People with memory that goes a bit back would also remember he got Beckham sent off in '98 (not entirely his fault of course but he was the one kicked). But that wouldn't affect him being employed in England, was just an observation.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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People with memory that goes a bit back would also remember he got Beckham sent off in '98 (not entirely his fault of course but he was the one kicked). But that wouldn't affect him being employed in England, was just an observation.
You think winning 7 leagues out of 10 "full" attempts (i.e. excluding half-seasons) is being lucky? Or that is fully explained by having money or the biggest club at their disposal? In which case we must wonder why Chelsea hasn't won every league until 3 seasons ago and City hasn't won the last three...
Mourinho's consistency is unmatched. Guardiola probably will match it, and a few young exciting managers around like Klopp and Simeone have every right to claim being in the top, but to dismiss Mourinho and Pep is ridiculous. "Lucky". People must think that real life football is like playing FM, in which as long as you got the money to buy the players you always win.
It's not hard to imagine, and could happen. But it wouldn't be a natural fit, in the way, say, Rudi Garcia or Frank de Boer would be. It would be a radical change (vs the last 6 years).
As an Irishman I cheered when he did that..wouldnt bother me. Him needing english lessons would bother me unless of course he brought half of La Liga with him then it wouldnt matter.
Neither can Pochettino to be fair.
Simeone has also been in teams (as a player) that have won trophies. Whatever he learned back then is clearly paying off now.
His passion is also a big plus. I think he should be the next Manchester United. Would be a great fit.
And no one would blame you. But some English fans may not have let go! As long as he brought success and longevity I wouldn't give a flying hoot.
Tony Pulis must be up there with the best in the world then surely?
How successful have Barcelona been without Guardiola?
How successful have Inter, Porto or Chelsea been without Mourinho.
Nowhere fecking near as good as they were with them, that's for sure. Would they have won what they did with Crystal Palace? No they wouldn't. But plenty of other normal good managers have tried to follow them at their clubs (Villanova, Martino, Benitez, Scolari, Vilas-Boas, Ancelotti) and none have come close to replicating their success. So apparently it's not that easy to just stroll into a top side and win everything, else Chelsea, Inter, Porto and Barcelona wouldn't be so much worse without those two than they were with them.
So you have to manage in other countries before you can be considered great?
No, you need to win European Trophies.
Klopp's brilliant so I don't particularly enjoy diminishing his achievements because I'd love to have him here at United. That said, plenty of smaller clubs have won the Bundesliga (Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, Werder Breman, Kaiserslautern) when you have a league where there's one superpower and then a load of teams on a similar level then lots of random clubs will win the league when Bayern slip up. Which is essentially what happens in the Bundesliga. Bayern win most of the time, occassionally they're in transition or hire a duff manager and someone else wins. That doesn't make Felix Magath the best manager in the world, just like it didn't for Thomas Schaaf (Breman) or Armin Veh (Stuttgart).
There's also been plenty of other smaller clubs to make UCL finals too (Valencia, Porto, Monaco). Him getting there was a fantastic achievement no doubt, but Hector Cuper wasn't the best manager in the world when he took Valencia there and neither was Deschamps when he did the same for Monaco.
Pochettino has good English.
Forget the fans. I'd be astonished if the media weren't after his guts from Day 1 just because of it.
I did not say that they are not good managers, but their reputation is inflated by factors far removed from their personal contributions. Mourinho has won several league titles but most of them were to be expected. For example, the Chelsea taken over by Mourinho, and a thousand times more importantly by a Russian billionaire, were not a weak team (like the City taken over by the Arabs) they finished 2nd under Ranieri and subsequently Roman bankrolled a massive spending spree that duly raised them to the top. Man City have been facing a much more crowded market place and league table, and no one can say that they have been doing badly. With Inter it was easy win in Italy back then, his success was the CL of 2010, which was the reason why Real Madrid brought him to the Bernabeu, where he utterly failed. He is now doing relatively well with Chelsea, still one of the biggest spenders in world football.
Fair enough, I thought he couldn't speak English as he has all of his interviews translated.
Pochettino can speak english he is just shy about it apparently. Didnt you see the one press conference he spoke fluent enough english in?
Think he just doesn't want his words twisted. Think he speaks to the players in English iirc.
Pochettino doesn't want the English press to twist his words.
I haven't. Although I would imagine he learnt English recently.
It really depends what kind of football you want us to play. Simeone predominantly favours an extremely compact, counterattacking 4-4-2 system, which ends up looking more like a 4-4-2-0 because they sit so deep. It is relentless pressing in midfield, and extremely direct when they get the ball. Basically, the ultimate underdog football. It's obviously very effective, and would probably translate well to the Premier League, but would be a big change for those who expect us to be dominating the ball in most games.
Klopp's style is not as extreme as Simeone's, but is obviously also direct and energetic. Either manager would certainly turn us into a side nobody looks forward to playing against.
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It seems to me that you are reducing the explanation of football results down to a single factor, the manager. Pep left Barcelona, but that is not the only change that occurred in that club and in Spanish/European football in general. Key players got older and more complacent, Messi became a bit of a primadona, transfers were bad, opponents learned the style of play inside out, and other clubs got stronger (Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and now Atletico)
My point is that there are too many factors involved, too difficult to gauge, to reduce everything to the managers involved. Inter for example had an ageing squad which they completely failed to renew, Mourinho leaving was hardly their biggest problem.
Yeah what this guy said.
He has no problems at all with his speech the cheeky bugger.Its the only the second season without Guardiola and in the first (under Tito) they made the semis of the CL and won La Liga without a manager for most of the season: which was fairly routine under Pep. We still don't know what could or couldn't happen this season, as it is so far they could win the Copa Del Rey or perhaps the League (less likely).
Yes its clear as day that they are in a decline but how much of that is to do with the players that were key members of the successful 09-11 years during their relentless pressing system? Xavi is approaching 35 and Iniesta 30. Puyol is completely finished now and Dani Alves is approaching 30 and isn't near what he was a few years ago when they bought him. The club as a whole hasn't invested properly and reinforced the makeshift/aging defence and it could get even worse with the upcoming transfer ban for two windows. Undoubtedly they were better under Pep but they have and will be successful without him.
With regards to Chelsea, remember that it was due to the team fecking up under him that led to his sacking in the 07/08 season after poor results. We can't act like Chelsea hasn't been successful without Mourinho. Look at their trophy cabinet since he left in 2008. They have won loads without him (especially that season under Ancelotti which was brilliant). With regards to Inter, that really was a one season wonder team full of aging players who Mourinho got the absolutely last drop out of which is a poor situation to judge. It was a brilliant season by Mourinho but a last, last push from a not amazing squad which led to that treble.
Maybe a bit off topic, but I just realised that Dortmund winning 3-0 was the first time that one of peps teams have been hammered.
Yes his heaviest ever defeat as a football manager. It was a dead rubber though.
Hardly "absolute bollocks". The job he's done at Dortmund has been incredible.
We should get rid of Moyes and give a young manager with potential a chance for two years, until one of Klopp/Simeone/Mourinho/Ancelotti become available. We aren't going to get any of them this season I reckon.
Best case scenario: the young manager, e.g. Pocchetino, is a huge success and we don't need to appoint, worst case he fails and we get to appoint a new manager of the previously named, one of whom will then be available. The important thing is to at least take the chance of getting a potentially great manager in if we are to have a few barren years. Not stick with someone who quite frankly seems to be a loser.
Best case scenario: the young manager, e.g. Pocchetino, is a huge success and we don't need to appoint, worst case he fails and we get to appoint a new manager of the previously named, one of whom will then be available. The important thing is to at least take the chance of getting a potentially great manager in if we are to have a few barren years. Not stick with someone who quite frankly seems to be a loser.
I definitely think that Barcelona are going to approach a new direction in their style of play soon. The tiki-taka is getting a bit stale for them now.
The Mirror is linking us with Klopp:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-eye-jurgen-klopp-3414806
(Cheers to Ibby_786)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-eye-jurgen-klopp-3414806
(Cheers to Ibby_786)
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They reported that we met with van Gaal last week too.
Yeah, but now we like the news!
I think they'll keep the fundamental tiki-taka approach, but someone like Klopp would perhaps try to bring a new, more direct approach to it.
Dare I say it's on? In the middle of April?
"Dear F5-button
It was nice knowing you.
Sincerely Mad Winger"
The Sun linking him with the Tottenham job. Levy is keen on him!
Looking at the morning papers, it looks like the tabloids are reporting even more shite than usual tomorrow. I think the Sun were saying Spurs were after Klopp (why on earth would he go there?) and another had Liverpool making a £38 million offer for Barkley.
Since people are on about Barca, in the final against us in 2009, according to Sky Sports they only had 52.7% of the ball.
The 2009 stat might be surprising but Klopp could go to Barca, having say on average 60% possession and still not compromise their philosophy too much. Not convinced they'd necessarily fit but I think he's intelligent enough to get the right balance of what he wants and what's expected from the club.
The 2009 stat might be surprising but Klopp could go to Barca, having say on average 60% possession and still not compromise their philosophy too much. Not convinced they'd necessarily fit but I think he's intelligent enough to get the right balance of what he wants and what's expected from the club.
LOL. Yeah, going against everything you stand for as a person and leaving a project you worked on for six years to coach a EL team with way less chances of titles seems perfectly plausible...
Saw the thread up and thought that there may some interesting new information, but guess not... just a pissing contest between two undoubtly top coaches, who have done amazing jobs.
In the matter of the rumors for the Barca job or in the EPL: One thing always amuses when it comes to these rumors. There is never a German source. Forget about the halfway reliable sources in terms of Dortmund, even the most rubbish tableloids around the Springer press (BILD, etc.), which normally cling towards any tiny piece of speculative information to break a story report nothing that indicates Klopp leaving Dortmund any time soon. The BILD picked up the news from Spain and shot it down immediately. Its funny that the entire German press (it is a real rarity for all of them to be on the same page) believes in Klopp´s commitment to Dortmund, yet so many treat that as empty words.
What do you think dortmunds business will be like in the summer? Do you think more players will be brought in, or do you think it will be bad in terms of losing more star and key players? Do you think it will be possible to challenge for trophies next year?
And I was enjoying believing the Mirror there
I really do think he will see out his contract, unless the situation becomes extremely difficult and it becomes impossible for him to build a team because they have to keep selling. That would be too frusterating for anyone imo, but right now it doesn't seem like that.And I was enjoying believing the Mirror there
Aside of Lewandowski and maybe Gündogan (recent news indicate a contract extension, though) I see no other key player leaving this summer. Schieber and Friedrich are likely to go, but they are hardly important players. Maybe Sarr and Hofmann to go on loan move (the former more likely than the latter).
So far Ji (Augsburg), Ramos (Berlin) and Sahin (Madrid) are fix. There will definitively come another striker. Most signs point towards the Swiss gem Josip Drmic (Nürnberg) right now. Then there is an apprearant interest in Matthias Ginter from Freiburg with several sources reporting a high likeabitity of the transfer happening. On top of that, I can only see maybe one creative offensive midfielder joining. There is some chatter about a potential loan move by Kagawa, but this is pretty much always there for a year now and not very likely on my book.
In terms of trophies our best bet is like this year the German cup. League title will be unlikely again, unless Bayern Munich screws up. We are now in pot 2 in the CL, so the chances of reaching the KO stages for the third time will be good. From then on, it is a lottery, but I can see us being a promising dark horse again.
In fairness with these links to english clubs, all the papers seem to be saying is "he's the prime target", which is essentially a truism as he's the most sought after manager around right now. "Levy wants Klopp", well of course he does, he also wants to lure Gareth Bale back to Spurs with a ripe bunch of bananas purely so that he can rinse Madrid again but it doesn't make it newsworthy.
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