Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund

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Barcelona called in August. Far too late and he most likely didn't want to leave Dortmund at that time looking for a new manager.
Madrid were in for him as well supposedly, prior to Ancellotti.
 
He loves Dortmund and their fans and won't leave yet. CL football, wants to topple Bayern (again) and has reiterated his desire to stay there. Get off your knees and be happy with van Gaal :p

He's also said he doesn't want to manage in England in the past.
 
He'd be my choice to replace Moyes but I think there's no chance of him coming here.
Sums up what I think too. I can't believe people are still arguing with it.
 
I know many people just think Klopp is the best option and he might be the best option. But, it seems some want us to hire Klopp bring in Reus, Gundogan and play them with Kagawa. It sees that they just want us to turn into Dortmund. For those people it would probably be easier for them to just go on and support Dortmund.
 
1) We're 7th. Dortmund are in the CL next season.
2) He's a committed man, he turned down a few big offers so far, why would he accept United?
3) He criticized United under Ferguson and paricularly the way Kagawa was utilised. Would the same guy appoint him?

I don't get what there is to argue. It's incredibly unlikely.

Of course it's unlikely but a couple of years ago we would have said the same about us signing Van Persie and Mata. It being unlikely doesn't mean that we should not try, especially when he's perfect for us.

We should try and get him and if not then go for someone else. No harm in trying.
 
Yeah it's incredibly unlikely, but then again so was SAF retiring, Liverpool winning the league and us signing Juan Mata all within 1 season.
 
People thinking he'll leave Dortmund are setting themselves up for disappointment. If there was even a slight possibility of him leaving, why did he sign a new contract? He's not going to leave Dortmund just because his best players get picked off. He has said that he expected that to happen and understands that it's going to take time before Dortmund stops losing their players. He's given numerous interviews about this. Dortmund is his project and I seriously doubt he plans on leaving it any time soon.

I don't even know why I come into this thread anymore. The same points have been made by posters over and over again who are far more knowledgeable about Klopp yet their posts get ignored by other posters.
 
We must have the most negative fans of any club, simply no belief that we could attract the best players or managers, some actually seem excited to point out Klopp wont leave, like it's a victory over fans who are hoping for the best for United.

People never say in programme notes that they aren't thinking about retiring. Then 3 days later, retire. That never happens either.

And don't forget, Juan Veron isn't going anywhere!
 
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Now kindly stop spamming his name in the Moyes thread.



Could also be a negotiating tactic to drive up his salary and job specification and responsibilities at United?
 
We must have the most negative fans of any club, simply no belief that we could attract the best players or managers, some actually seem excited to point out Klopp wont leave
Hey, I'd love Lionel Messi here too, but I know that ain't happening. I watch German football enough to know Klopp to United won't happen for the foreseeable future at least.

Could also be a negotiating tactic to drive up his salary and job specification and responsibilities at United?

:lol:

Sure.

Keep clutching those straws firmly.
 
We must have the most negative fans of any club, simply no belief that we could attract the best players or managers, some actually seem excited to point out Klopp wont leave, like it's a victory over fans who are hoping for the best for United.



And don't forget, Juan Veron isn't going anywhere!
And some fans are so arrogant that they believe any manager would instantly drop what they're doing and come to United just because we're United.
 
All we can do is contact him and try and make it happen. If he turns us down, like he's turned down others, we'll just have to accept it and move on. The poor part is when you dont even try and go and hire David Moyes
 
Yeah it's incredibly unlikely, but then again so was SAF retiring, Liverpool winning the league and us signing Juan Mata all within 1 season.

People would have called you certified crazy if you claimed that would happen 18 months ago!
 
People thinking he'll leave Dortmund are setting themselves up for disappointment. If there was even a slight possibility of him leaving, why did he sign a new contract? He's not going to leave Dortmund just because his best players get picked off. He has said that he expected that to happen and understands that it's going to take time before Dortmund stops losing their players. Dortmund is his project and I seriously doubt he plans on leaving it any time soon.

I don't even know why I come into this thread anymore. The same points have been made by posters over and over again who are far more knowledgeable about Klopp yet their posts get ignored by other posters.

Nobody is saying he's a certainty to join us though, merely that we should at least try. There's no harm in that. If we make an enquiry and he says no then we move on, no big deal.
 
In life, the worst someone can say is no. The biggest regret would be not to ask - even if it meets an immediate NO, which it will.
 
Nobody is saying he's a certainty to join us though, merely that we should at least try. There's no harm in that. If we make an enquiry and he says no then we move on, no big deal.
Of course the club are going to try and get him. I'm not saying they aren't. I just don't like how some posters assume that Klopp will just leave Dortmund the moment United come calling, ignoring the previous posts that have been made in this thread about the type of person he is and his values.
 
Yeah maybe we should keep Kagawa on the bench and bring him on for the last few mins to annoy Klopp enough to get him to come here and sort it out
 
Yeah it's incredibly unlikely, but then again so was SAF retiring, Liverpool winning the league and us signing Juan Mata all within 1 season.
You could use that argument to prove Rodgers could be on his way here too.
 
Hey, I'd love Lionel Messi here too, but I know that ain't happening. I watch German football enough to know Klopp to United won't happen for the foreseeable future at least.



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Sure.

Keep clutching those straws firmly.

How many times are you going to repeat the you watch German football line? Is that supposed to make you a ITK?

See nobody is saying Klopp is going to join us. All we want us the club to make a attempt to convince him to join us.
 
I know many people just think Klopp is the best option and he might be the best option. But, it seems some want us to hire Klopp bring in Reus, Gundogan and play them with Kagawa. It sees that they just want us to turn into Dortmund. For those people it would probably be easier for them to just go on and support Dortmund.
He's surely not going to come but I'd love him to because the way Dortmund play is the way I'd like to see United play. Fast, skilful, positive counter attacking football with every player motivated. There's also the fact he just seems like such fun, even if we lost it'd be OK because he'd be entertaining about it rather than slightly depressed and a bit small time.
 
How many times are you going to repeat the you watch German football line? Is that supposed to make you a ITK?
Because the people who are in denial clearly don't watch the Bundesliga, and think you can toss money to attract him.
 
I'm not going to sleep with Beyonce tonight but hey, if you'd told me a 71 year old guy would retire this time last year I'd have thought you were crazy, so...

Basically what I'm saying is should I go out and buy condoms or not?!
 
Part of why I like the guy is how committed and loyal he's been to Dortmund and his whole project there. I would take him here, but it isn't going to happen and if it did my respect for the man would ever so slightly decrease considering what he has said in the past.
 
Part of why I like the guy is how committed and loyal he's been to Dortmund and his whole project there. I would take him here, but it isn't going to happen and if it did my respect for the man would ever so slightly decrease considering what he has said in the past.
Exactly how I feel too.
 
Exactly how I feel too.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't turn him down, but there's something unique and different about this guy which really makes him stand out and gives me a lot of respect for him. If he want someone long-term, then appointing someone who goes back on their word that they'd stay till 2018 in 2014 isn't exactly a good start. As I said though, because of that, it won't happen.
 
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't turn him down, but there's something unique and different about this guy which really makes him stand out and gives me a lot of respect for him. If he want someone long-term, then appointing someone who goes back on their word that they'd stay till 2018 in 2014 isn't exactly a good start. As I said though, because of that, it won't happen.

There is also no reason for him to quit mid-contract. He knows that, if his form remains as it is, he will have any job that he wants in the world waiting for him.

So unless he has a particular hankering to manage Manchester United, which (as much as it may shock a lot of us) not everyone does, there is no reason for him to come this season.

Our best hope of getting him is to get someone like Van Gaal and then in 2018 try to get him again, but compete against every other top team in the world.

Also, there is no guarantee that we would even want to get him then, depending on how the next manager does.
 
Yeah maybe we should keep Kagawa on the bench and bring him on for the last few mins to annoy Klopp enough to get him to come here and sort it out

That might have been Moyes' plan all along!
 
We must have the most negative fans of any club, simply no belief that we could attract the best players or managers, some actually seem excited to point out Klopp wont leave, like it's a victory over fans who are hoping for the best for United.

The whole thing is more about Klopp not wanting to leave for any club than it is about United.
 
The whole thing is more about Klopp not wanting to leave for any club than it is about United.

Exactly. It is about Klopp and his character. He stayed at Mainz after they got relegated despite Bundesliga offers, because he had one year on his contract left. After 7 years at Mainz he is now 6 years at Dortmund and still said he and his staff are in love with Dortmund and are not finished yet, he had no need to sign this contract and still he did it to show his players, he will be here in the future without a doubt. According to rumours he already said no to Chelsea, City, Real and Barca, why should he say yes to United?
He is a fantastic coach and I also hope we ask him at least, but the illusion of some here that we just need to throw the money at him and he will come is very very unlikely.
 
I don't think we need to throw money at him. I think we need to sell him a vision. A plan. An era that'll be his.
 
Why Manchester United have to go for Jurgen Klopp
There is one crucial quality required in the make-up of any Manchester United manager and David Moyes simply did not possess it: you need swagger to succeed at Old Trafford. Cocksure arrogance in your ability and a readiness to be daring and bold. Sir Alex Ferguson had it in abundance, so did Ron Atkinson and Tommy Docherty, with Sir Matt Busby’s less obvious swagger borne out by the football which was played by his teams.
So when Ed Woodward and the Glazer family begin their search for the new manager at Old Trafford, Moyes’s successors has to have the charisma to match a winning track record and the obvious candidate would appear to be Jürgen Klopp.
In an ideal world, United would have a three-man shortlist of Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti, but the big beasts of the coaching game are out of reach, having taken on jobs at Bayern Munich, Chelsea and Real Madrid respectively last summer.
Having inspired Borussia Dortmund to two Bundesliga titles and a Champions League final appearances against Bayern last season, Klopp’s credentials are writ large on his CV. The 46-year-old has achieved his success by building a team of youthful flair and exuberance at the Westfalenstadion, developing the likes of Mario Götze at the same time as unearthing talents such as Marco Reus and Robert Lewandowski.
Klopp also handed Shinji Kagawa the chance to build a career in Germany before selling the Japanese midfielder to United two years ago - a move which has yet to bear fruit for a player regarded by many as one of the best creative midfielders in the game.
If United are to pursue Klopp, however, they will face a battle, with Dortmund having handed the former Mainz coach a two-year contract extension last October which will tie him to the club until 2018. But there is a sense that a new challenge may appeal to Klopp, with Bayern disappearing over the horizon in Germany and Lewandowski set to follow Götze to the Allianz Arena this summer.
His team is breaking up at Dortmund and the appeal of another rebuilding job at Old Trafford, for greater financial reward and profile, might just be enough to tempt him to the Premier League. Barcelona, with Tata Martino’s future in doubt, could complicate matters for United if they were to chase Klopp, but the fallen Spanish champions would be just as likely to pursue Roberto Martínez, Brendan Rodgers or Diego Simeone as they would Klopp.
Beyond the Dortmund coach, the list of candidates would appear to carry an element of risk for United. Simeone could guide Atlético Madrid to a La Liga and Champions League double this season and he has become one of the hottest properties in the game. In terms of swagger, the black-suited, Brylcreemed Argentine possesses it in buckets, but his grasp of English is limited and his teams play a style of play which may not appeal to United supporters.
Still, winning football usually quietens any sceptical crowd, so he cannot be discounted. Louis van Gaal is another prominent contender and the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern coach will be a free agent when his stint with Holland ends at the World Cup. Robin van Persie is a huge admirer of Van Gaal, who is also a contender for the Tottenham job, but the Dutchman is an abrasive figure and, despite possessing a glittering CV, is arguably past his best days. And if United go for him, they risk having to wait until mid-July for Van Gaal to start work due to his World Cup commitments and that would leave the club well behind in terms of player acquisition and preparation for the new campaign.
Could Van Gaal go from the World Cup final on July 13 to the start of United’s tour of the United States in the space of three days? Unlikely.
Laurent Blanc will have his backers, but the Moyes experiment may turn the club off another Ferguson disciple. And would he want to leave hugely wealthy Paris Saint-Germain?
Then there is Ryan Giggs, a United icon, but one without the coaching experience to take on such a demanding job.
It has to be Klopp. The Germans ticks all the boxes and he has the arrogance and confidence to succeed where Moyes failed.
 
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