Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund

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It would be amazing if Klopp could make sure that Dortmund gets such a solid foundation that it remains a top team for decades to come. Had you asked me 4-5 years ago whether it was possible to create a new powerhouse without the money-boost frome some filthy rich owner, then my answer would be a resounding; no. But if there's one man who can do it, it's Klopp.

On one hand there's nothing I want more than for him to become our coach. On the other hand, I'm curious about how far he can go with Dortmund. If he can turn them into a new powerhouse, then it's a great victory for football and a huge middle-finger to the likes of Abramovich. I know the United fan in me should dread the possibility of a new powerhouse, but I can't help but seeing the similarities between Fergie and Klopp. It sort of makes me root for Dortmund, even though they are international rivals.
 
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Sphaero said:
LOL. Yeah, going against everything you stand for as a person and leaving a project you worked on for six years to coach a EL team with way less chances of titles seems perfectly plausible...

Saw the thread up and thought that there may some interesting new information, but guess not... just a pissing contest between two undoubtly top coaches, who have done amazing jobs.

In the matter of the rumors for the Barca job or in the EPL: One thing always amuses when it comes to these rumors. There is never a German source. Forget about the halfway reliable sources in terms of Dortmund, even the most rubbish tableloids around the Springer press (BILD, etc.), which normally cling towards any tiny piece of speculative information to break a story report nothing that indicates Klopp leaving Dortmund any time soon. The BILD picked up the news from Spain and shot it down immediately. Its funny that the entire German press (it is a real rarity for all of them to be on the same page) believes in Klopp´s commitment to Dortmund, yet so many treat that as empty words.
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It is simply down to people desperate to have him as their coach.

They don't get that it would be like Madrid thinking of getting Fergie from United by throwing money. Fergie could have asked for all the money in the world from the likes of Roman if he wanted to move away.
 
With Barca reportedly looking at bringing Klopp, how would this potential transfer ban effect things? Surely if it was upheld no manager would want to take on that job. Secondly, would Barca be allowed to change managers?
 
MkPaul said:
With Barca reportedly looking at bringing Klopp, how would this potential transfer ban effect things? Surely if it was upheld no manager would want to take on that job. Secondly, would Barca be allowed to change managers?
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Presumably yes as this isn't a employment ban.
 
If Barca wants Klopp they will get him. There's no way we can compete with them at this stage.
 
MkPaul said:
With Barca reportedly looking at bringing Klopp, how would this potential transfer ban effect things? Surely if it was upheld no manager would want to take on that job. Secondly, would Barca be allowed to change managers?
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Barca have enough talent to last for 2 years (not ideal perhaps, but it's far from doom and gloom) they still have an impressive array of talent from their first team and academy mind you
 
Sky1981 said:
Barca have enough talent to last for 2 years (not ideal perhaps, but it's far from doom and gloom) they still have an impressive array of talent from their first team and academy mind you
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I don't think a manager would be happy with Barca's CB's and GK situation.
 
Sky1981 said:
Probably, but not every year you get a chance to manage Barcelona, and I'm sure the fans would have understand and taken the ban into calculations when they appraise his job
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How many managers have they had over the past 20 years? More than we've had in 70 years. I'd say the allure of Manchester United is much more tempting for a coach who wants to do something special.
 
mariachi-19 said:
How many managers have they had over the past 20 years? More than we've had in 70 years. I'd say the allure of Manchester United is much more tempting for a coach who wants to do something special.
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What special? In what way? I'm not trying to be a pessimist, but loving united and willing to stay for a few decades is not in everyone's blood, even if you happened to find one, it doesn't guarantee that they will remain hungry, not being bored, and consistently winning.

There are reasons why pep left, Mourinho left, Ancelotti (when he's with Milan) left, is that managing the same team for 20+ years is not everyone's cup of tea.

I suspect the board knows about this as well, only us fans are fickle and in denial thinking every manager that comes must be willing to stay for 20+ years. SAF is the "SPECIAL ONE", manchester united policy on recruiting and hiring manager won't be so much different without SAF at the helm. We'll just be another elite team on the block for many manager
 
Sky1981 said:
What special? In what way? I'm not trying to be a pessimist, but loving united and willing to stay for a few decades is not in everyone's blood, even if you happened to find one, it doesn't guarantee that they will remain hungry, not being bored, and consistently winning.

There are reasons why pep left, Mourinho left, Ancelotti (when he's with Milan) left, is that managing the same team for 20+ years is not everyone's cup of tea.

I suspect the board knows about this as well, only us fans are fickle and in denial thinking every manager that comes must be willing to stay for 20+ years. SAF is the "SPECIAL ONE", manchester united policy on recruiting and hiring manager won't be so much different without SAF at the helm. We'll just be another elite team on the block for many manager
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You said the barca job doesn't come up very often which is in fact false. You've got a team with issues that quite frankly are verging on worse then our own, who have a transfer embargo until summer 2015. I'll say right now that unless barca's embargo is removed next season for them will be very much like ours this season. The only difference is the disparity in the Spanish league to 4th and beyond is considerably larger than the top 7 in the pl therefore it won't be as glaringly obvious.

What's special now is that the next manager of United has effectively had all the pressure taken off them with the moyes debacle. A budget that virtually dwarfs all but the sugar daddies bayern and Madrid, considerable pull domestically and internationally and virtually no political bullshit that you'd have to put up with at any other club. It is quite simply a dream job. We just picked the wrong guy.
 
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You said the barca job doesn't come up very often which is in fact false. You've got a team with issues that quite frankly are verging on worse then our own, who have a transfer embargo until summer 2015. I'll say right now that unless barca's embargo is removed next season for them will be very much like ours this season. The only difference is the disparity in the Spanish league to 4th and beyond is considerably larger than the top 7 in the pl therefore it won't be as glaringly obvious.

What's special now is that the next manager of United has effectively had all the pressure taken off them with the moyes debacle. A budget that virtually dwarfs all but the sugar daddies bayern and Madrid, considerable pull domestically and internationally and virtually no political bullshit that you'd have to put up with at any other club. It is quite simply a dream job. We just picked the wrong guy.
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I don't know, if only Moyes wasn't the chosen One, and we just put and ads in the open, what kind of manager would submit their cv and attend our interview.

I guess we will never know eh
 
Sphaero said:
Aside of Lewandowski and maybe Gündogan (recent news indicate a contract extension, though) I see no other key player leaving this summer. Schieber and Friedrich are likely to go, but they are hardly important players. Maybe Sarr and Hofmann to go on loan move (the former more likely than the latter).

So far Ji (Augsburg), Ramos (Berlin) and Sahin (Madrid) are fix. There will definitively come another striker. Most signs point towards the Swiss gem Josip Drmic (Nürnberg) right now. Then there is an apprearant interest in Matthias Ginter from Freiburg with several sources reporting a high likeabitity of the transfer happening. On top of that, I can only see maybe one creative offensive midfielder joining. There is some chatter about a potential loan move by Kagawa, but this is pretty much always there for a year now and not very likely on my book.

In terms of trophies our best bet is like this year the German cup. League title will be unlikely again, unless Bayern Munich screws up. We are now in pot 2 in the CL, so the chances of reaching the KO stages for the third time will be good. From then on, it is a lottery, but I can see us being a promising dark horse again.
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What makes you think Sahin is a fix? Not trying to question you, just a genuine question. Maybe Madrid will want him to return.

Also, why isn't Dortmund looking outside of Bundesliga for a top striker? To me, neither Ramos nor Drmic look like they are good enough to play at the big stage. Replacing Lewa will be tough.
 
DiaboliQue said:
What makes you think Sahin is a fix? Not trying to question you, just a genuine question. Maybe Madrid will want him to return.

Also, why isn't Dortmund looking outside of Bundesliga for a top striker? To me, neither Ramos nor Drmic look like they are good enough to play at the big stage. Replacing Lewa will be tough.
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Dortmund bought him the day after the return leg against Real. He's officially a Dortmund player again in the summer.
 
DiaboliQue said:
What makes you think Sahin is a fix? Not trying to question you, just a genuine question. Maybe Madrid will want him to return.

Also, why isn't Dortmund looking outside of Bundesliga for a top striker? To me, neither Ramos nor Drmic look like they are good enough to play at the big stage. Replacing Lewa will be tough.
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Drnic is very good apparently and Ramos will only be a back-up, they needed one since Schieber evidently isn't good enough for the level they currently play at. They are probably looking outside Germany too, Dzeko seemed like a viable option at one point and since City will probably let him move in the Summer I can see Dortmund as a very probable destination.
 
crappycraperson said:
It is simply down to people desperate to have him as their coach.

They don't get that it would be like Madrid thinking of getting Fergie from United by throwing money. Fergie could have asked for all the money in the world from the likes of Roman if he wanted to move away.
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Exactly! If people are genuine fans of Klopp then surely they realise discussing him as a Moyes replacement is pointless because it would go against everything Klopp is doing in Germany, he loves Dortmund! offering him more money is not going to change that!

I see it similar to a Liverpool fan dreaming about the club signing Rooney :wenger: the two things don't go together and wouldn't happen.
 
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Now kindly stop spamming his name in the Moyes thread.
 
Yeah we won't get him but let's hope the club gives him a call at the very least.
 
People never change their mind. Ever. When someone says something it always happens.
 
Sixpence said:
People never change their mind. Ever. When someone says something it always happens.
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Especially in football, It's unheard of for a manager or player to make an absolute definitive statement about their intentions, end then go back on it a couple of months later, nope, not gonna happen.
 
Sixpence said:
People never change their mind. Ever. When someone says something it always happens.
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Why would he change his mind a few days later though? Few days ago he was linked with Barca and shot it down. What's changed in his life since?
 
Devil may care said:
Especially in football, It's unheard of for a manager or player to make an absolute definitive statement about their intentions, end then go back on it a couple of months later, nope, not gonna happen.
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People never say in programme notes that they aren't thinking about retiring. Then 3 days later, retire. That never happens either.
 
Yeah he's going to come out and say he interested in other jobs. What message does that send out to his club and current players?
 
Bojan11 said:
Yeah he's going to come out and say he interested in other jobs. What message does that send out to his club and current players?
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He turned down Barcelona last summer for christ sake.
 
Lynk said:
He turned down Barcelona last summer for christ sake.
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What does last summer have to do with this summer for Christ sake?

Totally different scenario. Dortmund haven't been their best this season and he might fancy a new challenge.
 
Bojan11 said:
What does last summer have to do with this summer for Christ sake?

Totally different scenario. Dortmund haven't been their best this season and he might fancy a new challenge.
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We're 7th. Barcelona won La Liga last year when he rejected them. Dortmund are second in the Bundesliga and will be in the CL next season for starters.


That and maybe, just maybe he might be committed to his job? God forbid.
 
Bojan11 said:
What does last summer have to do with this summer for Christ sake?

Totally different scenario. Dortmund haven't been their best this season and he might fancy a new challenge.
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Yes indeed. He signed a new contract till 2018 and has a history of honouring his contracts even when he received offers from bigger clubs.
 
If we offer massive compensation to Dortmund and they allow us to approach klopp then who knows... I certainly dont see him resigning or fecking over Dortmund but if it was all amicable then nothing is impossible
 
Klopp strikes me as an extremely loyal man and one who would keep his word. I can't see him leaving for another team in the near future.
 
Lynk said:
He turned down Barcelona last summer for christ sake.
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We'd be more suited to Moyes than they would though, to be fair. He hates tika-taka, slow football and it's ingrained in that club so they wouldn't let him change it. He wouldn't fit in there.

His style of football is what most of our fans aspire to. I don't think we'll get him but we should definitely try.
 
Lynk said:
We're 7th. Barcelona won La Liga last year when he rejected them. Dortmund are second in the Bundesliga and will be in the CL next season for starters.


That and maybe, just maybe he might be committed to his job? God forbid.
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Barcelona called in August. Far too late and he most likely didn't want to leave Dortmund at that time looking for a new manager.
 
An Irish Red said:
We'd be more suited to Moyes than they would though, to be fair. He hates tika-taka, slow, possession football and it's ingrained in that club so they wouldn't let him change it. He wouldn't fit in there.

His style of football is what most of our fans aspire to. I don't think we'll get him but we should definitely try.
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1) We're 7th. Dortmund are in the CL next season.
2) He's a committed man, he turned down a few big offers so far, why would he accept United?
3) He criticized United under Ferguson and paricularly the way Kagawa was utilised. Would the same guy appoint him?


I don't get what there is to argue. It's incredibly unlikely.
 
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