Football, bloody hell.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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This is truly baffling... something must be very wrong behind the scenes for this to happen. It is an old cliche but that team is too good to be anywhere near relegation
Look at him at the end of the game, he looks pathetic. How is he supposed to pick up the players when he looks like a lost kid ? They should mercy sack him.
To be fair to Klopp, they were all staggered at what Weidenfeller and Hummels were doing.
Agree with this.
This is the same Hummels that half of the Caf deems to be the saviour of our defence?
? I think it was very admirable for Hummels to do that, more so Weidenfeller. Giant balls of steel.
Took balls for Hummels to do that.
This is the same Hummels that half of the Caf deems to be the saviour of our defence?
Hummels would play infinitely better in a team that is playing well. Dortmund are not very bad defensively, their main problem is that they cannot get a goal or create anything.
Very possible. If they lose to Freiburg they could be 5 points away from a secure position with 14 games to go, having lost 12 of their 20 games. That would be terrible.
Ah right. I assumed they'd made some defensive balls-up not that they were the ones going to placate the crowd. My bad.
Nah the reverse, they went over there by choice at the end of the game to try and rally the crowd while the rest of the squad + manager stood staring at them.
Really bizarre how far they've fallen in such a short period of time. As @Ramshock said, there has to be something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. It's not like Dortmund is full of pub-level players.
Looks like his "I'm your buddy" approach doesn't work that well in these situations. I hope he can turn it around, tho.
Good post.
It's quite spectacular isn't it. From 2nd to last in 9 months. I wonder what the catalyst for the collapse is really? I know they've lost big players in successive seasons but they should be way better than they're doing.
Always thought he was a bit overrated same like Rodgers. He build a really good team playing great football for a while, but he also had a really good batch of players and a Bayern side in transition. IMO he is a bit short in terms of character when it will come to manage a top side. A lot of this downfall is due to his poor transfer business and completely unable to replace the quality players that left.
How much damage will this season have done to his reputation, do we think? Surely clubs that are somewhat interested in Klopp will be wary of how this season has transpired.
Mourinho never sat in the relegation zone with less than mid season to go. Out of the top of my mind I can't think of a top manager that managed to get his team in such a freefall for such a short time.
He really needs to regain his reputation, as for me this season it took a massive hit. For me he should not be mentioned as a possible LvG successor as he'd struggle at United as well. Last season he lost key players and finished 30+ points behind Bayern. This season he lost Lewa and he's dead last. IMO he has done pretty poorly on the transfer market in the last 2 seasons.
If we compare him to Simeone's Athletico for example, where he lost top players year after year and still goes toe to toe with the two teams that have like 10 times his budget.
Immobile, Kampl, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang, Sokratis et al. are all quality additions/replacements imo.
I take it you haven't watched Dortmund this season. The bolded especially have been abysmal.
It's been half a season with an injury ridden squad, ffs. After their titles in '11 and '12 he managed to cope with several departures (Kagawa, Sahin, Götze) and long-term injuries to key players (Reus, Gündoğan, Hummels) and got them to the CL final and two times' runner-up to an unapproachable Bayern with respectively 16 and 17 points above the third place. He signed Reus from Gladbach, a player all top teams in Europe want are after right now. Those are all big achievements if you ask me. He's obviously a great manager but the chemistry with the team has worn out I'm afraid. A major change is needed or they'll struggle to survive. I still think they'll end up somewhere midtable but I am starting to think it's better for Klopp and Dortmund that he resigns.
Reus was one of the better player in the league even before Klopp bought him, so he's hardly responsible for him being wanted by big clubs.
I honestly don't think I've ever seen him have any thing other than an absolute shocker.
He was already a (very) good player without question, but I'd think there is reason why not too many big clubs were in for him back then (if I remember correctly). Klopp certainly deserves some praise for the way Reus developed into the player he is today.
He's top manager, no doubt, but IMO he did very poorly on the transfer market, which is the main reason for the demise. But what is even more odd is the complete lack of tactical discipline this season. The goals they are shipping in, the complete inability to create chances.. It's like watching Moyes United.
Not undermining what he did, but I think the hype was a bit over the top.
I never contested they are playing poorly. I still think they are/were quality signings for dortmund at the time. I rate them all very highly.
The reason was that he never had played internationally before. The usual targets for the big clubs are usually players that even from lower leagues already have international experience - but Reus did not even have that at youth level.
The last two times he just went straight to the dressing room... - and got badly critisized for that.
I can't remember if other big clubs were after him, but I know he was well known name back then too, he scored around 20 goals for Gladbach side that played beautiful football the season before he signed for Dortmund.
And I found this:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11899/7411001/reus-agrees-dortmund-move
Which says big clubs were interested in him back then too.
David Moyes wouldn't have taken that team to back to back titles and a Champions League final. That's the difference. Where they are now is shocking but it's only shocking to this extent because of the heights they'd previously reached under Klopp himself.
Yeah, I remember seeing that. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already checked out mentally, we had a similar issue with Vidic at times last season. Personally feel we've a big chance of signing him in the summer.
He's a very good defender, one of the best with the ball. He'll certainly take the flak this season, and his value should drop, but that will be good for us. Regardless being relegated or not the issue is not him.
Rio was also relegated with West Ham, he turned out fine afterwards.
Looks like the players are severely letting themselves down, and Klopp can't seem to reach out to them. I wouldn't be surprised if he was fired before the season ends.
Klopp needs to go. He's a great manager, but he won't get them out this mess.
It's hard for someone to constantly remain successful and constantly build new sides.
It's hard for someone to constantly remain successful and constantly build new sides.
Still think it'll be difficult for Dortmund to sack him, they know he could still command a high fee from an interested club.
I made a comment earlier in this thread putting Klopp down. I really hope he and Dortmund can turn this around and prove people like me wrong. I really like it when people and teams overcome whatever adversity gets in the way of success.
David Moyes was just an example, Like i said before,you are only as good as your current achievement - Dortmund haven't won any major trophy since the 2011/12 season and despite their 2013 UCL final appearance it is time for people to start judging Klopp on his recent form and not his past accolades - i never called him a bad coach, just think he is a tad bit overrated i mean the current meltdown his team is having is evident of this,besides his last coaching role saw a similar pattern where he took Mainz to the Bundesliga and also to the Europa League then ultimately got them relegated.
Even the man responsible for Dortmund's golden era - Ottmar Hitzfeld who won 2 league titles and 1 UCL title with Dortmund was forced to leave to Bayern Munich due to frictions with the team.
Would Arsenal fans take him? I think he'd be the perfect successor to Wenger, and someone they should look to bring in this summer. How this season has transpired, though, may change people's minds.
The way i see it the Bundesliga cycle is taking place, it happened to Wolfsburg,Stuttgart and Werder Bremen - they all snatched the title from the claws of the Bavarians for at least a season - before social media became huge - and ended up losing some of their star players - Klose,Gomez,Dzeko,Khedira etc they all entered into rebuilding mode.
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