Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund

[Devil may care]

Hey, I'd love Lionel Messi here too, but I know that ain't happening. I watch German football enough to know Klopp to United won't happen for the foreseeable future at least.

That's a completely different situation and you know it, Messi would cost 150M Euros alone before you factor in wages. The idea that a manager might fancy a crack at one of the biggest jobs in world football for a good lump sum more than he's getting paid with a much bigger transfer budget is hardly the same.

And some fans are so arrogant that they believe any manager would instantly drop what they're doing and come to United just because we're United.

Where did I say that? I never did, but the very notion that it's utterly impossible that his head could be turned by the prospect of managing Manchester United is far fetched IMO. If thinking this club has more to offer than Dortmund long term for Klopp and thinking that we are a club that could lure away a manager makes me arrogant, then so be it.

 

[Sixpence]

That's a completely different situation and you know it, Messi would cost 150M Euros alone before you factor in wages. The idea that a manager might fancy a crack at one of the biggest jobs in world football for a good lump sum more than he's getting paid with a much bigger transfer budget is hardly the same.



Where did I say that? I never did, but the very notion that it's utterly impossible that his head could be turned by the prospect of managing Manchester United is far fetched IMO. If thinking this club has more to offer than Dortmund long term for Klopp and thinking that we are a club that could lure away a manager makes me arrogant, then so be it.

Didn't you know, wanting the very best manager for the club means you're spoilt.

 

[Sphaero]

That's a completely different situation and you know it, Messi would cost 150M Euros alone before you factor in wages. The idea that a manager might fancy a crack at one of the biggest jobs in world football for a good lump sum more than he's getting paid with a much bigger transfer budget is hardly the same.



Where did I say that? I never did, but the very notion that it's utterly impossible that his head could be turned by the prospect of managing Manchester United is far fetched IMO. If thinking this club has more to offer than Dortmund long term for Klopp and thinking that we are a club that could lure away a manager makes me arrogant, then so be it.

It is seen as impossible, because Klopp has a long history of turning down bigger clubs in favour of his projects at that time. He was a top candidate at Madrid, Chelsea and now Barcelona. He shot down every offer without a second thought. What makes you think that United would be different?

 

[An Irish Red]

It is seen as impossible, because Klopp has a long history of turning down bigger clubs in favour of his projects at that time. He was a top candidate at Madrid, Chelsea and now Barcelona. He shot down every offer without a second thought. What makes you think that United would be different?

Moyes is interested in German football. We could do a swap deal?

 

[Ruht]

It is seen as impossible, because Klopp has a long history of turning down bigger clubs in favour of his projects at that time. He was a top candidate at Madrid, Chelsea and now Barcelona. He shot down every offer without a second thought. What makes you think that United would be different?

He did say a couple of days ago that no one should call until at least 2018, right? Don't see him leaving, regardless of how much money any club puts on the table.

 

[Sphaero]

He did say a couple of days ago that no one should call until at least 2018, right? Don't see him leaving, regardless of how much money any club puts on the table.

Of course he won't leave. It would go against everything he stands for. He has voiced his loyalty so many times in the past and backed said up with actions every time.

It's wishful thinking. Nothing more.

 

[ivaldo]

He did say a couple of days ago that no one should call until at least 2018, right? Don't see him leaving, regardless of how much money any club puts on the table.

'This club is everything for me. I’ll stay here at least another 20 years.'
(Klopp in 2009, while working for Borussia Dortmund)

No chance of leaving after he said that right?

'I’m going to stay at this club quite certainly for the next 20 years.'
(Klopp in 2006, while working for Mainz 05)

Oh yeah he resigned... Just to stir the pot a little

 

[Sixpence]

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

I don't think Klopp is realistic unfortunately.

 

[Sarni]

Of course he won't leave. It would go against everything he stands for. He has voiced his loyalty so many times in the past and backed said up with actions every time.

It's wishful thinking. Nothing more.

Agree with this. He won't be at Dortmund forever much like he wasn't going to stay at Mainz forever even though he had spent his entire playing career there but he won't leave Dortmund for money or for a big club in the middle of his contract. The only way I could see him leaving Dortmund would be if we agreed to pay a large fee to buy out his contract and they found a proper replacement, it won't be this year and it won't be next year either.

If we got van Gaal in for 3-4 season and then tried to approach Klopp to perhaps let him know that we want him in once his deal with Dortmund ends/he's finished his job there then we may stand a chance. I actually think we'd be a very desirable option for him, more so than Real Madrid or Barcelona due to his long term approach.

 

[Jippy]

It seems a bit arrogant to assume he'd come running if we pick up the phone.

 

[Sarni]

It seems a bit arrogant to assume he'd come running if we pick up the phone.

Indeed.

I'd like to think Klopp is better than that. It's one of the parts about him I like the most, loyalty and dedication. It'd be gone if he left them all of a sudden because a richer club came along.

 

[Godfather]

He'd be the absolute dream candidate to take over. He's pretty much got it all. Hunger, determination, he's actually won things, plays attractive football and seems a good and loyal lad.
Not sure he'd come to us though.

 

[holdsteady]

I do not know how anyone could not want Klopp here.



Everything he says is what you expect Manchester United being.

 

[goin4glory]

A subtle but significant change in style is exactly what Barcelona need right now. If this guy is good at disciplining super-star players than he would be exactly what we need.

Klopp plays direct/quick and fast counter attacking football. The change would be very far from subtle.

 

[Bazi]

The same arrogance like last year when it was only a question of which English club Guardiola was going to end up...even worse in this case, because Klopp has 4years left on his contract, he made his intentions clear with the last extension.

 

[Jippy]

Indeed.

I'd like to think Klopp is better than that. It's one of the parts about him I like the most, loyalty and dedication. It'd be gone if he left them all of a sudden because a richer club came along.

Yep, people underestimate the German league despite Bayern's renaissance. I didn't know about the 20 year thing he also said at Mainz, but Klopp for United seems a pipe dream sadly.

 

[gooDevil]

Do people not care about huge piles of money anymore?

Have we tried actually driving it up to his house in the back of a giant dump truck?

There's something to be said for the visual power of a pile of money.

 

[Sixpence]

I do not know how anyone could not want Klopp here.



Everything he says is what you expect Manchester United being.

His charisma is off the charts. I can't recall anyone like him that I've seen before. He reminds me a bit of a wacky schoolteacher. How could players not want to play for this man? If you're a player you want to retire and can say you've played under this guy.

 

[Pexbo]

I do not know how anyone could not want Klopp here.



Everything he says is what you expect Manchester United being.

I felt somewhat liberated watching that.

Compared to what we have become accustomed to...

 

[Kaos]

We really ought to go all Soprano on him:

 

[malappapper]

Klopp plays direct/quick and fast counter attacking football. The change would be very far from subtle.

If/when Klopp changes club, he will change styles as well. It's been happening for ages, this thing.

 

[goin4glory]

If/when Klopp changes club, he will change styles as well. It's been happening for ages, this thing.

His style is miles away from the high possession "philosophy" of Barcelona just like Mourinho's is and he has never changed his style from being a defensive counter attacking coach so what makes you think Klopp will change from a style that has been so successful?

 

[NoLogo]

If/when Klopp changes club, he will change styles as well. It's been happening for ages, this thing.

I think his overall style would remain the same. Fast attacking football with full field pressing. The thing would be though that at a club like Braca he would have players that are even better at passing the ball around then his Dortmund team and the would probably look more like Bayern under Heynckes then his current Dortmund side.

 

[Ubik]

Exciting that many are reporting he's top of our list anyway. No one needs to remind me that we probably won't get him, but we'd be the most enormous of cretins if we didn't at least ask the question. Last time round he was barely even rumoured.

 

[Ruht]

Wishful thinking again. Klopp himself said he won't go to Barca and that he is still very much in love with Dortmund. He is going to see out his contract at the very least. He has something great there and is trying to build a great team. It's not about the money with him, unlike with many others.

 

[Kaos]

Can all these sense-talking Germans leave the thread and leave us to delusionals to our pipe dreams, I want to believe FFS

 

[Mad Winger]

Can all these sense-talking Germans leave the thread and leave us to delusionals to our pipe dreams, I want to believe FFS

Word! Damn sensible German posters hitting us in the face with brattwürsts and harsh reality!

I love Klopp. Please let us have Klopp. I'd pick him ahead of Ronaldo, Messi... and... and... even KAGAWA!

 

[Devil may care]

It is seen as impossible, because Klopp has a long history of turning down bigger clubs in favour of his projects at that time. He was a top candidate at Madrid, Chelsea and now Barcelona. He shot down every offer without a second thought. What makes you think that United would be different?

Things change, maybe he realizes he has done all he can with Dortmund and knows we can offer him a bigger canvas to work on. I don't know for sure, I am just saying to rule it out as impossible in a sport where people move all the time in the most unexpected directions is silly. If he'd came in to replace Fergie it would be difficult, the current situation sees a club in an absolute mess after an incompetent manager tore down everything that was built, it's an incredible opportunity for a manager to come into United with a clean slate to build from which I think would be enticing.

 

[Phil]

Just give it a go and be very convincing please Woody. That's all we can ask for.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Although I'm unsure he'd be attainable, I also thought there'd be noway Moyes wouldn't survive this season. What a mental year.

 

[2 man midfield]

Do people not care about huge piles of money anymore?

Have we tried actually driving it up to his house in the back of a giant dump truck?

There's something to be said for the visual power of a pile of money.

 

[malappapper]

His style is miles away from the high possession "philosophy" of Barcelona just like Mourinho's is and he has never changed his style from being a defensive counter attacking coach so what makes you think Klopp will change from a style that has been so successful?

1. Money.

2. Chance to manage a bigger and better club, with better players.

3. Leave a club that is condemned to be Bayern's feeding club for the foreseeable future.

 

[sullydnl]

Exciting that many are reporting he's top of our list anyway. No one needs to remind me that we probably won't get him, but we'd be the most enormous of cretins if we didn't at least ask the question. Last time round he was barely even rumoured.

This. As long as we have the sense to try for him then losing out won't be too bad, there's nothing anyone can really do if he is that committed to Dortmund.

Still, without wanting to sound arrogant we really do offer a lot more than Dortmund. With any other manager you'd say they'd be very likely to leave them for Manchester United. From everything we've heard about Klopp it seems unlikely in his particular case but I wouldn't say it's impossible. What we're offering could be enough to get him to change his mind, though I doubt it.

Of course we'll probably never know if we approached him anyway, whoever we end up going with will be presented as our first choice.

 

[Baxter]

He's the perfect man for the job, but that doesn't mean anything.

Woody loves him though, so I'd assume we'd try and tempt him even if it's highly unlikely.

 

[goin4glory]

1. Money.

2. Chance to manage a bigger and better club, with better players.

3. Leave a club that is condemned to be Bayern's feeding club for the foreseeable future.

None of those are reasons to change from a style of play that has been incredibly successful and exciting.

 

[Ubik]

Does he speak spanish, out of interest?

 

[SolidState]

Why does anyone think Klopp would be any good? Yeah he's a great manager and he was top of my list before Moyes but he's been extremely successful with limited resources.

We do not have limited resources, we are huge, 10x bigger than Dortmund. Could you imagine him sitting Rooney down and saying "your not playing, you didn't press last game and you refused to pass to Kagawa" or signing someone like RVP and convincing him he will learn new things.

Klopp is brilliant don't get me wrong but is he really the best we can get. We need a style that will completely outclass and dominate oppositions. I hate to say it cos I'm not sure I really feel this way but I think Van Gaal having managed 3 elite level clubs and won multiple trophies would be a better fit for us at the moment.

I'm terrified watching him, he'd really whip our players into shape and i can imagine his philosophy is interesting and challenging to players.

Klopp obviously has his merits but I'd say he installs belief and heart into his players. They never give up, they never question him because he is like a father to them, nurturing rather than going mental.

This is a weird split it's like when people were saying Moyes, Jose or Pep. I wanted pep, as his philosophy would take us to new levels. Jose always stuck me as a spender and his style is boring and defensive based but he wins with hose tactics. And to me Moyes was the safe bet but incredibly under qualified.

At the moment I see Klopp as a safe bet but with extremely higher credentials than Moyes and a philosophy that suits the United of old focused on the counter and smart cutting passes in the middle. Van Gaal a proven winner who has coached at the highest point and beyond some but with a reputation of being nuts (not as if Klopp is normal) and simione who is an unknown quantity, clearly a intimidating man with the presence to tell you straight but to me is completely against our philosophy, his teams set up to win with high pressure and rough pressure, not too shy to apply the odd cheat here and there.

Out of the three Klopp and Van Gaal are hard to choose from.

Ideally Van Gaal followed by Klopp then Giggs (who is always under them) interesting but the glazers will now go with what guarantees CL football and to me that would be Van Gaal.

 

[malappapper]

None of those are reasons to change from a style of play that has been incredibly successful and exciting.

I think all of those are very strong reasons to change a lot of things.

But having said that, I do not care about managers that much. It is they players that make the difference.

 

[SolidState]

Wow just had a thought, Klopps United v Rogers Liverpool...the rivalry more heated than ever with both sides playing insane counter attacking football. I imagine City would fall to the minnows along with Chelsea with thier boring possession based percentage football.

Haha...getting late isn't it.