Their net spend is 7-8 million since he took over in 2008, they won the Bundesliga twice, won the German cup and are now insanely strong in the Champions League.
Yeah, I'd say he's doing great
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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Their net spend is 7-8 million since he took over in 2008, they won the Bundesliga twice, won the German cup and are now insanely strong in the Champions League.
Yeah, I'd say he's doing great
Just a few years ago, not that long ago, there was an emphasis put on teams built firstly on defence. Tactical tendencies like that are cyclic, I suppose it was a combination of a will of the managers and also the fact you had some of the best CB pairings at the peak of their careers.
But over the last couple of years, there seems to be less importance given to defence (that's not to say defences have suddenly become poor, it's just a reflection of the systems that are played), and more emphasis on attacking skill. It makes it harder for defences as well, so it's a bit of a vicious circle in any case.
As in - Who else better to take over once the inevitable happens
The wheel's still in spin and, hopefully, will be for a long time.
I don't think it's concentration it's more a mix of lack of experience and not being very dominant in the air.
That being said I feel Dortmund did a great job defensively but of course controlling the attacking power Real threw at them in the second would be a problem for any defense.
But of course they also were to passive in the second half and maybe a bit intimidated by the offensive onslaught Real kept throwing at them in the second half, which again comes back to the problem of missing experience.
Non the less getting 4 points against Real is probably more then Dortmund would ever have hoped for and a very good result.
I just hope they will get now the last needed point against City so we can enjoy them a bit longer in the CL.
Borussia Dortmund - Back In The Game (The Swiss Rambler)
http://swissramble.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/borussia-dortmund-back-in-game.html
http://swissramble.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/borussia-dortmund-back-in-game.html
I'd actually be somewhat concerned if we drew them in the next round. Bilbao all over again if we don't line up appropriately (I say Bilbao, but this Dortmund team is stronger - I just mean in terms of getting completely dicked on in midfield by the quality and pressing of their players).
0-2 up against Ajax before half-time.
They really are looking slick in Europe this season. Let's hope they top their group as I really wouldn't fancy meeting them in the next round. In fact, whoever draws the losers of this group (either Dortmund or Madrid) will be getting a tough draw.
They really are looking slick in Europe this season. Let's hope they top their group as I really wouldn't fancy meeting them in the next round. In fact, whoever draws the losers of this group (either Dortmund or Madrid) will be getting a tough draw.
How was their overall play in this match? Quality attractive football we've come to expect in the last couple of seasons?
Pretty mature performance actually.
Not all out attack but very stable at the back and quite deadly in front of goal.
They only had 5 shots on goal but 4 of them went in.
Great for them to finish first in this group though, I actually didn't give them much chance of finishing anything higher then 3rd at the start of this CL season.
Not all out attack but very stable at the back and quite deadly in front of goal.
They only had 5 shots on goal but 4 of them went in.
Great for them to finish first in this group though, I actually didn't give them much chance of finishing anything higher then 3rd at the start of this CL season.
Kudos where its due.
They play some lovely stuff, very pacey counter attacks and when they put the pressure on like they did with City they can really shred teams up. Klopp has also done a restinkulously good job with them so far.
I just do not understand why everybody in Europe let's them play on counter attacks. They had 31 % ball possession - and 70 per cent pass accuracy.
I guess for them right now it is easier to play in Europe then in the Bundesliga where there is so much teams that sit back and wait and try to break on their own.
I guess for them right now it is easier to play in Europe then in the Bundesliga where there is so much teams that sit back and wait and try to break on their own.
I just do not understand why everybody in Europe let's them play on counter attacks. They had 31 % ball possession - and 70 per cent pass accuracy.
I guess for them right now it is easier to play in Europe then in the Bundesliga where there is so much teams that sit back and wait and try to break on their own.
They are pretty much back on track in the Bundesliga as well and Dortmund as always been a team that relies on their quick transition if they press or sit deep really doesn't make a big difference.
You as a Bayern fan should actually know that from the last two years.
Oh it also helped that they got the lead in every game in the CL this season forcing their opponents to play more open.
They are pretty much back on track in the Bundesliga as well and Dortmund as always been a team that relies on their quick transition if they press or sit deep really doesn't make a big difference.
You as a Bayern fan should actually know that from the last two years.
Oh it also helped that they got the lead in every game in the CL this season forcing their opponents to play more open.
No, I just remark that they have more problems if they play against teams that have similar tactics. ManCity with their usual tactics would be an easy prey for them - that was about pretty clear before the match. Against Real they were a little lucky. But I just thought that Ajax would be better organized at home and that they would not fall into the same trap.
Dortmund is pretty good at that what they do. You are not allowed to make much mistakes because they can (not always) be clinical. But they have many weaknesses, too.
Other than Mourinho and Pep, is there a more suitable manager for our hotseat when Fergie steps aside?
Develops youth, known for attacking football, balances the books and seems very likeable and respected.
I'd take him in a heart beat.
Develops youth, known for attacking football, balances the books and seems very likeable and respected.
I'd take him in a heart beat.
I've actually just given up trying to think who's most likely the best candidate. All three of those mentioned are damn good managers. Moureen has a win average that puts him tops if you wanna go by stats. He's got something like a 70% chance of winning. Pep is just behind at around 68% and I think Klopp is around the 60% mark bearing in mind he was at Mainz for something like 7 years before Dortmund.
The most exciting team I've seen this season, it'll be interesting to see how far they can go in the CL.
I just do not understand why everybody in Europe let's them play on counter attacks. They had 31 % ball possession - and 70 per cent pass accuracy.
I guess for them right now it is easier to play in Europe then in the Bundesliga where there is so much teams that sit back and wait and try to break on their own.
It'l be the same here so lets hope this season's domestic blip is just a one off. Not that we're in for him but just to see if he can adabt as well.
The best transition team in Europe at the moment.
Aye if we can't get Mou or Pep he'd be top of the list for me. All depends on whether he would leave a very good team that he has gelled together.
Let's just get Klopp and make him bring half that team with him.
I'd be very worried if we got them in the CL.
I'd be very worried if we got them in the CL.
At the start of the season I thought they were just "dark horses". Now I'd say they have as good a chance as anyone to win the damn thing, other than Barca perhaps. They basically just cruised their way through the "group of death", outplaying every team home and away, and were actually unlucky not to have picked up maximum points from every game.
More importantly, they have shown that you don't need to buy every thing under the sun to compete at the top, ironically against the poster boys of this philosophy-Madrid and City-both of whom have the most expensive squads in football history.
More importantly, they have shown that you don't need to buy every thing under the sun to compete at the top, ironically against the poster boys of this philosophy-Madrid and City-both of whom have the most expensive squads in football history.
There scouting system must be class and also their youth work. So many talents coming through their system or are bought early by them for cheap.
Dortmund & Juventus have shown that by getting in a good manager, who can build a good team as opposed to an expensive one, then the financial obstacles put up by the likes of City & Chelsea are easily surmountable.
Apart from Götze none of their players came of their own youth work. They even send Reus and Grosskreutz go from their U15s because of judging their development wrong...
It is the youth work of teams like 1860 Munich etc. that is to be admired... - but it is not their own youth work. The young players at Dortmund have not come from the U19 of the club apart from Goetze - and he probably would have developed everywhere.
Dortmund - like a lot of the other clubs in Germany right now (Freiburg probably is best with it) use the talents Germany gets out of their academies right now very well and has built them into the teams. Some older players - even some that have caps - do not get any contracts anymore.
It is not only Dortmund - Schalke plays with Draxler 19, Holtby 21, Papadoupoulous 20, Matip 21, Neustädter 23.
At Bayern it is Alaba 20, Kroos 22, Müller 23, Badstuber 23 - in difference to Dortmund 6 or 7 out of the starting 11 usually are from their own youth department.
Schmelzer was also part of the youth set-up I think.
Schmelzer came to Dortmund with 17.5 from Magdeburg - he played 2 seasons for the U19.
Which gives me some hope for Liverpool.
Over a couple of one-off matches.
Juve have been reasonably expensively assembled in fairness.
Before Conte era yes, but after it no. The problem of Juve finances is that they have still many players in payroll (Amauri, Iaquinta) who are payed even more than first team players.
Conte has done a great job at them, both financialy and footballing wise.
What's this supposed to mean? Both of them won their domestic leagues last season.
Anyone interested in the inside story behind Klopp and Dortmund's rise should check out FourFourTwo this month. It perhaps gives birth to an interesting new phrase "Monsters of Mentality" which is what Klopp uses to describe his young team. It's a decent read and sheds some light on how the club views itself after nearly capitulating a few years back, why Klopp wears "that tracksuit" and how they prepare for games.
An interesting feature of their training is the "Footbonaut" which I had never heard of before...Hmmmm....
http://www.bvb.de/?%E1%80%ECY%1B%E7%F4%9C%5Dj%E6%82%9F
An interesting feature of their training is the "Footbonaut" which I had never heard of before...Hmmmm....
http://www.bvb.de/?%E1%80%ECY%1B%E7%F4%9C%5Dj%E6%82%9F
Never seen that before. Very impressive. Would certainly help a player develop control and vision
I have noticed that when Dortmund players go in for headers and 60/40 balls that they often find their own man with them. I wonder if that type of training helps with that.
It amused me in the City - Liverpool game last weekend. Carragher went for a header largely unchallenged, he just ran up to the ball and headed it as hard as he could to no one 40 years down the pitch, it just seemed emblematic of the old English footballing ethos that has seen us drop further behind on the international stage.
It amused me in the City - Liverpool game last weekend. Carragher went for a header largely unchallenged, he just ran up to the ball and headed it as hard as he could to no one 40 years down the pitch, it just seemed emblematic of the old English footballing ethos that has seen us drop further behind on the international stage.
Aye there always seems to be a purpose with Dortmund, thinking about their actions and movement before they do it....as tempting as it might be to attack the ball in a complete boneheaded manner a la Mr Carragher, perhaps if I just knock it down to the guy on my left he has all the space in the world to start an attack? I mean look at Hummels, he is a centre back and is often man marked by strikers due to his utter intelligence both in distribution and the timing of his tackling, heading and passing.
I suppose the training with that machine helps with quick decision making that can make all the difference on the pitch.
I wonder if we have that machine? Either way it's bloody cool, wish I had that when growing up
Congratulations to him and Dortmund. He was humble in the post match interview.
Drenched in passion. I really hope we reel him in after the day the great man steps down.
Drenched in passion. I really hope we reel him in after the day the great man steps down.
I love the guy and I really fancy Dortmund to win the CL. Not much chance I think but they play great football, are no plastic club, brining through young players year for year without signing any big names.
I really like them a lot. Would love them to make it.
I really like them a lot. Would love them to make it.
I love how he has them playing and I love his passion on the side of the pitch. At times when things aren't going their way, he's truly scary. Wasn't ever much into German football but himself and his team have made me take an interest over the last few years. It's a club I really like and I respect all the work he's done for them.
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