Well the Klopp dream is over, at least he said, "I feel very familiar with their wonderful fans". One day.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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I'd like to hope that in 4 years time after Van Gaal has fallen out with everyone we'll get this guy in. Four years is a long time though, plenty of clubs may be needing a manager then and our new manager may have been brilliant making it hard for us to even have a vacancy.
I think players have a very limited career. 10 years at the top max for the best players. Managers on the other hand have atleast 15-20 years(atleast) if they are actually good.
But I agree with you on the rest of it though. Klopp has got every incentive and a perfect environment at United. He would be loved too! And he would be a drastically fresh breathe of air after Moyes. Even I want him here. But I really think that it is not possible in the immediate future. Look at that man's passion for the work he does, his players, his team, his fans, his club. He doesnt look like a man to be swayed by money. If he was, he would have been at the vacant Real Madrid position last year. Im sure Florentino Perez tapped him up. If we pride ourselves being a club where we value home grown and nurtured success over stars brought with loads of money, then we also ought to respect that man's passion and not try to coerce him with money. That would be really cheap.
He doesn't want the job because he's contracted to Dortmund - Not that he doesn't want it fullstop.
IMO he is just being respectful. If we agree a fair package with Dortmund i'm sure he will be more than happy.
IMO he is just being respectful. If we agree a fair package with Dortmund i'm sure he will be more than happy.
Not a dig at you personally Sarni, but at many on the Caf instead!
How the hell has LvG become the most realistic shit-hottest manager on the planet after Klopp (amongst United fans) i'll never know. I really cant believe what i'm hearing from alot of you. We just got rid of one rotten apple & now you's want to bring another one in?
His name only came into club management reckoning again once he was connected to the Spurs job. Why did Spurs think they had a great chance of gettin LvG i ask? Because no top club would want him, thats why!
I'll be astounded if LvG is our 1st choice.. disgusted more to the point!
I want him so badly . It just feels right. Like it is meant to be. He would be brilliant.
. It just feels right. Like it is meant to be. He would be brilliant.Not a dig at you personally Sarni, but at many on the Caf instead!
How the hell has LvG become the most realistic shit-hottest manager on the planet after Klopp (amongst United fans) i'll never know. I really cant believe what i'm hearing from alot of you. We just got rid of one rotten apple & now you's want to bring another one in?
His name only came into club management reckoning again once he was connected to the Spurs job. Why did Spurs think they had a great chance of gettin LvG i ask? Because no top club would want him, thats why!
I'll be astounded if LvG is our 1st choice.. disgusted more to the point!
Prepare to be disgusted.
I want him so badly
Anyone other than Klopp coming in and i will feel a tad disappointed myself. Unfortunately, he does have a long term contract and seems like a very loyal man. As much as i would love for this to happen, i feel that it might be too early unfortunately.
We need to persuade Dortmund to clip klopp's contract.
Send Shinji over dressed as a geisha.
Not a dig at you personally Sarni, but at many on the Caf instead!
How the hell has LvG become the most realistic shit-hottest manager on the planet after Klopp (amongst United fans) i'll never know. I really cant believe what i'm hearing from alot of you. We just got rid of one rotten apple & now you's want to bring another one in?
His name only came into club management reckoning again once he was connected to the Spurs job. Why did Spurs think they had a great chance of gettin LvG i ask? Because no top club would want him, thats why!
I'll be astounded if LvG is our 1st choice.. disgusted more to the point!
Are you seriously comparing van Gaal to Moyes? Have you seen van Gaal's CV? Van Gaal is not the hottest manager in the world because his personality can be difficult at times, but no one can seriously doubt his competence?
Look at the football Bayern played before him, he layed the foundation for their treble winning season.
Wrong thread for this discussion though
If this was our one major signing this summer, I would take it now.
Clutching at straws.
Me too. Got to squash all hope I have though. It isn't gonna happen.
He's probably saying the truth but I want to believe he's not going to say in the run in that he wants the job publicly.
Not a dig at you personally Sarni, but at many on the Caf instead!
How the hell has LvG become the most realistic shit-hottest manager on the planet after Klopp (amongst United fans) i'll never know. I really cant believe what i'm hearing from alot of you. We just got rid of one rotten apple & now you's want to bring another one in?
His name only came into club management reckoning again once he was connected to the Spurs job. Why did Spurs think they had a great chance of gettin LvG i ask? Because no top club would want him, thats why!
I'll be astounded if LvG is our 1st choice.. disgusted more to the point!
lets say klopp is the first choice and he is not interested in leaving dortmund
lets say we want simeone but he is happy at athletico
we try our luck with pep and jose and then back out knowing bayern and chelsea would tell us publicly to do one
we then think right - blanc ex player doing well at psg and psg politely point out he is under contracts and could we please do one
we try conte and juventus refer us to the answer psg just gave us
we think ok what about managers who might be free after the world cup and we approach del bosque who is not interested - nor is low...
in reality there are not that many managers available so although we may try behind the scenes for somebody else it seems logical that van gaal is at least the early favourite as he is actually available and we are actually allowed to talk to him - it would be remis of us not to at least discuss it with him if we don't have any better options available
There is nothing in the press from what I've read about a possible link between Klopp and United. Sport Bild only have an article saying that LvG might come to replace Moyes.
do.ob said it before me, he has a contract until 2018 and will respect that. He is just not a guy that leaves like that. He loves Dortmund very much and I highly doubt any amount of money would persuade him.
Cool, thanks!
Not a dig at you personally Sarni, but at many on the Caf instead!
How the hell has LvG become the most realistic shit-hottest manager on the planet after Klopp (amongst United fans) i'll never know. I really cant believe what i'm hearing from alot of you. We just got rid of one rotten apple & now you's want to bring another one in?
His name only came into club management reckoning again once he was connected to the Spurs job. Why did Spurs think they had a great chance of gettin LvG i ask? Because no top club would want him, thats why!
I'll be astounded if LvG is our 1st choice.. disgusted more to the point!
In Van Gaal's last club job he was one win away from winning the treble for the first time in Bayern Munich's history so I'm not sure why you would call him a rotten apple? Especially seeing as at his previous club, AZ Alkmaar, they won the title for the first time in 25 years (which is reminiscent of Sir Alex's league triumph with Aberdeen). The Bayern fans all speak highly of him. A flawed manager of course, but one who apparently played an important part in getting them on their way to being the best club side in the world.
Players have a limited career alright man & most will take their opportunities to play for the bigger clubs - quite rightly so. Once in a life-time for many!
Managers, as you say, have about 20 years life-span, but their careers can take a massive dip & top jobs wont become available. Just look at how many have been linked with the United job over the years. Managers that have struggled to get clubs or have been sacked numerous times since the possible successor link to United originated. I'll just throw in a few of the old United heads - McClaren, Querioz, Hughes, Bruce, Ince & even Ole has been touted.. It takes years to build a managerial reputation & only one or two to destroy it.
I say he jumps ship & comes to United. I dont give a shite about morals & managers contracts - lets be pricks like the rest of them..
See you in two/three years Mr Klopp.
Football doesnt work like that. This may be Klopps only window for the job. Maybe Uniteds only window for him as well.
There's plenty of precedents of managers going to big clubs over time. Clubs that they initially rejected, but then worked for.
Mourinho signed for Inter and turned down Madrid in the process. In a couple of years, he's managing madrid. Klopp still has a future at United.
we should send him snapchats of kagawa in various skimpy red negligees and promise him whatsapps he can keep if he signs.
No chance of him coming this time round, as proven from his quotes.
His contract is up in 2018. I'd say he may consider leaving in 2/3 years time. Get Van Gaal up to steady the ship until then.
All due respect, i think you meant "domestic treble" man... Not bein twattish either!
He has a good record alright, but so did Trappatoni at one time!
I've a major problem with his flaws as a person - same as Mourinho. I'd like our club to be perceived in the best light, not with some dickhead representing it. Fergie had his flaws, but he's 10 times the man that those other two are & deep-down everyone respected the fecker even if they hated all the time.
What time is Van Gaal gonna have to assess the squad, deal with the many departures, look at the loanee's & bring in new players - after the World Cup?
Is he gonna be able to double-job right now?
We need a manager thats gonna be on the ball from day one - not in July / mid-July. Moyes started in June & look how that turned out.
Next season could be as shite as this one & folk thinkin we only need one or two players in to be contenders again & that a high-profile manager like Louie will get the best out of the 2012/13 Premier League Champions is just plain delusion. We won the league easily in the end because Chelsea & City were in disarray managerially. United took advantage of that, but those clubs have their shit together now & will spend like hell in the summer to improve on what they already have. Liverpool & Arsenal included...
A new manager coming in has to bring many new players with him also. No point riskin the prospect of havin the chat next season when Van Gaal does a Moyes (brings feck all players in we needed - in 2 transfer windows) & i hear all this "i suppose Moyes & everyone but us United fans were right - we did need to ship players out & get new players in..."
Is LvG the man for the job? He's an upgrade on Moyes thats for sure. Alot depends on the backroom staff though. I said last summer Moyes' lot couldn't be qualified to go from mid-table coaching to Champions coaching - given the style of football Everton had been playin under Moyes as a rule of thumb. It was terrible for Toffee fans - thats one of the reasons why they hate him so much. But they're a bunch of spoiled brats now & wont give Moyes any credit for them punchin above their weight all those years. I hope they miss out on Champions League!
If we cant get Klopp, then maybe i'd be happy with Van Gaal - only if he brought Rene back in full capacity as before...
Feckin brilliant...
Not that it was unexpected, but still great to hear...
As for Phil though, not sure he was there for anything but to be a sweetner for us. If he's shite - get rid. If he's got alot more positive input than Moyes allowed him to give, then keep.
Maybe get Scholesy back & have the Quartet of Giggsy, Phil, Butt & the Ginja Ninja at the helm
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Ah well, that's a shame. He was far and away my favourite potential replacement, but you can't always get what you want.
Van Gaal would definitely be the 'safe' option. He's seen it all, done it all, and will surely be able to at least get us back on an even keel. He's not exactly about to start a dynasty here, but maybe he can spend a few years repairing the damage Moyes has done and then someone like Klopp will be available.
Simeone would be another Klopp-like option. Young, exciting, currently 'in'. And it'd be nice having a hard-as-nails bastard at the top again. Any chance of us getting him?
Van Gaal would definitely be the 'safe' option. He's seen it all, done it all, and will surely be able to at least get us back on an even keel. He's not exactly about to start a dynasty here, but maybe he can spend a few years repairing the damage Moyes has done and then someone like Klopp will be available.
Simeone would be another Klopp-like option. Young, exciting, currently 'in'. And it'd be nice having a hard-as-nails bastard at the top again. Any chance of us getting him?
Not saying he isn't telling the truth but he's hardly going to come out in public during the run in and say "I want the United job". I'm clinging on to that ever small bit of hope he may think different privately
You're deluding yourself, no two ways about it. He couldn't have made a more emphatic statement, and there's no reason why he would have if he had even the vaguest notion that he might leave Dortmund.
Simeone doesn't speak English apparently. Also doesn't exactly play flowing attacking football, apparently. Wouldn't be a hard target to sign though, I think.
What's a domestic treble? We won the domestic double and were in the CL final that season, which was our last game of the season and a win against Inter would have given us the first treble in the history of the club.
Here you can get 'domestic treble' if you win COC ( league cup ), FA cup and title. It can't happen in Germany of course because you guys have just one cup. ( this will never sound normal anymore )
Got to admire Klopp's loyalty really, great guy but I hope he changes his mind in some years.
Either they count the Super Cup or they think we have two cup competitions in Germany as well.
The answer to both questions is a no!
Also, next time i go for a job interview i'll just create a wiki page & hand them that so.. Jobs a goodun!
Simeone's style is more like that of Mourinho. Compact defense and counter attacking football. It's not as flashy as Klopps attacking football but it yields results.
We might also see a change in style if he has other players at his disposal. The current approach pretty much suites his team as they aren't really stacked with world class players from front to back like their competition in Real and Barca are.
I have already accepted he will most likely not come and we'll get Van Gaal but this is football. A week ago I wouldn't have thought Moyes would get sacked so quickly.
Their football is excellent - attractive but also pragmatic, an effective, fast-moving attack built on a very solid defence. But the language barrier would be a problem if that's true. Also I'm not sure he'd be so very easy to sign.
Van Gaal is certainly a good, solid choice at least for a few seasons. Actually back in 2010 I remember saying that if Fergie had retired then, he'd have been my first choice replacement. It's been soured slightly by seeing what Heynckes was able to do with the same resources with which Van Gaal blew a little hot and cold. But you can argue that Van Gaal laid the foundations for Heynckes' success.
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But again, (sorry to be a dog with a bone), 'this is football' doesn't really mean anything. It's just something football fans say to try and convince themselves that we're going to sign Fabregas. A week ago you weren't expecting Moyes would get sacked so quickly but it was hardly a nonsensical move. Klopp has literally just come out and categorically stated that he's definitely staying at Dortmund. There was no reason why he had to do so. None of the other managers being speculated on has done so. So I'd say there is literally no chance of him leaving Dortmund for us this summer, 'football' or no.
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