Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund

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Devil may care said:
Things change, maybe he realizes he has done all he can with Dortmund and knows we can offer him a bigger canvas to work on. I don't know for sure, I am just saying to rule it out as impossible in a sport where people move all the time in the most unexpected directions is silly. If he'd came in to replace Fergie it would be difficult, the current situation sees a club in an absolute mess after an incompetent manager tore down everything that was built, it's an incredible opportunity for a manager to come into United with a clean slate to build from which I think would be enticing.
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Since when? Last Saturday, when he shot down the rumors from Barcelona on live television and said once again, that he is fully commited until 2018 and nobody needs to call him or his agent?

He is not going to leave Dortmund in the summer, because he is simply not finished there, yet. If anything this season should give him hope that he can bring that club even further. He lost his strongest individual player last summer and his most creative one was unavailable the whole season. On top of that he can´t field half his regular starting lineup for six months now. Despite that, he secured the CL with three games to go, is in the cup final, survived the CL group of death once again and brought Real Madrid on the verge of elimination.

Dortmund as a club and the team itself are still growing and this has become an emotional project for him: A team he built from scratch, a team he poured six years of work into, a team that has yet to reach its limit. As long as this does not happen, as long as Klopp realizes that he can take them further, he won´t take other jobs. This is simply the kind of person he is according to his history of 13 years as coach. He is not a quitter and he could have moved up so many times, earned so much more money than he did and simply chose the easier way for success.

You say that things change, but for Klopp to take the United in the summer he himself would need to change. This is what I don´t believe and this also why nobody, who payed close attention to his career (German press, experts, fans) questions his commitment to Dortmund.

If you think that an offer by United could do what several Bundesliga clubs (in his time at Mainz), Real Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona and god knows what other clubs failed to do, then feel free to believe that. Believe, that United is something bigger and better than some of these clubs. As far as I´m concerned, you just set yourself up for a major dissapointment, though.
 
Hopefully we make an attempt to sign him. From what I've seen of him so far, he seems like he would be a great choice!
 
Sphaero said:
Since when? Last Saturday, when he shot down the rumors from Barcelona on live television and said once again, that he is fully commited until 2018 and nobody needs to call him or his agent?

He is not going to leave Dortmund in the summer, because he is simply not finished there, yet. If anything this season should give him hope that he can bring that club even further. He lost his strongest individual player last summer and his most creative one was unavailable the whole season. On top of that he can´t field half his regular starting lineup for six months now. Despite that, he secured the CL with three games to go, is in the cup final, survived the CL group of death once again and brought Real Madrid on the verge of elimination.

Dortmund as a club and the team itself are still growing and this has become an emotional project for him: A team he built from scratch, a team he poured six years of work into, a team that has yet to reach its limit. As long as this does not happen, as long as Klopp realizes that he can take them further, he won´t take other jobs. This is simply the kind of person he is according to his history of 13 years as coach. He is not a quitter and he could have moved up so many times, earned so much more money than he did and simply chose the easier way for success.

You say that things change, but for Klopp to take the United in the summer he himself would need to change. This is what I don´t believe and this also why nobody, who payed close attention to his career (German press, experts, fans) questions his commitment to Dortmund.

If you think that an offer by United could do what several Bundesliga clubs (in his time at Mainz), Real Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona and god knows what other clubs failed to do, then feel free to believe that. Believe, that United is something bigger and better than some of these clubs. As far as I´m concerned, you just set yourself up for a major dissapointment, though.
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When I use the term things change I wasn't meaning a specific thing, it was a general term as in life things change and football is a sport that has shown over the years how many things change, especially as regards to player and manager commitment.

I am not setting myself up for anything, after this season it would take a lot to find me disappointed. I don't really want Van Gaal the more I read but frankly after Moyes anything would be a lift. I just don't see any point in ruling anything out as impossible when such massive amounts of money and such a huge and prestigious challenge are on offer.
 
Now might be a good time to bring out the Klopp masks!
 
Those talking about him turning down English clubs. Probably because the right English club didn't come in for him. From my impression of klopp he expects loyalty from his clubs just as he gives loyalty to them. City and Chelsea don't offer that and in addition, there will always be a circus surrounding Barcelona and Madrid as they are fan owned clubs in Latino environments (zee Germans are different). We really are Dortmund just on a much larger scale and I think personally that would appeal to klopp. If we do it properly and be respectful to both him and Dortmund, I believe we have a chance. We are a football club that is run in he the right way and even this year instead of blowing our tops early on we gave Dave the chance to make it better. He failed and he'll pay the price
 
@Sphaero do you think Klopp will extend beyond 2018, or do you think he will move at that point ??

Also, any good managers in the Bundesliga that we should be considering ?? I have heard a lot of things regarding Tuchel, how good is he and should he be considered as a candidate ?? This question is for the resident bundesliga experts.
 
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malappapper said:
1. Money.

2. Chance to manage a bigger and better club, with better players.

3. Leave a club that is condemned to be Bayern's feeding club for the foreseeable future.
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But he would just be a whipping boy for the top men. You do not get the freedom as a manager at Barca that you would get here. Also, as fun as it would be to manage that team, one year without a trophy and you will be on your arse. The expectations are that high.
 
just throw some money at the magnificent bastard and try to get him here.
 
Klopp seems like the type of guy who'd say "If you want me, pay Dortmund 100m."

And that's on top of him very possibly wanting to bring a couple of players with him for 30-40m apiece and making that part of the deal.

Like many posters have pointed out, he's pulling an SAF at Dortmund. If it's true they've re-calibrated their finances to move forward, he has every reason to move forward with them and no reason to leave.
 
It's ridiculous talking about throwing money at problems so casually. You have got to respect Klopp. Certainly negotiate with him, but saying that he would be swayed with a large amount of money is disrepectful towards the man and is unlike our club. If I were in Klopp's position right now, I wouldn't have left Dortmund. Klopp is 46. He has ample amount of time to go to bigger clubs and manage.
 
If there's even the slightest chance of bringing this guy in - do it.

He's got the charisma, the personality and the shoulders for the job - everything Moyes lacked and more.
 
Doable or not they should go all out for this guy at the very least. Talented, charismatic and plays football the right way. Not to mention the right age.
 
Klopp has never broken a contract has he? I really doubt he's going anywhere.
 
I seriously doubt we'll get Klopp however he would be my first choice as manager so I think we should try anyway
 
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gregwar said:
just throw some money at the magnificent bastard and try to get him here.
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Pretty sure City and Chelsea tried that many times before, he coaches not just for the money.

In that sense though that may help us, we could be seen as a huge challenge rather than just an endless cheque.
 

Ogden has been spot on with everything this season.
 
It's a shame, he's the dream but I'm glad the club has recognised early that he's unobtainable and won't be wasting their time chasing him and embarrassing themselves.
 
There is nothing money can't buy, if Klopp does see himself at other clubs then this summer is his best chance to jump the ship. Barca or united, cannot have better options that this.
 
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Offer him everything and see. No harm in trying.
 
Ogdens now our new "GO TO" guy, if he says he understands something at United then I'm inclined to believe it, at this point.
...So Van Gaal eh lads?
 
Ace of Spades said:
@Sphaero do you think Klopp will extend beyond 2018, or do you think he will move at that point ??

Also, any good managers in the Bundesliga that we should be considering ?? I have heard a lot of things regarding Tuchel, how good is he and should he be considered as a candidate ?? This question is for the resident bundesliga experts.
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I'm not Sphaero but I can tell you that afaik Klopp has not said anything concerete about his future beyond 2018. And why would he? That's four years from now, a lot of things can happen by that time.

Tuchel has done a great job at Mainz and I think the time has come for him to move to a bigger club. But he hasn't coached in the CL, hasn't won a trophy, has no experience with big egos or super talented players, has not experienced the media pressure of a top club, has no experience with the way other teams treat a top club and has not worked in England before and I think makes makes him too high a risk for United in the current situation.

Other good coaches are Favre, Weinzierl and Streich, but it's exactly the same for them too: not proven.

BennyBlanco said:
Ogdens now our new "GO TO" guy, if he says he understands something at United then I'm inclined to believe it, at this point.
...So Van Gaal eh lads?
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Any football interested person from Germany (as you can even see in this thread) could have told you that United would rule out Klopp as a candidate very quickly..

entropy said:
There is nothing money can't buy, if Klopp does see himself at other clubs then this summer is his best chance to jump the ship. Barca or united, cannot have better options that this.
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He supposedly could've had Real and I'm sure Bayern would've taken him before they got Guardiola (though the latter is purely my own speculation)
 
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ManUtd43vr said:
It's ridiculous talking about throwing money at problems so casually. You have got to respect Klopp. Certainly negotiate with him, but saying that he would be swayed with a large amount of money is disrepectful towards the man and is unlike our club. If I were in Klopp's position right now, I wouldn't have left Dortmund. Klopp is 46. He has ample amount of time to go to bigger clubs and manage.
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Is it not the same thing for players as it is for managers though?

You might only get one chance to play for/or manage, a top 3 club in the world. It would be madness if Klopp didnt consider it & i'm sure it doesnt hurt, that despite the diabolical season we've had - the overwhelming majority of fans at games never publicly turned against Moyes, so Klopp could take comfort in that he wouldnt have that burden if we lost a few games. As long as there's a ideology - we'd support the manager.

Moyes didnt have one, neither did his backroom staff by the looks of it. Never seen our backroom staff so non-communicative in games as with that lot!

The fans at games didnt get him sacked (even though most of us wanted rid), so we can take a bitta credit we didnt behave badly - even though it was the worst period of football i've seen in a season from United.

I just hope Round & Lumsden goes aswell. As for Phil....
 
It hurts me to see this thread bumped today. I know full well we won't get him, and it's pointless to hope, but I have so much admiration for this guy I can't help myself...
 
I told you guys last night. Don't even know why you bothered to believe.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Is it not the same thing for players as it is for managers though?

You might only get one chance to play for/or manage, a top 3 club in the world. It would be madness if Klopp didnt consider it & i'm sure it doesnt hurt, that despite the diabolical season we've had - the overwhelming majority of fans at games never publicly turned against Moyes, so Klopp could take comfort in that he wouldnt have that burden if we lost a few games. As long as there's a ideology - we'd support the manager.

Moyes didnt have one, neither did his backroom staff by the looks of it. Never seen our backroom staff so non-communicative in games as with that lot!

The fans at games didnt get him sacked (even though most of us wanted rid), so we can take a bitta credit we didnt behave badly - even though it was the worst period of football i've seen in a season from United.

I just hope Round & Lumsden goes aswell. As for Phil....
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