stuff up sometimes, the Pep "problems" in his first months for example and is too pesimistic.
IF Dortmund is till around the last 6 in late march, perhaps.
But they are sold on him in Dortmund.
I also dont buy the "his Co is the brain" talk. Any great coach has to endure that.
Klopp made his ideas, you always hear and read this.
The first half was crazy in the league(won the supercup and his CL group btw).
A big package of bad luck and problems was due to happen after some crazy good years when he turned average into gold(and I dont even like him that much anymore).
according to "kicker", Reus is going to extend his BVB contract
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...rtikel_marco-reus_warten-auf-das-ja-wort.html
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...rtikel_marco-reus_warten-auf-das-ja-wort.html
It's a done deal now.
Never expected that to happen, especially not in their currently crisis. Respect for BVB and Reus!
Never expected that to happen, especially not in their currently crisis. Respect for BVB and Reus!
It's a done deal now.
Never expected that to happen, especially not in their currently crisis. Respect for BVB and Reus!
Well, he had no where to go, without a driving license
They won.
Dude I think your stream is lagging hard.
According to Bild, Gündogan will follow Reus' example and extend his contract as well, it might even be announced this week before the derby against Schalke. It would be the next huge sign that the club overall still is developing incredibly well despite the horrible season in the league so far. It would also mean that they most likely won't lose any key player in the summer. Gündogan is the only irreplaceable player in the team, whose contract ends in 2016.
Subotic is the only other important player with only one year left on his contract, but with Sokratis and Ginter already in the team, it wouldn't be a big blow if he wants to leave. I haven't heard any rumours about him lately, so no idea if he wants to stay or leave.
Subotic is the only other important player with only one year left on his contract, but with Sokratis and Ginter already in the team, it wouldn't be a big blow if he wants to leave. I haven't heard any rumours about him lately, so no idea if he wants to stay or leave.
What a couple of weeks that would be for Dortmund if Gündogan signs a new long-term contract..
Subotic hasn't been the same since his ACL injury and even before that he was a good CB, but far from irreplaceable.
Subotic hasn't been the same since his ACL injury and even before that he was a good CB, but far from irreplaceable.
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They deserve a chance to rebuild. It would be a shame if players left the club after one bad season. Will be wonderful if they can tie down Gundogan as well.
They don't need a rebuild, they need to perform well and keep their best players. It's still a young squad and it's not like they lost half the team now that Sahin and Kagawa are back and started to perform better. They have less and less injuries, still a lot of individual quality and enough depth in the squad to do well in all competitions.
Then stop looking at them then, you bastards.
They went through a rough patch similar to ours with tons of injuries to key players. I think they are in a dire need of a break where they can sit down and breathe without feeling any pressure. I'm sure we'll see the old Dortmund and a less ageing Klopp next season.
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