Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund

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LARulz said:
Not saying he isn't telling the truth but he's hardly going to come out in public during the run in and say "I want the United job". I'm clinging on to that ever small bit of hope he may think different privately
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Klopp wouldn't mess Dortmund around like that. I'm 100% sure of it. If he says he's staying, even for this year at least, he will.

We'll see if I'm wrong, but he's the type who seems perfectly loyal to a club and if there was even a percentage chance of him leaving, he wouldn't come out and be so clear clut that he's staying.
 
Brightonian said:
But again, (sorry to be a dog with a bone), 'this is football' doesn't really mean anything. It's just something football fans say to try and convince themselves that we're going to sign Fabregas. A week ago you weren't expecting Moyes would get sacked so quickly but it was hardly a nonsensical move. Klopp has literally just come out and categorically stated that he's definitely staying at Dortmund. There was no reason why he had to do so. None of the other managers being speculated on has done so. So I'd say there is literally no chance of him leaving Dortmund for us this summer, 'football' or no.
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I assume he said so cos he was asked. Like I said, I don't think he will come as he is committed to Dortmund but its not going to hurt the club to go to him and say 'name your price' and hope for the best. I'd like at the very least for the club to have a real go at him. Worst that will happen is he says not till 2018.
 
sun_tzu said:
lets say klopp is the first choice and he is not interested in leaving dortmund
lets say we want simeone but he is happy at athletico
we try our luck with pep and jose and then back out knowing bayern and chelsea would tell us publicly to do one
we then think right - blanc ex player doing well at psg and psg politely point out he is under contracts and could we please do one
we try conte and juventus refer us to the answer psg just gave us
we think ok what about managers who might be free after the world cup and we approach del bosque who is not interested - nor is low...
in reality there are not that many managers available so although we may try behind the scenes for somebody else it seems logical that van gaal is at least the early favourite as he is actually available and we are actually allowed to talk to him - it would be remis of us not to at least discuss it with him if we don't have any better options available
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In consideration of all that, what surprises me is that no-one's mentioned: "Is there anything to be said for another Mass?"

My suggestion, is to get Fergie back in to steady the ship, til Klopp wants to leave his comfort zone..
 
Red Hand Devil said:
In consideration of all that, what surprises me is that no-one's mentioned: "Is there anything to be said for another Mass?"

My suggestion, is to get Fergie back in to steady the ship, til Klopp wants to leave his comfort zone..
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No to that suggestion, but the second part of that sentence concerns me a bit and has for a while. I've wondered if Klopp is a bit nervous about taking on a challenge as big as United.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
In consideration of all that, what surprises me is that no-one's mentioned: "Is there anything to be said for another Mass?"

My suggestion, is to get Fergie back in to steady the ship, til Klopp wants to leave his comfort zone..
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If Fergie saw himself willing/able to go on for another four years (at least) he probably would not have retired in the first place?

Moriarty said:
No to that suggestion, but the second part of that sentence concerns me a bit and has for a while. I've wondered if Klopp is a bit nervous about taking on a challenge as big as United.
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Iirc he was confident enough to enter talks with Bayern while after he made his decision not to extend his contract at Mainz, so I doubt that is the reason.
 
Balu said:
What's a domestic treble? We won the domestic double and were in the CL final that season, which was our last game of the season and a win against Inter would have given us the first treble in the history of the club.
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Oh right, didnt realise you were in the Champs Lge final that season also.. My bad..

Domestic treble is probably just a Prem thing. England's top tier have the League Championship, the FA Cup & the League Cup to battle for each season & then European Honours!

United's Treble in 1999 is better than anyone elses by the way :devil::lol:
 
Moriarty said:
No to that suggestion, but the second part of that sentence concerns me a bit and has for a while. I've wondered if Klopp is a bit nervous about taking on a challenge as big as United.
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Spoil sport. I'd be game for a Fergie return - aslong as he wasnt in charge of transfers ;)

Your 2nd comment: Klopp seems like Wenger - pure comfort zone man. Fergie obviously had it, same as Nev, Giggsy & Scholesy. Nothin wrong with that of course - we all love it. The grass isnt always greener type of thing...
 
Don't worry, guys. We all know Van Gaal likes to move about. Van Gaal for three years, and then we'll get out long-term German manager.
 
nahealai said:
That argument doesn't really fly, though, does it?

For instance, it's widely accepted that Moyes laid the foundation for Martinez' super-duper football...
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That argument about Moyes' foundation laying, really does fly though.. He made them hard to beat & now they have a more attractive approach with the steel they had before, but they can also revert back to the old ways in tight games too. Everton havent been magnificient all season & anyone tells you that needs their heads read. Martinez could just be havin a one-season wonder also - same as a promoted team when everythings fresh!
 
Sigh. Klopp you magnificent bastard. Van Gaal it looks to be then.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Spoil sport. I'd be game for a Fergie return - aslong as he wasnt in charge of transfers ;)

Your 2nd comment: Klopp seems like Wenger - pure comfort zone man. Fergie obviously had it, same as Nev, Giggsy & Scholesy. Nothin wrong with that of course - we all love it. The grass isnt always greener type of thing...
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I think Fergie had it in his later years, but he'd built that comfort zone up himself, and look where it was: at the top of the Premier League. Klopp is a bit like Wenger isn't he? He's seen his best players sold from under him yet he just carries on doing his job. I honestly thought that Wenger would quit Arsenal when they sold Nasri, Clichy, and Adebeyor to City, followed by Van Persie to us but he stayed put.
 
Moriarty said:
I think Fergie had it in his later years, but he'd built that comfort zone up himself, and look where it was: at the top of the Premier League. Klopp is a bit like Wenger isn't he? He's seen his best players sold from under him yet he just carries on doing his job. I honestly thought that Wenger would quit Arsenal when they sold Nasri, Clichy, and Adebeyor to City, followed by Van Persie to us but he stayed put.
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Sorry man, i wasnt makin the same comparison about Fergie, Wenger & Klopp or any other manager for that reason - thats completely different comfort zones. Fergie's comfort zone was that he had everything he ever wanted being at United. Those other two cant possibly have the same ambitions & drive to make those ambitions a reality being at that their respective clubs - Fergie did & did it in style too... Greatest of all time! The Mother of all Daddies!!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Sorry man, i wasnt makin the same comparison about Fergie, Wenger & Klopp or any other manager for that reason - thats completely different comfort zones. Fergie's comfort zone was that he had everything he ever wanted being at United. Those other two cant possibly have the same ambitions & drive to make those ambitions a reality being at that their respective clubs - Fergie did & did it in style too... Greatest of all time! The Mother of all Daddies!!
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I know you weren't. No need to apologise mate.
 
NoLogo said:
Simeone's style is more like that of Mourinho. Compact defense and counter attacking football. It's not as flashy as Klopps attacking football but it yields results.

We might also see a change in style if he has other players at his disposal. The current approach pretty much suites his team as they aren't really stacked with world class players from front to back like their competition in Real and Barca are.
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Yeah true, although I don't think it's as defensive. Simeone's team press a lot higher and a lot more aggressively than Mourinho's teams, and their full backs are allowed to get forward more often.
 
nahealai said:
That argument doesn't really fly, though, does it?

For instance, it's widely accepted that Moyes laid the foundation for Martinez' super-duper football...
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Yeah, I wasn't making that argument so much as acknowledging it. Trying to show both sides of the debate. I agree that on its own, it doesn't show much.

That said, there's absolutely no comparison between Moyes and Van Gaal. After all, Van Gaal may not have done what Heynckes did but he was still successful with Bayern, winning the Bundesliga and getting to the CL final. And he already had a superb pedigree before going there, including winning the CL. His '95 Ajax team is one of the greatest sides of all time, and was pretty much the reason for the incredible Dutch team of that time too (the same way Guardiola's Barca have so much to do with Spain's current dominance).
 
Red Hand Devil said:
All due respect, i think you meant "domestic treble" man... Not bein twattish either!

He has a good record alright, but so did Trappatoni at one time!
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I understand your reasoning for not thinking he's the ideal choice at the moment but I don't really understand why you're playing him down so much as a manager overall. He was one game away from winning the League, Domestic Cup and Champions League in his first season at Bayern - his last club job. Before that he won the league with Alkmaar and after that he qualified with Holland in style. He's not just some manager that was good at one point and is now mediocre.
 
Brwned said:
I understand your reasoning for not thinking he's the ideal choice at the moment but I don't really understand why you're playing him down so much as a manager overall. He was one game away from winning the League, Domestic Cup and Champions League in his first season at Bayern - his last club job. Before that he won the league with Alkmaar and after that he qualified with Holland in style. He's not just some manager that was good at one point and is now mediocre.
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Maybe i'm being a little harsh man. I probably need to recap & watch some vids etc on him. I just never liked him. He's a character alright & a fighter too, we sure as hell need someone like that at the moment. He'd attract top players in a way that Moyes could never do in fairness too.

Just thought once Fergie retired we'd have the pick of the best around & Van Gaal was never in the equation. I'd love Klopp, but maybe thats the impossible dream now & we have to move away from that, because if he aint interested - then he doesnt have the bottle for it in my opinion. Fair play to Moyes in that respect & fair play to the Glazers takin the decision to cut our losses too though.

My biggest hang up if he's appointed is, when's he gonna get the job started? It'll be early to mid-July officially - depending on Hollands progress at the WC, and i doubt the Dutch FA will allow him to double-job. But the club seem to have identified the players we need to bring in, so maybe thats something Van Gaal would just give a yay or nay on.

Not ideal of course, but we cant wait around til mid-July & have another horrendous transfer window again. Thats my biggest fear. I also think that our targeted players maybe didnt want to come or were reluctant to, because of Moyes & thats maybe why we got rid now, to send out a message to all players - that we mean business & we're not gonna have a season like this feckin one again.

I'm warming to the Van Gaal idea from reading folks points of view - i'm always game to stand corrected, its the time-frame for the players in scenario that worries me the most though & we do need a serious injection of talent in many areas. Thats one issue i wont stand corrected on though!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
My biggest hang up if he's appointed is, when's he gonna get the job started? It'll be early to mid-July officially - depending on Hollands progress at the WC, and i doubt the Dutch FA will allow him to double-job. But the club seem to have identified the players we need to bring in, so maybe thats something Van Gaal would just give a yay or nay on.

Not ideal of course, but we cant wait around til mid-July & have another horrendous transfer window again. Thats my biggest fear. I also think that our targeted players maybe didnt want to come or were reluctant to, because of Moyes & thats maybe why we got rid now, to send out a message to all players - that we mean business & we're not gonna have a season like this feckin one again.
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He hires someone he trusts to execute whilst he is Brazil. Rene would be an obvious choice, with no learning curve.
 
sglowrider said:
He hires someone he trusts to execute whilst he is Brazil. Rene would be an obvious choice, with no learning curve.
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No chance the Dutch FA would allow him to double-job during the World Cup & while he's still under contract til the end of their campaign..

If i were Dutch, i would be furious if he was doin 2 jobs at the same time during the WC!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
No chance the Dutch FA would allow him to double-job during the World Cup & while he's still under contract til the end of their campaign..

If i were Dutch, i would be furious if he was doin 2 jobs at the same time during the WC!
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He can start after the WC. I'm sure he knows what player he wants and keeps a full shortlist of players. He's in the WC anyway, he scouted all the big talent there. Unlike our ipad Dave
 
let's give him 1001 reasons to work here, and perhaps an extra 0 on his pay cheque :drool:
 
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